For those who want to help build an anarchist youth group

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Jan 22 2004 14:53
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And i think something we should really get into , is producing easy distributable prop.

Yes this was severely lacking before and its something which is pretty vital to spread ideas and reach new people. There was a lot of talking before about "we need a leaflet for such-and-such" and then it didn't get done most of the time (I very much include myself in this criticism).

To be honest Im still not keen on the idea of having a membership or fees but I'm up for discussing the issue and my mind might be changed. What are the benefits of a membership? Surely its better not to for security reasons? black bloc

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Also, are there enough anarchists (particularly in areas outside London) to have youth-only groups? At the moment I don’t think so.

I disagree. BAA only started meeting in October and by a few weeks time 6 different people had been to meetings. Most of those people were in touch from the old AYN boards and 6 isnt loads but its enough to have a group. We're just getting a proper meeting place (not my flat) and are getting more organised and Im confident with a bit of effort we are gonna grow.

So in cities and large towns at least I think anarchist youth groups are perfectly possible. In rural areas maybe not tho.

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I think one problem with AYN and why we had no direction was lack of class struggle politics

Hmm, well those with a less black and white approach to class were very much in the minority in AYN but I think its untrue to say that they were the people who did less. sad What if someone is against authority and hierarchy and opression etc. but does not believe class is the root cause. Would you suggest they were marginalised and excluded from AYN?

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Jan 22 2004 17:09
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I think one problem with AYN and why we had no direction was lack of class struggle politics

Hmm, well those with a less black and white approach to class were very much in the minority in AYN but I think its untrue to say that they were the people who did less. sad What if someone is against authority and hierarchy and opression etc. but does not believe class is the root cause. Would you suggest they were marginalised and excluded from AYN?

3rd season I'm not saying that people who didn't believe in class were less active, just that without understanding that the best chance we've got to build a new world is within the class struggle all the activity we do will get nowhere.

And you do think it's a black and white approach, but i think i'm gonna have to agree with butchersapron that you really aren't getting the argument.

No one is saying that economic class is the root cause of, say, patriarchy - cos patriarchy was around before capitalism, and that would be ridiculous. However what we are saying is that what are the best ways to fight, say, patriarchy? Is it cross-class, by saying that women should have just as much right to be politicians, bosses and generals? Or is it by uniting as a class, fighting sexist ideas + roles, and getting rid of politicians, bosses and generals?

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Jan 22 2004 18:17

please, can we not start another arguement about class just yet? we should set aside an hour or so every gathering for a big arguement, and then find some reasonable way to work around our differences for the rest of the time, something which could be discussed at any gathering.

to get it off the web, maybe it would be good to try and have at least an informal gathering every holiday or weekend around people's half-terms, and have it move around the country a bit. surely it would be that hard? we could deffinitely have a piss up in birmingham, bristol i expect, london goes without saying, brighton probably wouldn't be much of a problem as there's friendly people down there as well as some involved in ayn... so that's four places already.

also, this is the resuscitation of the ayn, not resurrection, cos a couple of months of comparative inactivity on boards is not the death of a group, baa for instance is still going.

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Jan 22 2004 19:36
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Is it cross-class, by saying that women should have just as much right to be politicians, bosses and generals? Or is it by uniting as a class, fighting sexist ideas + roles, and getting rid of politicians, bosses and generals?

To be fair it is very possible to fight sexist ideas and roles without "uniting as a class". I mean, what about opressed women who are from middle class backgrounds etc? Altho you dont believe in middle class do you GB?

Anyway I am being picky now. tongue I agree with GT that we should try and keep this thread on topic about reviving the AYN and the upcoming gathering and not go off on one debating class.

Does everyone agree that Bristol in June is a good time and location?

If we can get that much finalised it would be cool and BAA can get on with sorting out the venue. Do people want a one day gathering with a social in the evening and accomodation provided for one night as I initially suggested or a two day thing to make a weekend of it??

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Jan 22 2004 21:15

Open Meeting to Set Up a London Anarchist Youth Network!

Please see this thread in London Forums.

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Jan 22 2004 21:49
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Open Meeting to Set Up a London Anarchist Youth Network!

This is a very good thing as regards the upcoming AYN gathering 8)

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Jan 22 2004 23:07
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Does everyone agree that Bristol in June is a good time and location?

Erm, I still dunno when my exams finish (rumours are they may spill into July!). As it ain't gonna happen for 4/5 months, do you have to put a date down now? Could you wait a bit? If not, then just put a date down but if you can, please do.

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Jan 22 2004 23:18

Actually there is no reason to put a date down now Ed.

Its just I wanna make sure people are well up for coming and also BAA needs to work it out with the social centre people but s'ok. smile

We'll wait a while before finalising.

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Jan 22 2004 23:47

I know I'll definately be in college until the end of june, so maybe july at the earliest would be good cos I assume other people must be too.

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Jan 23 2004 13:36

oh yeah, about membership, i don't see why they'd be much of a security risk, because the ayn isn't going to be a guerilla organisation is it! (not yet anyway) and of course you can always give a false name, just as long as you contribute a bit towards finances and give some reliable way of contacting you.

bristol is fine for me, i don't care when as long as it's not during glastonbury or when i go on holiday. i think it should be a two day thing with socials, just so the next day can be anything we didn't have time for the first one, and then with any spare time we can make crazy shit. or whatever.

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Jan 23 2004 14:07

Yeah I agree its not really much of a security issue about the membership. Ive always been at the least uneasy about membership though. I think it probably all stems from when I was just getting involved in activist type stuff and protest and one of the first things which struck me was how all the trot parties focussed everything around recruitment... they were all like "JOIN US.. JOIN US". One of them actually said to my friend "I think you could be an asset to the party", trying to get him to join. roll eyes grin

As long as AYN doesnt get focussed on recruitment I suppose I wouldnt have much of a problem with having a membership.

What date is glastonbury this year?

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Jan 24 2004 14:11

So how popular would people say the membership idea is then?

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Jan 29 2004 13:01

I'm new here etc etc

But I am reaching out in spirit of friendship.

A lot of community organisations especially ethnic community language schools encourage reactionary divisive ideas.

I tend to hold that freedom unless universal worldwide is extended privilege and cooptation.

By freedom I include the freedom from starvation, shelterlessness, psychologically damaging ideas, absent healthcare, environmental destruction, hopelessness and alienation.

A new estimate on total product of world suggest it could be produced if all were fully engaged employed with a twenty at most twenty five thirty hour week.

An alternative is required. Can I help?

Have to go now.

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Jan 30 2004 14:45
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An alternative is required. Can I help?

Have to go now.

If your in London, your in luck mate, lots of @'s to hook up with.

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So how popular would people say the membership idea is then?

What are the pors/cons, I cant particularly see a big deal either way.

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Feb 6 2004 11:15

Thank you for your reply.

I am new to doing participatory politics.

Sorry I am late replying

Right now I spend a lot of my time with Gini coefficients and it throws me a little from what I was doing before.

Before I was a hospital porter and very afraid of the manager even

though I was a member of Unison.

Is the meeting for a youth anarchist London branch open to all to attend?

I tend to hold a different courses for different horses approach regarding direct action with risk of arrest.

There are those who simply are not pyschologically able to take the step of arrest.

I am not sure whether I have met an @ or not even though I have lived in London most of my life.

I imagine society is still greatly divided with much mistrust between its constituent groups.

I finally have an afternoon off and will be going to the Freedom Press this afternoon to see if I can understand some more.

I think I have a lot of societally-impressed fears which I must press out.

I don't guess it likely but if anyone does read this and is also at Freedom Press help out a tall bloke with a black jacket and glasses.

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Feb 9 2004 20:19
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the whole membership thing i like the sound of,but i'm wandering what exactly that would entail like you wouldn't have to pay or anything cause membership prices etc puts a lot of people off...

but then maybe they don't care that much?

When you say 'care' do you mean about this project or do you mean it in a more general sense..?

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Feb 10 2004 10:24

I mean don't care about that project. For example I'm a committed anarchist but don't pay membership dues to Class War. But then I wouldn't expect to have any say in how CW was run.