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Seta
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Dec 20 2004 13:28
Bit Torrent Shutdown

In the past day, a program called Bit Torrent [owns about 1/3 of the bandwidth of the entire internet, various news articles have proclaimed] has had associated websites shut down. BT was an innovative P2P program that was used to share anything. I used it mainly for music. However, this didn't mean I never bought music - in fact, I bought more than most people I knew, as did many other people from various e-communities I was a member of through BT. I helped mod a small section of a website Punk Torrents, which has been closed down [hopefully temporarily], leaving 30000 odd people in the lurch.

This is pretty much all down to organisations such as the MPAA, the RIAA, and other international counterparts flexing their ever-present muscles. The program is ingenious, and we can't just stand back and watch all these communities fade and die. We need to make a stand! If enough people are interested, I think we could pool ideas, hold a protest somewhere important, and hopefully make an impact of the BT Armageddon!

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Dec 20 2004 23:58

yes, who owns the internet (or rather the ISPs) is quite interesting. I worked for an organisation that bought out Demon and found out some really interesting stuff (political) when we arrived unannounced before they got to delete anything. Unforunatley, I never got to copy anything. Now owned by a 'respectable' corp.

Should be slightly more specific (but not much). They were associated with M Thatcher & that corrupt lady councillor/mayor in London (can't recall her name right now) had been raising money on a database for the tories (plus lots of other stuff I can't post).

Intrigue...

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Dec 21 2004 16:27

Protesting that BT is being shut down is as useless as protesting that Napster was going down (and returning as a pay service). The issue is filesharing, not individual programs.

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Dec 21 2004 16:38

Yeah and bittorrent itself hasn't actually stopped working right? In fact I'm testing it now and it works fine. Software patents are a lot more worrying.

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Dec 21 2004 17:41

Yeah obviously this sucks loads... but i dont think you can protest about it any effective way without targetting the american agencies responsible for it and others targetting filesharing...

Mike Harman
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Dec 21 2004 18:17

Joe, Dame Shirley Porter?

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Dec 21 2004 19:01

it's a simple fact that the majority of filesharers buy as much (or more) music as your average consumer. the issue for many filesharers is simply the corporate monopoly over music and other ideas. i'd be willing to protest, but without numbers we're nothing.

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Dec 21 2004 19:11

I dont buy any music... its a waste of money considering how much goes to the artists.... and anyway art as a profession sucks tongue

Joe Hill
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Dec 21 2004 21:54

Catch, yes that's the one. Fundraising database had people like chairman of P&O (the one I remember) on it. They were also hosting groups like the irps and islamic sites and monitoring. All over now, but was there.

HQ was North Finchley - ring any bells? I was there a few times and they had filipino girls serving tea & buns.

I think they now run redbus if it still exists. Clive somebody or other I think and cohorts.

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Dec 21 2004 23:52

well they didn't shut down at least one site with asian torrents, so my downloads are still fine. to be honest, it's not as if it makes much difference. soulseek is better for music anyway, and if it all gets completely fucked there's always emule. it only takes a few minutes to change to a new filesharing program, in fact if anything the constant shutting down prevents comercialisation because when one goes down several more pop up which are free, so when the original returns as a pay service there's no point using it.

really i don't know why other industries don't tell the riaa to shut the fuck up. if downloading violent japanese films was just a few times faster i for one would never bother to leave my room again except for bodily functions...

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Dec 22 2004 10:56
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Yeah obviously this sucks loads... but i dont think you can protest about it any effective way without targetting the american agencies responsible for it and others targetting filesharing...

Who else did you think I would target? Other than the Fat Wreck office, if that wasn't so far away.

socko wrote:
it's a simple fact that the majority of filesharers buy as much (or more) music as your average consumer. the issue for many filesharers is simply the corporate monopoly over music and other ideas. i'd be willing to protest, but without numbers we're nothing.

Why do you think I posted here? I'm trying to get the numbers

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Dec 22 2004 12:03
Seta wrote:
Who else did you think I would target? Other than the Fat Wreck office, if that wasn't so far away.

Why fat wreck? have they been involved in anti-p2p stuff?

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Dec 22 2004 14:17
socko wrote:
it's a simple fact that the majority of filesharers buy as much (or more) music as your average consumer.

you always hear this argument when it comes to filesharing. i dont buy ANY music now, why would i, its free? i do go to gigs/clubs though, and that seems a better way to support bands/djs.

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Dec 22 2004 14:43
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i dont buy ANY music now, why would i, its free?

1. For the artwork, liner notes, etc.

2. For decent sound quality (only relevant if you have a decent hi-fi to play it on).

I've always bought more music second-hand than new though, which doesn't help the band or the label any more than if I downloaded it. What I do buy new I mostly get at gigs, so the bands definitely get a big chunk of my cash there.

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Dec 22 2004 15:17

Yeah, if I buy music it's almost always second hand or directly at gigs, the first no different to file sharing in terms of musician returns, the second is about the only way they'll get a decent amount of money for the thing, although buying directly over the net is similar if they're releasing themselves or on musician run labels. A lot of my friends give a fair portion of CDs they produce away free to people anyway, and it's much cheaper to pay a couple of pennies for bandwidth than it is to burn and print a CD then give it away.

I like to have artwork and liner notes on CDs, don't have an ipod, and have shite computer speakers (and have quite a lot of LPs as well), so I still buy stuff and don't really download music (although software/films I will), but I think music distribution by musicians will go the open-source way soon anyway - free downloads maybe with the option to donate. The only way people actually get paid is if audiences turn up to gigs, and file-sharing is replacing decent radio stations in allowing people to hear bands before they go see them, if it has any commercial impact at all.

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Dec 22 2004 15:58

I Still buy CDs sometimes, mainly stuff I can't find on the internet, mostly from the band themselves or the label. One CD I got the other day and it had a bit inside threatening to "send the boys round to sort you out!" if you illeagelly distributed it which I found amusing.

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Dec 22 2004 16:07

I cant believe the music industry has been so shit at getting to grips with file sharing. Even now there are attempts to assimiliate p2p like reincarnated napster and itunes etc. but still they are fighting against it.

As ppl have already pointed out the advantages for bands in the net is huge and is way better than the radio and TV for getting ppl to listen to new kinds of music. The range of music i have been listening to since i started off with Napster (ah good days) is mind burstingly huge compared to i would have got had i just listented to xfm or watched mtv2 or whatever...

But then maybe im missing the point and yes file sharing does suck for the music industry but not for bands themselves if they can figure out how to use it right....

Who gives a shit about the music industry anyway? Its just a parasitic lump of donkey shit.

If anyone is looking to start filesharing check out http://www.slsknet.org for the official Soulseek which isnt full of scamming crap.

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Dec 28 2004 22:32

I think you should take this a bit more seriously. These guys are really out there.

Joe Hill
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Dec 30 2004 00:47

Did you notice what I said?

Mike Harman
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Dec 30 2004 01:41

Joe, do you mean Demon or Filesharing? Apologies for not replying to your Finchley question - the answer is I don't know anything about them, just thought of Dame Shirley Porter when you mentioned dodgy Tory councillors.

Yes, the music industry is a parasitic lump of donkey shit.

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Dec 30 2004 11:56
Joe Hill wrote:
I think you should take this a bit more seriously. These guys are really out there.

Is that directed at me? What do you mean?

Joe Hill
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Jan 1 2005 23:10

Oh never mind, it's about who is running the internet and where the data centres are.

It wasn't directed at you btw. And it doesn't matter anyway.

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Jan 6 2005 18:36

From IMCUK today..

Check out what Bill Gates has to say...

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"There are fewer communists in the world today than there were. There are some new modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises. They don't think that those incentives should exist".

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/01/303508.html

http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020478,39183197,00.htm

Joe Hill
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Jan 7 2005 01:13

For any IT nerds out there - MS is planning a total takeover via its xbox and multimedia (about 2010ish), plus Sun is fucked.

And Bill Gates is indeed a capitalist.

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Jan 7 2005 10:54

Why is Sun fucked? and what is going to be taken over?

Joe Hill
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Jan 8 2005 21:08

Because they've (Sun) been squeezed and are living on an outdated proprietary system that doesn't interact with anything else - outmanoevred.

MS - home and business users takeover if they can, although MS is so full of holes it may not happen, but that is the plan/strategy as I understand it.

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Jan 25 2005 09:56

http://www.bi-torrent.com/50.htm is a bit torrent link that still works for those who are interested.

BB
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Jan 25 2005 11:28

I've not tried this yet, but a couple of techies i know are banging on about it. Might be the replacement for BT.

http://www.exeem.com/

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Jan 25 2005 13:21

I downloaded Bit Torrents recently and started using it. But none of the stuff I've downloaded works. confused

The path to the file is not correct

Windows Media Player cannot find the file. The server name, shared directory name, or file name may be incorrect.

Check the file name and path for any misspellings or discrepancies. If this error message persists, contact your content provider for the correct location of the file you want to play.

Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Remedy ID = 0x00000000

Is what it comes up with every time.

Any help?

embarrassed

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Jan 25 2005 13:51
nosos wrote:
I downloaded Bit Torrents recently and started using it. But none of the stuff I've downloaded works. confused

The path to the file is not correct

Windows Media Player cannot find the file. The server name, shared directory name, or file name may be incorrect.

Check the file name and path for any misspellings or discrepancies. If this error message persists, contact your content provider for the correct location of the file you want to play.

Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Remedy ID = 0x00000000

Is what it comes up with every time.

Any help?

embarrassed

I'd get yourself signed up to a techy Q & A site like p.c. advisor. And post the problem or go to a BT forum an post said problem.

Or if the problems with WMP go to microfu** an see if they've got the answer.

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Jan 25 2005 13:55

or if the problem is with microsoft go to real and get their media player. or even winamp.