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Working out a Coherent Theory of how Politics are Currently Operated

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Dec 2 2013 13:34
Working out a Coherent Theory of how Politics are Currently Operated

The title of this post is not something I believe I have personally achieved. I think the final result of such a project would look something like an interactive encyclopedia of facts, sources and interpretive debate.

Two of the considerations I am currently working with to tackle this issue are what can be understood when thinking about "natural law" and what can be understood as "human nature", in this latter concept where we draw the lines of definition and where the lines must be left open to fully grasp the concept and allow the for the rest to be description of a historical fact which may or may not reassert itself.

I am new to circles of in depth discussion and consciousness of political issues. Most of the people I know personally do not wish to have those kinds of discussions or to acknowledge such historical events which do not justify their world view. That being said, It is not my intention to be the sole harbinger of indisputable fact. I understand that a great amount of human understanding rests on interpretation, and interpretation rests on much else further.

I have recently been making an effort to compile some of what I believe are sources that illuminate instances of conscious action and manipulation which have been unjustly overlooked or else undiscovered. I do not think my survey is complete nor am I completely certain about the veracity of every source I have given. What I hope is that through discussion and a mutual investigation among those likewise intent on developing a theory of political operation, ultimately a balanced conception can be formed and ultimately be developed further and new insights and information arise.

I am linking here to my blog because I have gone through lengths to post links to sources of information which I believe are of importance if only for being so thoroughly overlooked and yet holding the potential for significant influence in the workings of society and the lives of individuals.

Ultimately, my belief is that it is through an adequate and well balanced understanding of reality and its facets which facilitate effective action— and for how I see it, action is the conscious construction of our reality and experiences.

I appreciate all insights and feedback on my blog, and I apologize for the current inadequacies in my organization and presentation. These are part of what I wish to balance.

www.watchingthewatcher.wordpress.com

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Dec 2 2013 17:17
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Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution which further detailed Wall Street’s involvement with funding the development of the Soviet Union through the Bolshevik Revolution.

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Another work by Anthony Sutton which is very illuminating and perhaps the best place to get a good cursory overview of his other work is the book America’s Secret Establishment, an Introduction to the Order of the Skull and Bones...In this work Anthony Sutton investigates the history of the members on the list and details the way their influences have been able to attain an important grasp on world events.

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Among the notable aspects concerning the [Fabian] society is the membership of H.G. Wells who, beyond writing science fiction novels, wrote a number of works of non-fiction advocating plans for a socialist “One World” government. He also worked with think tanks of his time and was among those who devised the idea of a “League of Nations” which later became the united nations.

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Recently, the comedian and actor Russell Brand appeared in a BBC interview which went viral online speaking against government injustice. It is interesting to note that in this interview he refuses to give his interpretation of a societal model, but says that there are experts much more qualified who could work to put it into place. He does though mention that it would look like a form of “egalitarian socialism”. The original purpose of the interview was to highlight how Russell Brand had been given a spot as guest editor for an issue of the magazine New Statesman. If you follow the wikipedia page for New Statesman, it appears in the first paragraph that the magazine has close ties with the Fabian Society.

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Finally, I would like to mention a lot more briefly than the subject might deserve, but there is another society that has recently come into the mainstream eye. It is the Bilderberg Group

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Another couple of works I feel are worth a quick mention because of their aid to illumination on current events are The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek...The Road to Serfdom sheds important light into some unavoidable effects which result from socialism. Such as the need to enforce the roles of a planned economy which ultimately results in a limitation of freedom.

This is all very interesting, but when are you going to get into the role of extraterrestrial Jewish lizards?

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Dec 2 2013 17:37

Why would I have to get into that? I don't think that exists, but there are other verifiable things which do in fact exist, so I do not get what you are implying.

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Dec 2 2013 18:00

Are you an anarcho-conspiracist?

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Dec 2 2013 18:27
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Why would I have to get into that? I don't think that exists, but there are other verifiable things which do in fact exist, so I do not get what you are implying.

I'm implying that what you've written is nonsense lacking any materialist, structural analysis (or correct understanding of socialism). Rather than analyzing impersonal forces that compel certain behavior, the ills of the world are attributed to this "elite" of sinister individuals organized into secretive organizations. The supposed history that you refer to is also quite dodgy, particularly but not limited to the bit about the Bolsheviks being Wall Street puppets. The blog as a whole is quite typical of right-wing "libertarian" and fascist views that are very critical of finance capital but much less so of industrial capital and the capitalist mode of production as a whole and avoid any meaningful class analysis.

It's not really much more logically sound than, and rather reminiscent of, theories that attribute global domination to "international Jewish finance." This is a libertarian communist forum, not a Ron Paul fan board.

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Dec 2 2013 18:30

I find it hard to describe myself in those terms if any because it seems like any system is always open to constant definition as it's being lived. I would definitely consider myself on the anarchist side of the spectrum for the fact that I think all human organization should be reassembled in a non-hierarchical manner. I wouldn't call myself a conspirator because I'm not conspiring, I am attempting to understand the way that power works and is utilized in our society or across the globe. I think it is a human issue. I apologize for not giving a more clear cut classification to my philosophies but I suppose one of the things I'm intellectually grappling with is the trouble that a closed definition can bring as events generally defy such narrow classification and for that reason seem obstructive to a complete understanding (which I understand can never be completely experienced... a collective conscious of different/differing perspectives comes close). I hope that helps.

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I'm implying that what you've written is nonsense lacking any materialist, structural analysis (or correct understanding of socialism). Rather than analyzing impersonal forces that compel certain behavior, the ills of the world are attributed to this "elite" of sinister individuals organized into secretive organizations. The supposed history that you refer to is also quite dodgy, particularly but not limited to the bit about the Bolsheviks being Wall Street puppets. The blog as a whole is quite typical of right-wing "libertarian" and fascist views that are very critical of finance capital but much less so of industrial capital and the capitalist mode of production as a whole and avoid any meaningful class analysis.

Okay, I accept partially what you say, that it lacks a certain degree of analysis, but an analysis was not the purpose of that particular post, it was an attempt to bring to light certain information which I believe lacks discussion. I don't think there is zero materiality in the sources I mentioned, if even for the fact that they point towards ideological attempts to control information and assert evaluative biases.

I apologize again if you think that bringing up certain things is enough to disqualify me from participating in what you've come to perceive as your exclusive community.

I did try to make it clear that I was open for discussion on all of the topics I had brought up. I did not imply that the Bolsheviks were entirely Wall Street puppets. There is probably a certain amount of truth that certain parties on Wall Street were involved in providing funding. That does not necessarily imply that the Bolsheviks were in their hands at all. It only leads to a possibility that certain parties on wall street who may have had connections to other business, found it convenient to support the Bolshevik rising at that point in history.

Things of that nature are spoken of as early as Machiavelli in the Prince, that opposing sides lend support to one another for their own advantage.

I am not familiar with Ron Paul. I'm sorry if some of the information I have brought up is endorsed or even funded by him or his subsidiaries. I hope that in your view of a society it is allowed that information is made accessible and freely discussed.

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Dec 2 2013 18:48

I also don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that there is the conscious activity from a select elite group of people. Even look at the American presidents, with George Bush Sr. and a few years later his son in office. An elite member of society is just someone of a past nobility or new found wealth, their roles do not have to be all encompassing in that they possess ultimate power. They just have access to more resources and certain segments of society which are capable of greater influence than the average person is capable of exacting. Combine this with the fact that these wealthier strata spend their time together, which is obvious because they would go to the same expensive locations, golf clubs, etc. and have shared friends. When they need to make business deals overseas, whatever it is, they contact their friends for help and connections. These are normal things. It is just that the interests of these people become to such a degree shared, and the ability of the average person so slight and ineffectual in comparison, that the society is no longer and even playing field. I think these are completely valid reasons for a desire towards a non-hierarchical arrangement to society.

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Dec 2 2013 19:07

It looks like you have a lot of time on your hand. So I would advise you to take the time to read the following pieces:

http://libcom.org/library/how-overthrow-illuminati

http://libcom.org/library/capitalism-introduction

http://libcom.org/library/state-introduction

http://libcom.org/forums/general/reading-list-newbies-13072013

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Dec 2 2013 18:57

I recommend that you check out the introductory guides I linked to for a better sense of how the understanding of society presented in your blog contrasts rather sharply with that generally held by people on this forum.

Although all sorts of people with strange and contradictory views have called themselves anarchists, anarchism as a mass social movement has always been a current within the broader socialist movement. Anarchism isn't just about non-hierarchical organization regardless of the content of that organization. Rather it's about utilizing non-hierarchical means as a method of transforming capitalist social relations into communist ones--that is to say, constructing a society on the basis of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

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Dec 2 2013 18:57

double post

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Dec 2 2013 19:40

Thanks for moving the discussion forward. I think you've mistaken me slightly. While I do not consider myself an expert in Marx, I am familiar with his writing as well as critical theory. I don't think there is anything which outright rejects Marx's criticism of Capitalism in what I provided. I am also aware of the fact that conspiracy information is severely clouded, but that is no reason to reject all criticism that proposes those kinds of explanations. I don't think monarchies lost all their power, the queen still sits in England, there is a queen of the Netherlands, Sweden, etc. I think it would be a mistake to deny that certain families have wealth that goes back far into history, or deny the influence of the Rockefeller family on American politics. I mean they have a whole square of new york city filled with buildings they've funded, multiple family members have sat on the board of the Council on Foreign relations and that information is available through their website.

I do think a lot of conspiracy information has been created to mislead, that is why it's important to get to know the facts. The link you provided stated that this kind of theorizing leads to helplessness and unabashed skepticism towards gatherings and protests. I should mention that that is also an example of generalizing and simplifying the human organism to a herd instinct. And besides, there are multiple works of science being written that detail group psychology, even if they are all bunk, there is definitely enough interest from people who have the money to fund these experiments... And I'm pretty much certain it's common knowledge that these techniques are used in advertising and propaganda.

I am new to the forum. Maybe my ideas are not entirely orthodox. If that is out of fallacy that I will accept that fallacy when I have evidence which tells me it is so. A book I quoted on my blog, MindWar, is written by a retired Lt. Colonel of the united states army. Either the information is true or it is deliberate disinformation. I think it is at least logical to surmise that a conscious influence is at play, and there is nothing writing with trying to infer a motive.

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Dec 3 2013 13:14

I am not sure if my posts will be completely ignored. It seems like there is a strong resistance to this kind of information on a grand scale.

I want to add a few links here to show people that these things are being reported in the news and many of them verifiable.

Here are a couple of links from international news outlets:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-01-28/secret-banking-cabal-emerges-fr...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/22/offshore-wealth-idUSL6E8IKF612...

Concerning the bilderberg group, this is now being addressed by the mainstream media at least to a degree, though admittedly the whole thing is being transformed into a circus.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/bilderberg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3773019.stm

These meetings have been attended by powerful people, for example members of the Wallenberg family from Sweden, who control 1/3 of the country's GDP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenberg_family

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants

You will also find on that list David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller even published a memoir with this line:

“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002

You can even go to google books and search for the quote inside the book and read it there for yourself. It is under a section which addresses populism.

If you look at the meeting list posted by a party on behalf of the Bilderberg group themselves, it states that one of the topics of their 2013 meeting was populism:

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2013.html

In these cases (the Bilderberg meeting agenda and Rockefeller's memoir) both admit to there being a dichotomy of elite and masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

I find it disturbing that almost very few people are willing to face these facts and at least address them in a rational discussion.

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Dec 3 2013 23:21
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I find it disturbing that almost very few people are willing to face these facts and at least address them in a rational discussion.

There is a secret clue in the above quote which demonstrates exactly what everyone else is saying.