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Nov 15 2013 23:02
Class War Political Party
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"We have candidates for eight London constituencies and four more people actively considering standing...We are currently registering Class war as a political party ...My thinking is that we launch our campaign in May 2014 after the Euro-elections when UKIP will do well and the absence of any ‘to the left of labour candidates’ will become critical for tens of thousands of ex-labour voters who don’t want to join a Trot group masquerading as a united front but will be up for a rumbustious return to CLASS WAR.
‘BY THE BRICK AND THE BALLOT’ VOTE CLASS WAR 2015...http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/class-war-general-election-campa...

Good Grief...whatever next?...

A merger with us in the SPGB ? (The Socialist Class War Party...the Socialist Party for Class War...The World Socialist Class War Movement)...nawww, not really ...CW still putting out a menu of reforms to garner votes, the foreplay as Ian Bone once described them as.

Will registration as a political party mean disavowal of anarchism and because of this political party electoral activity will it lead to a ban on Class War stall at anarchist book-fairs?
They are welcome to put their stall alongside our own outside the venue.

The real question is , why the delay for Ian Bone and not stand in next year's Euro elections?

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Nov 15 2013 23:35

lolololololololol...

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Nov 16 2013 07:10

You'll find no love for CW here, mate.

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Nov 16 2013 10:18

As empty vessels make the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest blabbers.

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Nov 16 2013 10:41

I know some former Class War members who're embarrassed they were ever in that organisation.

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Nov 22 2013 05:47

This is totes going to be a new International. The most horrible one yet.

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Jan 12 2014 03:43

Poor degenerated International,
you made good strides when you were young,
and now you are strode upon in the long

tallchris
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Jan 14 2014 14:24

I know many people who are proud of their involvement with Class war and will be supporting efforts by Ian Bone.

tallchris
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Jan 14 2014 15:13

Like this site? A lot of hot air but little or no action. What a waste of time and resources eh?

Caiman del Barrio
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Jan 14 2014 16:25
tallchris wrote:
Like this site? A lot of hot air but little or no action. What a waste of time and resources eh?

Sorry, but I thought we'd left this sort of total fucking bollocks behind in 2005, or whenever it was that Class War burnt a hook-nosed effigy of a Muslim in public.

I suppose being 10 years out of date is preferrable to the rest of CW, who are still stuck in 1990.

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Jan 14 2014 19:15

Whilst not a fan of the Old Class War group's politics it's perhaps again just worth pointing out that the long defunct Class War Group in the UK was very much a child of the times and involved lots of different people at different times in different local groups, some better than others - a good few went on to other groups and activities having leaned something from their earlier involvement. Ian Bone and friends seem to me like a remnant of an earlier phase of the old Class War group good and bad.

There are already a couple of critical analytical texts written since the demise of Class War on this site for those interested, though little material from the 'Smash Hits' days demonstrating the disparate tendencies that fell out from their demise.

ajj's posting served his own purposes in promoting the SPGB (who have had friendly debates with Ian Bone in the past) but others here seem to want to resurrect old enmities to no useful purpose.

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Jan 14 2014 19:52

I just can't, for the life of me, figure out what the fuck they think they can achieve with this. I can see that it may be entertaining to put a few establishment noses out of joint but if that's the reason it'll be a pretty expensive bit of nose thumbing.

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Jan 14 2014 23:25
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
tallchris wrote:
Like this site? A lot of hot air but little or no action. What a waste of time and resources eh?

Sorry, but I thought we'd left this sort of total fucking bollocks behind in 2005, or whenever it was that Class War burnt a hook-nosed effigy of a Muslim in public.

hey, at least they were doing something!!1!

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I suppose being 10 years out of date is preferrable to the rest of CW, who are still stuck in 1990.

don't give them the credit of at least being vaguely trendy, being 90s. CW are still stuck in the 80s.

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Jan 19 2014 20:23

If you've enough money for leaflets, you can get one delivered free, I think, and you've obviously a right to be on the floor of the count if you're a candidate. You may get invitations from press, radio, and tv, to hustings and so on. You can doorknock, phone canvass, do street stalls, 'school gates' as well as leaflet. I think paper candidates is a waste of time.

We don't all have to do the same thing however. So long as it's not doing anything for the sake of doing something. Do what you want to do as well as you can. It'll be interesting to see where the CW candidates do best. Whether it's necessary or the right thing to do is debatable, there is nothing left of bourgeois democracy to legitimize though, perhaps.

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Jan 19 2014 20:55
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It'll be interesting to see where the CW candidates do best.

Indeed. I imagine they should at least get their deposit back in their heartland of Button Moon.

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Jan 19 2014 22:22
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It'll be interesting to see where the CW candidates do best

No it won't.

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Whether it's necessary or the right thing to do is debatable

Er, no it's not.

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Jan 20 2014 15:50

." I don't think we've spent £9,500 in a decade and we've reached millions of people"

Really?

I hope CW do well, seems like perhaps a good way to communicate with mainstream society- but we shall see.

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Jan 20 2014 17:30

I really find it hard to believe that this site has reached millions of people. If it has and hardly any of them have joined the anarchist or social libertarian movement or rose up in any way or fought back in any way then perhaps we are all wasting our time. If CW can afford this election campaign, which they say they can, then it may well be worth it, just as worth it as talking to the people we work and live with- which I'm sure we all do to some degree- I'm sure we all talk to people.

Certainly a large minority of people don't vote but some of them might want to vote CW or SPGB if they could. I can understand not voting and I doubt I will actually vote myself but I'd be tempted if the SPGB or CW was an option. I can well understand voting or standing for NOTA aswell or just regular organising but surely all of these are an option, I don't think we should just dismiss CW, what if it brings more people into the movement or raises consciessness to the inequality of a class society, and one in austerity- which is what CW is about- and going on the offensive if possible. Isn't an election the perfect time to do that? Seems worth a pop to me.

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 17:34

Racist? You actually expect me to believe that CW are racist? I've met them and been familiar with them for sometime. Trying to bullshit me like that won't work. Maybe you should stand for election with bullshit like that eh?

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Jan 20 2014 17:34

Racist? You actually expect me to believe that CW are racist? I've met them and been familiar with them for sometime. Trying to bullshit me like that won't work. Maybe you should stand for election with bullshit like that eh?

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 17:39

It's really going to be pointless discussing this if you are going to come out with nonsense like that. No wonder I haven't bothered with these forums for a while - unlike all those swathes of anarchos out there just waiting to remove her maj from her shiny chair.

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 17:49

great reading material on this site but please.

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Jan 20 2014 17:59

Regardless of anything else, to take part in the parliamentary process just doesn't make any sense - it's obvious insincerity immediately puts it on a par with the sleazy slimeballs CW would be in opposition to.
'Worth a pop' to become part of the very thing that you are supposed to be against? I don't fucking think so!
This seems more like a stunt worthy of Messers Drummond and Cauty than a serious attempt at political engagement.

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Jan 20 2014 18:01

he didnt say they "were" racist (kind of problematic in itself, as though racism were a thing that you are or are not, as oppose to a set of ideas and structures that permeate all society in different ways, anarchists not being immune), only that they burnt a racist effigy. which they did: http://libcom.org/forums/thought/class-war-bonfire-party

tbh i find this whole thing kinda bizarre. most of the arguments in favour of CW's electoralism seem very similar to those folks rip the piss out of trots for raising all the time. how is this any different?

no1
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Jan 20 2014 18:11

Now I realise how much I missed libcom fights

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 18:15

This is about communicating with the public, not careerism, you don't seem to understand. 50% mansion tax to fund affordable housing sounds good to me though aswell as double th edole, maximum wage, immediate amnesty of pay day loans, seizure of estates of the landed gentry- if they could pull it off, and theres a chance they could get significant support for such policies, especially the mansion tax.

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 18:17

However, I feel to be realistic just communication is possible and thats worth it too.

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Jan 20 2014 18:21

then why not just go the whole hog and join tusc? for that matter, how is any of the above at all different to the kind of approach the trot left has been trying and failing for decades?

fidel gastro
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Jan 20 2014 18:23

Oh yeah coz the working class thickos of CW are so uncouth that they don't realize when they are being racist. He basically said they were racists, it's the same thing really, please don't attempt sophistry and ostroracism with me it doesn't work. Jesus.

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Jan 20 2014 18:25

@jonthom Oh yeah coz the working class thickos of CW are so uncouth that they don't realize when they are being racist. He basically said they were racists, it's the same thing really, please don't attempt sophistry and ostroracism with me it doesn't work. Jesus.

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Jan 20 2014 18:31
jonthom wrote:
then why not just go the whole hog and join tusc? for that matter, how is any of the above at all different to the kind of approach the trot left has been trying and failing for decades?

I'd say the Trot left and CW are very different. I really don't see CW as at all corrupt or middle class or hungry to wield totalitarian power for that matter.