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Jan 24 2011 21:19
Bilderberg 2011

Hi everyone, I am 24 years old and have just recently discovered within the last 2 years of my life how fucked up our planet is. I am not a member of any activist group but am seriously considering it.

What first caught my attention and turned me from being an ignorant law abiding corporate slave to an awoken, angry and worried wannabe activist was the Bilderberg group.
This group is formed of the worlds elite, politicians, media and CEO's for the worlds largest corporations & banks and they hold yearly meetings all around the world and for the last 40 years have managed to do so in complete secrecy.
<(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants)>

This is where I think our societies fate is being decided, manipulated, controlled and priced. I have heard rumors that they might be planning on holding talks in the UK in 2011, this would be the first time since 1998 in Scotland.
Due to increased awareness of the group its unlikely they will use the UK again for its meetings but if they do I beg you to join us in protest , we share a common cause against these globalist, capitalist, elitist scum and need to show them we know their plans, we know their agenda and we DO NOT support it, we will do our best to sabotage and destroy it.

Its depressing to think about how they have such a massive head-start to us, they have molded us human beings into a society thats so unfair, wrong and just plain stupid. Its shocking how media, tv, entertainment etc manages to distract so many from the real issues in life.
I hope in my life time to witness a revolution against these powers and I`ll be damned if I didnt do my fair share.

What can be done to sabotage a group such as this?

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Jan 24 2011 22:46

I don't think much of whats said about the Bilderbergs is true. That said, associating the injustices and consumerism of capitalism with the machinations of individuals with immense wealth is anti-materialist; it is counter to a materialist conception of history. Feudalism, slavery, 'Asiatic' despotism, these were all exploitative, brutal modes of production; groups of the wealthiest and most powerful men didn't sit in a private room and decide the change from slavery to feudalism or feudalism to capitalism. They did not decide to create dehumanizing, atomizing, alienating forms of substinence or the organization of class society of different epochs.

Instead of focusing on the negative, liberal "we have to have a revolution against them" you should be focusing on a positive "we need a revolution for us".

Most anti-NWO groups I'm aware of are either noticably unbalanced (Reptilian shapeshifting Illuminati) or breaking the scale of reactionary ideology ('Jewish Bolshevism', etc).

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Jan 24 2011 23:43

I love the fact that you think that this has been done in 'complete secrecy' while linking to a wikipedia page. Anything that can be googled instantly is not secret.

The rich rule the world (within the constraints of capital/economic forces) and meetings where they all get together will have an element of that but it's hardly a secret conspiracy, it's just logical. I'd echo the statements above. We are looking to change the world because the way it is organised is wrong, the logic of conspiracies is that it is a secret group responsible for the problems rather than the system itself.

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Jan 25 2011 01:59
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devoration1 wrote:
Instead of focusing on the negative, liberal "we have to have a revolution against them" you should be focusing on a positive "we need a revolution for us".

What? Are you serious? How is recognising that capitalists exist anti-materialist?

I certainly cannot speak for Dev1 but I think his claim of the op's viewpoint as being anti-materialist comes more from what is implied in statements like this:

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Its depressing to think about how they have such a massive head-start to us, they have molded us human beings into a society thats so unfair, wrong and just plain stupid.

Certainly, the ruling class "manages" society but they did not mold "us" (presumably the working class). Capitalism did not come about from the heads of would-be capitalists.

So yes, while it is true that the ruling class conspires amongst itself (and against itself!) this fact alone itself isn't something very interesting. The elimination of every "capitalist" wouldn't end capitalism.

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Jan 25 2011 03:51
UNLiMiTED wrote:
I am not a member of any activist group but am seriously considering it.

I am taking the piss a bit here and do so out of love... I would hate for you to be offended by it and use that as a reason to discontinue learning or discovering or fighting etc.

But I wonder if you frown when you seriously consider joining an activist group? I wonder if your activism will rely on your continued membership in a "group"? If it isn't cool or emotionally rewarding will your activism continue?

Im not suggesting that it won't. Im merely pointing out that there can be "seriously" difficult obstacles to becoming or continuing to be "active", and these are often very indirectly related to external forces outside of activism and its communities, and much more directly related purely to how you relate to yourself and the other activists around you. Activists can be a nasty bunch just like wombats and politicians. Are a few nasty comments or ego slaps or disagreements going to render you "inactive". If you are aware of what these obstacles may possibly be and can be prepared for them, then your contiued "activity" is far more likely, hence the likelihood of its being effective to some degree.

My advice in never consider anything too seriously. There is no govenor. For example I would like to one day enjoy chilli crabs... in the meantime my tastebuds do not allow it... but I am still eating!!!!!

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Jan 25 2011 06:44

"I love the fact that you think that this has been done in 'complete secrecy' while linking to a wikipedia page. Anything that can be googled instantly is not secret."

Sorry I should have included some more information as you apparently dont know much about the topic; They have managed to have secret meetings from 1954 until the late 90's.

"So yes, while it is true that the ruling class conspires amongst itself (and against itself!) this fact alone itself isn't something very interesting. The elimination of every "capitalist" wouldn't end capitalism."

It would however weaken capitalist grip on society and make it easier to break free.

"But I wonder if you frown when you seriously consider joining an activist group? I wonder if your activism will rely on your continued membership in a "group"? If it isn't cool or emotionally rewarding will your activism continue?"

I think it would be nice to share a common goal with a group of people and yes I hope it would be emotionally rewarding.
I dont know how to answer the rest of your question as per now its simple speculation but I dont think I will be rendered inactive by a few comments, no : )

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Jan 25 2011 14:21
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I dont know how to answer the rest of your question as per now its simple speculation but I dont think I will be rendered inactive by a few comments, no : )

I suppose I'm trying to light heartedly cajole you into becoming active so your speculation can transcend into experimentation. Your passion and curiosity appear real through this screen...

Fuck the Bilderbergers and build a burger from confiscated capital. Steal some meat or better yet reclaim some land and own the product of your labour and grow some veges and build a burger (bread is in my experience by far the easiest capital to reclaim - usually from designated waste disposal areas).

Meet secretly with some black ops gardeners and show those bulldabuggers whose boss!!!

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Jan 25 2011 18:15
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What? Are you serious? How is recognising that capitalists exist anti-materialist?

I meant his overall analysis of capitalism- that it is a conspiracy of malevolent individuals. That is anti-materialist. Sheldon explained it well.

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Tommy Ascaso wrote:

What? Are you serious? How is recognising that capitalists exist anti-materialist?

I meant his overall analysis of capitalism- that it is a conspiracy of malevolent individuals. That is anti-materialist. Sheldon explained it well.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I didnt intend in any way to analyze capitalism however I am very confident that there is a conspiracy involving big business pulling the strings globally and malevolently.

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I suppose I'm trying to light heartedly cajole you into becoming active so your speculation can transcend into experimentation. Your passion and curiosity appear real through this screen...

: ) I suppose I should thank you hehehe

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Certainly, the ruling class "manages" society but they did not mold "us" (presumably the working class). Capitalism did not come about from the heads of would-be capitalists.

This I completely disagree with, take religion as an excellent example of people in power changing our way of thinking, thats not simply managing!
Molding has occurred over the years since the first civilizations in Mesopotamia and Babylonia into accepting the type of society we now have.
I do not think for one moment that where it not for these people in control our society would have unraveled they way it has.

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Jan 25 2011 19:32
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This I completely disagree with, take religion as an excellent example of people in power changing our way of thinking, thats not simply managing!
Molding has occurred over the years since the first civilizations in Mesopotamia and Babylonia into accepting the type of society we now have.
I do not think for one moment that where it not for these people in control our society would have unraveled they way it has.

I don't think it's as Machiavellian as you make it out to be, especially in more recent times where there are simply to many variables for a small ruling elite group like the bilderberg to have total control. (Think about the recent B.P Oil leak in the gulf, that's a major fuck up that simply wouldn't happen if the Ruling elite were as clever as you say they are)
It is definetley possible to manipulate certain sections of society for a certain amount of time and of course it happens all the time. But dictators, corporations etc rise and fall all the time and not always to other ruling elites. If there is a conspiracy then it is capitalism itself, a system that gives the winners greater power in order to consolidate their winnings and preserve the status-quo, thus giving the impression that a Bilderberg-esque group controls the world

As you say in your OP capitalist society is pretty horrible. But i think it would be 100x worse if we were being molded as you put it. Above all it is a very disempowering line of thought, what chance to we have against such omnipotence?

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Jan 25 2011 20:25

Good post Sir Arthur
I think its very possible that the worlds largest corporations are ruling and have been ruling our world for a very long time. I believe that capitalism is just a new source of slavery created to further their agenda of control.
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possible to manipulate certain sections of society for a certain amount of time and of course it happens all the time. But dictators, corporations etc rise and fall all the time and not always to other ruling elites.

I would like to just mention one family; The Rothschild.
This is the holy grail of conspiracies and a disgustingly wealthy family, I dont believe everything I see online however you just have to do a quick google search on "Rothschild wealth" to get an understanding of their wealth and power. (impossible to get accurate figures but believed to be between 300-500 trillion USD)
This family alone has on several occasions created and destroyed companies and dictators, I would suggest doing some research into them should you wish to confirm this.

A few quotes from this family:
Mayer Amschel Rothschild
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."

Dictators and corporations are easily controlled by those who have power and wealth, if they dont follow suit then they can easily be crushed.
We loved Saddam when he invaded Iran, we didnt when he objected to US/Kuwait drilling their oil reserves through slant drilling. How many Latin American revolutionaries have been assassinated and replaced by puppet regimes favoring big business.
Lets bring it up a notch and look at JFK, this speech to ANPA (1961)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYfeYhQ9eU
This speech was supposedly after JFK was invited to Bilderberg (and attended) in 1960 that took place from May 28-29 at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland. 2 years later he was killed by a lone gun man in a library who miraculously managed to fire several shots within a tiny amount of time and extremely limited view.

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Above all it is a very disempowering line of thought, what chance to we have against such omnipotence?

I am thinking the opposite, a handful of powerful people with lots of money means nothing when we finally decide to ditch a monetary based system.

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Jan 25 2011 21:32
UNLiMiTED wrote:
Good post Sir Arthur
I think its very possible that the worlds largest corporations are ruling and have been ruling our world for a very long time. I believe that capitalism is just a new source of slavery created to further their agenda of control.
When you say:
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possible to manipulate certain sections of society for a certain amount of time and of course it happens all the time. But dictators, corporations etc rise and fall all the time and not always to other ruling elites.

I would like to just mention one family; The Rothschild.
This is the holy grail of conspiracies and a disgustingly wealthy family, I dont believe everything I see online however you just have to do a quick google search on "Rothschild wealth" to get an understanding of their wealth and power. (impossible to get accurate figures but believed to be between 300-500 trillion USD)
This family alone has on several occasions created and destroyed companies and dictators, I would suggest doing some research into them should you wish to confirm this.

A few quotes from this family:
Mayer Amschel Rothschild
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."

Dictators and corporations are easily controlled by those who have power and wealth, if they dont follow suit then they can easily be crushed.
We loved Saddam when he invaded Iran, we didnt when he objected to US/Kuwait drilling their oil reserves through slant drilling. How many Latin American revolutionaries have been assassinated and replaced by puppet regimes favoring big business.
Lets bring it up a notch and look at JFK, this speech to ANPA (1961)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYfeYhQ9eU
This speech was supposedly after JFK was invited to Bilderberg (and attended) in 1960 that took place from May 28-29 at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland. 2 years later he was killed by a lone gun man in a library who miraculously managed to fire several shots within a tiny amount of time and extremely limited view.

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Above all it is a very disempowering line of thought, what chance to we have against such omnipotence?

I am thinking the opposite, a handful of powerful people with lots of money means nothing when we finally decide to ditch a monetary based system.

Unlimited, you seem like a goodhearted fella and you clearly want to change things for the better. However, as others have pointed out, your analysis of capitalism and power is way off. This misunderstanding is relatively common, but pernicious because it affects the ways you and others can confront real conditions and struggle for a better world.

Firstly, not to quibble, but its impossible that one family could control '300-500 trillion USD' since the total estimated global GDP is only around $58 trillion right now. Also, there are real and important differences between the ways that capitalism functions and the way that slavery functions. The two are not reducible to each other. You need to get your head around these issues if you aim to analyze something as large and complex as the world capitalist system.

Secondly, the JFK assassination is an interesting episode, but speculation about who did it and why is takes up a lot of energy that could be better spent examining the structural tendencies of capitalism and the state or, better yet, actually organizing and struggling with fellow workers or folks in your community.

Lastly, and most importantly, your conspiracy theory worldview is just plain illogical and flawed. Just think about the political consequences of your Rothschild theory. You are arguing that a shadowy cabal of international financiers are working behind the scenes for a hidden agenda bent on destroying nations and economies, with the ultimate goal of world domination.

Beyond the fact that the Rothschilds are of Jewish descent, your argument is structurally antisemitic, whether you intend it or not. Because capitalism is such a vast and complex system, it is easy to on analyses that personify certain of its tendencies and equate its destructive dynamics with particular social groups. But this is fundamentally false and leads to dangerous politics.

The demonization of international, parasitic, finance capital and the lionization of national, productive, industrial capital has a long and bloody history. I'm not saying that you're doing this, but this stance follows from your personification of financial capital in the form of shadowy conspirators.

This tendency to equate the evils of capitalism to Jews and bankers led 19th century socialists to declare that, "Antisemitism is the socialism of fools."

No offense, but 'Zeitgeist'-style, 9/11-truth, Bilderberg, NWO conspiracism is the socialism of fools for the 21st century. And you won't find any sympathy for those views around here.

Start reading through the articles and history works on this website. You'll find some great analyses of capital and the state and excellent histories of how people all over the world have fought back in meaningful and exemplary ways. It will be worth it!

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a lone gun man in a library who miraculously managed to fire several shots within a tiny amount of time and extremely limited view.

no, he had a perfectly good view (i've been there) and it has been demonstrated endlessly that a good marksman could easily shoot those bullets in that time. nothing miraculous about it.

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Jan 25 2011 21:41

Thanks Schwarz, all you guys seem like an interesting bunch and I am glad I found this site. I will be having a look at the history section and think I will be regularly viewing this forum to further my ideas. Again Thanks : )

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Please dont think that I am antisemitic that is not at all what I meant and I hope/think that this is not the impression I gave.

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Jan 25 2011 21:55
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a lone gun man in a library who miraculously managed to fire several shots within a tiny amount of time and extremely limited view.

no, he had a perfectly good view (i've been there) and it has been demonstrated endlessly that a good marksman could easily shoot those bullets in that time. nothing miraculous about it.

Somehow I doubt a Trot would possess that kind of skill.

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a lone gun man in a library who miraculously managed to fire several shots within a tiny amount of time and extremely limited view.

no, he had a perfectly good view (i've been there) and it has been demonstrated endlessly that a good marksman could easily shoot those bullets in that time. nothing miraculous about it.

Somehow I doubt a Trot would possess that kind of skill.

Obviously they'd be shocked to not be firing upon someone with evolutionary politics but I'm sure they wouldn't let that put them off.

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Please dont think that I am antisemitic that is not at all what I meant and I hope/think that this is not the impression I gave.

I don't think anyone is accusing you of that, its just that most conspiracy theories have their roots in old antisemitic ideas, especially the NWO based stuff, which is why it was said that your argument was "structurally antisemitic", meaning that although what you're saying is not overtly antisemitic, the structural form is exactly the same as the antisemitic one.

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As to JFK and the magic bullet, a bunch of physicists 'proved' it was possible (don't remember seeing any peer reviews though) why the fuck they spent so much time examining whether this was possible, I don't know. Even if JFK murder was a conspiracy, so what?

Rich and powerful people do conspire to increase their wealth, power and influence. But they do this at each others expense as well as ours. The abolishment of money can only occur with the total transformation of human social relations, as money is an institutional form of the current social relations. It is not some racket or trickery by conspiracitoral families of super rich magicians.

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Jan 28 2011 18:10
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that your argument was "structurally antisemitic", meaning that although what you're saying is not overtly antisemitic, the structural form is exactly the same as the antisemitic one.

If you don't want to accuse someone of being antisemitic then its probably best not to use a word which includes the word 'antisemitic'. Antisemitism may well be structurally conspiratorial but it doesn't follow that all conspiracy theories inevitably fall into antisemitism. That doesn't mean they aren't wrong though.

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I don't think anyone is accusing you of that, its just that most conspiracy theories have their roots in old antisemitic ideas, especially the NWO based stuff, which is why it was said that your argument was "structurally antisemitic", meaning that although what you're saying is not overtly antisemitic, the structural form is exactly the same as the antisemitic one.

Well thats a great excuse they can use then, doesnt stop me seeing through it
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I see a lot of people saying this is nonsense but not actually backing up their own statements with anything at all.

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no, he had a perfectly good view (i've been there) and it has been demonstrated endlessly that a good marksman could easily shoot those bullets in that time. nothing miraculous about it.

LOL thats just plain ignorant man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRIE7G2Bc64&feature=related
(from 15 mins to 20 mins in video shows how absurd your statement is)

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LOL thats just plain ignorant man

right, a youtube video with conspiracy nuts is far more reliable. sorry.

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(from 15 mins to 20 mins in video shows how absurd your statement is)

there are only 14 minutes in that video. i guess the incriminating parts have miraculously been removed.

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I see a lot of people saying this is nonsense but not actually backing up their own statements with anything at all.

The backup:

Marx: Capital

You are basing your views on how the world works on short video clips and dubious information compiled by conspiracy theory websites. This website has a very large library; if you want to learn how the world actually works instead of accepting at face value wild theories posted on the internet, it takes patience and a will to learn. Political economy, historical materialism, the history of the workers movement, the revolutionary tendencies and theories of the last 200 years- it's a very big topic. A few links and overarching statements aren't enough to compile the hisotry, theory, study and experience of the labor movement on a discussion forum, and convince you it's more correct than what you've posted.

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there are only 14 minutes in that video. i guess the incriminating parts have miraculously been removed.

Perhaps rather then watching how long it is you should have actually watched it.
Shows how hard it would be to fire 3 shots within 6.3 seconds with rubbish rifle and a moving target let alone get a head-shot. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia confirmed it could not be done.
Of course, sergeant Carlos Hathcock was only the most famous American military sniper in history, credited with a confirmed 93 kills. But apologists for a lone assassin, who continue to enjoy mainstream media sponsorship 40 years later, continue to argue that an average shooter like Oswald, using a decrepit, war surplus weapon, could have killed Kennedy.
Case closed.

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You are basing your views on how the world works on short video clips and dubious information compiled by conspiracy theory websites. This website has a very large library; if you want to learn how the world actually works instead of accepting at face value wild theories posted on the internet, it takes patience and a will to learn. Political economy, historical materialism, the history of the workers movement, the revolutionary tendencies and theories of the last 200 years- it's a very big topic. A few links and overarching statements aren't enough to compile the hisotry, theory, study and experience of the labor movement on a discussion forum, and convince you it's more correct than what you've posted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/charlie-skelton-bilderblog
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/what-are-the-bilderberg-group-really-doing-in-spain-1991021.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iUiugzGjlU

Mayor news paper and media.
This isnt just a few dodgy websites where I have gathered this information, however even the information on those websites fits in to reality rather well.
Sometimes you dont need concrete proof to understand something, like 9/11 I understand that that was not caused by airplanes, I understand that USA didnt invade Afghanistan to catch Osama and then suddenly realize Afghanistan has over 3 trillion bucks worth of minerals and can produce billions worth of opium to convert into heroin. Its not all in the open for us to see, but if you really look you can start to see it.
I am still very much unconvinced

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Jan 29 2011 11:40

The thing is, so what? It's like people desperate to prove 9-11 was an 'inside job' as if that changes anything. We know the ruling class are perfectly prepared to resort to murder to pursue their ends - they maintain standing armies for the purpose. We also know they're prepared to do this to 'their own people' whenever it's judged necessary (from what's happening overtly in Egypt now to COINTELPRO, the Bologna railway station bombing etc). What most strikes me about conspiracy theories is how utterly inconsequential they are. Say you're right: what changes?

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Say you're right: what changes?

I want it to spread because I think/hope it will cause an up rise of the people against the ruling class and just like in Egypt perhaps the police and military will start siding with the people vs tyranny once shit hits the fan.
We are already seeing an increased awareness thank to Wikileaks and social websites, this will only get stronger and make the truth harder to hide (Just hope we dont get internet 2.0 before). We are in a time of increased political awareness and this is worrying the big players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDBlABD01U0&feature=player_embedded

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Well I don't think people 'waking up' to some new theory of an assassination half a century ago is likely to change anything. Wasn't there that poll showing 40%+ of New Yorkers thinking the government was implicated in 9-11? I'm pretty much aping Chomsky here, conspiracy theories being the opposite of structural analysis: the enemy isn't bad people with malign intent, exposure of whom would change the system. Rather it's the hierarchical and exploitative structure of society which cannot be shaken by 'the truth' but only by collective struggles.

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Jan 29 2011 12:11

Going back to a post up the top:

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Firstly, not to quibble, but its impossible that one family could control '300-500 trillion USD' since the total estimated global GDP is only around $58 trillion right now.

700 TRILLION..that is what the estimate is for global derivatives.
http://dailyreckoning.com/cast-of-characters/
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-700-trillion-elephant-room-theres
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/10/stock-market-time-bomb/

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Jan 29 2011 13:14

You're right to a very small extent - members of the ruling class do get together, at Bilderberg, at the WEF, at all manner of formal and informal events. They do discuss and subsequently enact various policies and so on. But so what?

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I want it to spread because I think/hope it will cause an up rise of the people against the ruling class

I think this shows where you're missing the point. It's not the ruling class I want to get rid of, it's capitalism.

Say the Rothschild family were wiped out of existence right now. Even buying the conspiracy theories about them what fundamental difference would this make? Would it effect capitalism in any form other than surface phenomena?

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I think this shows where you're missing the point. It's not the ruling class I want to get rid of, it's capitalism.

I think that capitalism only serves the rich ruling class, if we get rid of the ruling class then capitalism would also be removed as a consequence.
Understanding what humanity really needs is resources and resources are in abundance. We have enough to feed, shelter and care for everyone on this planet, we have the facilities, science & technology we just dont put it to good use because of capitalism and the way our financial market is designed.
At the moment we are depleting our resources quicker then they are being replenished and there are several ideas and theories as to how we can stop wasting precious resources and makes use of resources with infinite capabilities like solar, geothermal, wind etc etc. We are and have been investing time and resources into things that we dont need and that serves no real purpose, imagine what we could create if we channeled that creativity into new ideas that will actually serve us and our planet.

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Would it effect capitalism in any form other than surface phenomena?

I would see it as a chain reaction that needs to start with removing the root cause be it capitalism itself or the people who implement/defend its use.
It would be very impossible to fight capitalism without fighting the ruling class and corporations who would vigorously defend it.
I think removing the people who enforce and gain from capitalism would be easier and have a speedier impact then trying to change capitalism itself. Once people understand that there can be equality and an alternative system then capitalism will die and the best way to do is to highlight the inequality we currently have thanks to the ruling class.

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Jan 29 2011 14:07

Its a bit like how you assassinate a monarch, and then feudalism collapses, yeah?