Discussions about SF & AF

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Jun 21 2012 17:03
Discussions about SF & AF

As the "why don't AF and SF merge" discussion still seems to be recurring regularly I thought it would be useful to have a thread to keep a record of all the previous discussions on here. Hopefully it will make it easier for people new to either organisation to work out where we all stand and what the reasons for having two different organisations are. It's worth mentioning that people have been talking about this before libcom even existed.

SF/AF merger/co-operation threads:

The AF and Solfed (2005)
http://libcom.org/forums/anarchist-federation/the-af-and-solfed

Joining forces on a UK-wide publication (was AF/Platformist split) (2008)
http://libcom.org/forums/anarchist-federation/af-platformist-split-27032008

Federation co-operation (2009)
http://libcom.org/forums/organise/federation-merges-24112009

Why don't SolFed and AFED merge? (2010)
http://libcom.org/forums/organise/why-dont-solfed-afed-merge-30052010

Network of AF and SF members who want to organise towards a merger (2012)
http://libcom.org/forums/organise/network-af-sf-members-who-want-organise-towards-merger-16052012

There are some other good threads on the political differences between anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism which I will try to add to this post later. Nearly all can be found on this search term http://libcom.org/search/apachesolr_search/solfed%20afed

If anybody else thinks there are any worth adding please post below.

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Jun 29 2012 00:54

I've just discovered this Jim. Thanks, I'll start reading.

stevey

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Jun 29 2012 16:14

How about a frequency chart too?

no1
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Jun 29 2012 16:23

First reply in the oldest thread (2005) complains that the subject of a SF and AF merger is coming up again after less than 4 months.....

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Jun 29 2012 18:26

I guess lots of people still see the SolFed as an anarcho-communist political organisation.

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Jul 11 2012 10:12

These threads mentioned the two orgs a lot, and were really valuable discussions:

http://libcom.org/forums/organise/role-anarcho-syndicalist-organisation-role-anarchist-federation-24092009

http://libcom.org/forums/theory/parallels-between-anarcho-syndicalism-council-communism-22092009

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Jul 11 2012 10:38
nastyned wrote:
I guess lots of people still see the SolFed as an anarcho-communist political organisation.

Cheeky. laugh out loud

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Jul 11 2012 11:15
nastyned wrote:
I guess lots of people still see the SolFed as an anarcho-communist political organisation.

I guess lots of people are wrong! I've not heard of anarcho-communist organisations running workplace organiser trainings, similarly we don't publish books about Bakunin and other famous anarchists.

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Jul 11 2012 11:29

So, is SolFed no longer libertarian communist?

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Jul 11 2012 12:11

Words, man, pesky little things cause so many problems...

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Jul 11 2012 12:42
Serge Forward wrote:
So, is SolFed no longer libertarian communist?

The decisive break with libertarian communism was around lunchtime last Tuesday.

Harrison
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Jul 11 2012 16:40

We are starting a bakery instead to make "Sol Bread"

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Jul 11 2012 17:19

This isn't doing much to keep alive the discussion of a merger!

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Jul 11 2012 17:27

Or opening a cafe to sell Soul Food.

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Jul 11 2012 18:27

There's been something of a split over whether to do food retail or postal work tbh, I'm leaning towards founding Sol Fedex.

(motto: You'll get it when you get it, arsehole)

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Jul 11 2012 18:32

I'm sure I've heard Freedom Press come out with the same mission statement! wink

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Jul 11 2012 19:21
Rob Ray wrote:
There's been something of a split over whether to do food retail or postal work tbh, I'm leaning towards founding Sol Fedex.

(motto: You'll get it when you get it, arsehole)

What happened to founding Tommy Ascasotown colony in south america?

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Jul 12 2012 08:54
Harrison wrote:
We are starting a bakery instead to make "Sol Bread"

Standing outside our own shop. Oh yeah. cool

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Jul 12 2012 09:46

Brand SolFed should really be focussing on our USP: standing outside shops. At a time when trade unions are haemorrhaging members and struggling to staff picket lines, we could offer a one-stop professional solution for all their standing outside things needs. This seems like the best way to leverage our capital investments in our proffessional training and development programme and to deliver quarter-on-quarter returns on investment for our stakeholders.

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Jul 12 2012 09:57

That's more like it! I like the cut of your jib. How does one obtain shares in this SolFed plc thingy?

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Jul 12 2012 10:26
Joseph Kay wrote:
Brand SolFed should really be focussing on our USP: standing outside shops. At a time when trade unions are haemorrhaging members and struggling to staff picket lines, we could offer a one-stop professional solution for all their standing outside things needs. This seems like the best way to leverage our capital investments in our proffessional training and development programme and to deliver quarter-on-quarter returns on investment for our stakeholders.

Tiendasism cool . In your face, Collective Action.

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Jul 12 2012 11:03

Soory, but Solfed sounds more like it should be some sort of painkilling tablet, and this thread is certainly giving me a headache.

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Jul 12 2012 11:49

Oddly enough, there are/were some SolFed = painkiller stickers, but sadly I can't find an online image.

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Jul 12 2012 11:53

Isn't Solfed just the effervescent version of the insoluble Afed generic anarcho-pain-killer?

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Jul 12 2012 12:00
Serge Forward wrote:
Isn't Solfed just the effervescent version of the insoluble Afed generic anarcho-pain-killer?

Faster-acting? (the sectarian response)

Frothy but ultimately lacking in substance? (err....)

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Jul 12 2012 12:51

Hmmm, perhaps the massive support that Bristol AF gave to the H&B picket down there- basically they did all the work for it- is "frothy but ultimately lacking in substance??? ( just one example)

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Jul 12 2012 12:59
Battlescarred wrote:
Hmmm, perhaps the massive support that Bristol AF gave to the H&B picket down there- basically they did all the work for it- is "frothy but ultimately lacking in substance??? ( just one example)

"Frothy but ultimately lacking in substance" was another interpretation of the description of SolFed as "effervescent", but don't let that get in the way, eh?

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Jul 12 2012 13:15
Battlescarred wrote:
Hmmm, perhaps the massive support that Bristol AF gave to the H&B picket down there- basically they did all the work for it- is "frothy but ultimately lacking in substance??? ( just one example)


Calm down dear, it's only a commercial grin