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rottweiler
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Apr 24 2010 00:16
Workers Solidarity Federation

I think it sounds better. I think it makes it less equivical and it will help in google searches. I think a workers movement needs 'workers' in the title.

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Apr 25 2010 19:55

Why was the name changed from Direct Action Movement btw? The CNT has workers in its title well kinda-(National Confederation of Labour) so probly a good idea rottweiler, so people instantly know what they are all about.

Caiman del Barrio
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Apr 25 2010 20:25

SF has unemployed and student members.

Boris Badenov
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Apr 25 2010 20:28
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
SF has unemployed and student members.

Which is probably why it's not called the Currently Employed Workers Solidarity Federation.
(tbh, not sure why this name change was necessary, but if they felt it had to be done, I'm sure they had a reason).

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Apr 25 2010 20:35
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
SF has unemployed and student members.

Thats not the argument though.

Names are always going to be hard to agree on, because there is limited in circulation, but I actually like SF.

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Apr 25 2010 20:36

Name change dates back to 1994. No one liked Direct Action Movement, WSF was one of the options we voted on IIRC, but Solidarity Federation won out.

Regards,

Martin

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Apr 25 2010 20:40

yeah I thought it was a good name too, precisely because of its subtlety.

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Apr 25 2010 20:41
martinh wrote:
Name change dates back to 1994. No one liked Direct Action Movement, WSF was one of the options we voted on IIRC, but Solidarity Federation won out.

Regards,

Martin

So the name didn't change? What's the OP on about then?

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Apr 25 2010 20:43

in 1994, the name changed from DAM to SF. the OP's asking why we don't have 'workers' or some permutation thereof in the name to stress our orientation towards workers struggle.

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Apr 25 2010 20:43

I think the OP is a suggestion. We've not reconsidered our name formally since we agreed on it as far as I know

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Apr 25 2010 20:47

Careful now...

....you wouldnt want any confusion to arise.

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Apr 25 2010 21:22
martinh wrote:
Name change dates back to 1994. No one liked Direct Action Movement, WSF was one of the options we voted on IIRC, but Solidarity Federation won out.

Chosing names is difficult, but a least SolFed can be happy that they made a significant improvement. DAM really was an awful name. I actually think SolFed is quite good and says a lot about what you are without sounding like you have randomly drawn out various lefty sounding words from a bag.

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Apr 25 2010 21:45

besides, 'sol fed' allows of that pun 'self ed', which i've always liked.

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Apr 25 2010 22:03
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the OP's asking why we don't have 'workers' or some permutation thereof in the name to stress our orientation towards workers struggle.

Exactly. I'm thinking about the future and the possible expansion of Solfed. Nobody knows what Solfed are outside the anarchist movement and some on the left. I'm thinking that 'Solidarity Federation' is more equivical than 'Workers Solidarity Federation' or whatever else. maybe I'm wrong and it doesn't matter. I wasn't implying that it should be a group just for workers I am saying that 'workers' in the name implies its class orientation.

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Apr 25 2010 22:18

rottweiler thank you - I agree! I am so glad I saw this thread before the Organise! Annual Meeting next week - I am now going to propose that we change our name to Workers Organise!

But seriously Solidarity Federation or SolFed is grand, not to keen on the SF abbrieviation though. Raising the possibility of name changes is always dangerous though - the time wasted on sorting or changing names for groups or organisations can be among the most needlessly time consuming and damaging discussions a group can ever have.

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Apr 26 2010 06:40
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
SF has unemployed and student members.

So does the Industrial Workers of the World though. =)

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Apr 26 2010 08:03

names

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Apr 26 2010 10:44
october_lost wrote:
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
SF has unemployed and student members.

Thats not the argument though.

Right, but if we're discussing how to make the name more accessible and easily communicative of our agenda, then adding Workers to it seems to be inviting a reductionist understanding of the revolutionary class. I, for one, would burn out on telling folk that they're workers too even if they're unemployed/undergrad/temmping, etc.

To be honest, I live in hope that the English language will soon conjure up a better term than "workers" for That Majority Bunch Of People Who Are Forced To Sell Themselves To Capital In One Of A Variety Of Fashions.

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Apr 26 2010 10:52

'Proletarian Solidarity Federation' grin

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Apr 26 2010 13:09

For what it's work, WSF is a name we tossed about before choosing Workers Solidarity Alliance (WSA) back in 1984. I know why we didn't choose federation, cause we're not a federation. I can't recall why we choose alliance though.

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Apr 26 2010 13:46

There was also a platformist group called the Workers Solidarity Federation in South Africa that is one of the predecessors of Zabalaza...

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Apr 26 2010 13:55
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There was also a platformist group called the Workers Solidarity Federation in South Africa that is one of the predecessors of Zabalaza...

Actually, the S.African WSF was a hybrid anarcho-syndicalist and platformist organization.
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/wsf.html While I may have my own thoughts on some of what the WSF wrote, I get where they are coming to a degree. I'd say that much of the WSF's perspectives are reflected in "Black Flame", as their authors (or at least one of them) were involed in the WSF.

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Apr 26 2010 19:03
notch8 wrote:
Careful now...

....you wouldnt want any confusion to arise.

Change it to the Workers' Liberty and Solidarity Movement for maximum points.

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For what it's work, WSF is a name we tossed about before choosing Workers Solidarity Alliance (WSA) back in 1984. I know why we didn't choose federation, cause we're not a federation. I can't recall why we choose alliance though.

No offence, but I always thought Alliance sounds a bit rubbish in the name of an org. It works for leagues of super-heroes, and actual international alliances, but not much else.

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Apr 26 2010 19:08
Farce wrote:
No offence, but I always thought Alliance sounds a bit rubbish in the name of an org. It works for leagues of super-heroes, and actual international alliances, but not much else.

Actually, it has a precedent in British Labour history:

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Triple Alliance (1914)

The Triple Alliance included the National Union of Mineworkers, the National Union of Railwaymen and the National Transport Workers' Federation, the last-named being an association of various different unions for dockers, seamen, tramwaymen and road vehicle workers.

The formation of the alliance followed a period of rapid trade union growth and widespread strike action - the 'Great Unrest' of 1910-1914 - and appeared to signal a significant step towards greater unity within British trade unionism. However, in practice, the Triple Alliance failed to secure unified action among its constituent members.

Its major test came in April 1921 when wage reductions were imposed on miners as the industry returned to private hands, following a period of State control during wartime. Following some confusion over what terms the Miners' Union would be prepared to accept, the transport workers' and railwaymen's unions decided not to call their members out on strike in sympathy with the miners. This event, 'Black Friday', was regarded by many socialists and trade unionists as a betrayal of solidarity and a major defeat for trade unionism.

However, the Triple Alliance arguably played a large part in securing government subsidies for miners' wages in July 1925 on Red Friday. The Triple Alliance agreed to back the miners in their dispute against the miner owners who had announced future wage cuts and increasing work hours a month previously, threatening a complete halt to the production and transport of coal.

The name was perhaps unfortunate; as it was the same as the Triple Alliance (1882) of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy who would go to war with Britain (apart from Italy) the same year.

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Apr 26 2010 19:39

Yeah, but that was an actual alliance of different organisations, so it makes sense. It still sounds a bit grandiose if it's just an alliance of individuals.

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Apr 26 2010 20:35

Toilers' Reciprocity League

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Apr 26 2010 22:39

Rubbish. Real nice.

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Apr 27 2010 00:17

I still like Libertarian Labour League - LLL. Its libertarian, its got a word for workers in it that isn't workers and its also got a super hero group word.

BILCO is what we will force SolFed to become when we merge with them.

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Apr 27 2010 01:53
Joseph Kay wrote:
'Proletarian Solidarity Federation' grin

"Proletarian" is second only to "black vagina" in terms of Most Alienating Term in English Language.

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Apr 27 2010 02:39

I think before totally dismissing this all of the potential for WSF links should be seriously considered.

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Apr 27 2010 04:31
Farce wrote:
Yeah, but that was an actual alliance of different organisations, so it makes sense. It still sounds a bit grandiose if it's just an alliance of individuals.

There is also the 'Libertarian Alliance' who I can remember being given a stall at the Anarchist Bookfair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Alliance

It is good to know that while they let people like that in, evil Marxists like the ICC were still banned.

Devrim