Zeitgeist Movement

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Jul 16 2011 12:10
Zeitgeist Movement

Hey

Sorry if this has been done, but can anyone direct me to papers/texts etc for a critique of their ideology?

Cheers

Kakumei

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Jul 16 2011 12:41

Hi Kakumei

There is a long thread on this on libcom.

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Jul 17 2011 05:12

http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/feb10/page4.html
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/dec08/page4.html
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/jan09/page12.html
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/mar11/film_review.html

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Jul 17 2011 17:38

When zeitgeist has been mentioned before, some on here have pointed out rightly that the movement seems to be solely internet based and that no members seem to be involved in strikes/demonstrations and real life activism on the streets. But on j30 I actually did see some people with a small zeitgeist leaflet attached to the corner of their pickets. If I remember rightly, it didnt look that official as it was just a folded piece of a4 but hey, at least I saw them

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Jul 17 2011 19:26

I have seen somebody with a Zeitgeist placard on a demonstration/ assembly in solidarity with the greek struggle, in Amsterdam, July 10. And, in Tilburg, Netherlands, where I live, I cooperate with somebody who says he became more critical-minded about society through seeing a Zeitgest movie. Clearly, for some people, the Zeitgeist phenomenon is a bridge towarrds activism. We might like peopl to use another bridge, but if such a bridge is nt to be found, people will take what they can find. If people find no visible anarchist/ libertarian communist presence, they might find Zeitgeist (even more) atrractive. There is a lesson somewhere, there...

That is, of course , no reason to be soft on the arguments - on the contrary! A bridge can take you both ways.... It IS, however, a reason to take the thing seriously. The Zeitgeist thing ca fill a need; if we are not there to offer better ideas and practices to fill that need, its influence can grow stronger and do damage to a growing resistance.

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Jul 17 2011 21:24

Thanks for the info, looks like I have a bit of reading to do!

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May 5 2013 13:21

This is how to explain the labour movement to the zeitgeist movement (from a former zeitgeister)
http://zeitgeistworker.wordpress.com/

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May 11 2013 13:44

I've found TZM to be 50% "futurists" and 50% conspiracy theorists who think that exponential increases in computing power will lead us to a sci-fi utopia, without people really having to challenge their own behaviour and consumption too much. They don't really have an idea about how this is going to happen other than donating to the Venus Project, and discussion about how to reach this utopia makes up maybe 10% of their forum. The rest of their chatter is circlejerking over BCIs and self-driven cars and sharing Youtube "documentaries".

I think they were into Ron Paul a while ago but now they're anti-capitalist, and I do agree with most of their criticisms of capitalism because it's basically Marx rebranded to appeal to sci-fi fans ("monetary-based economy" and "resource-based economy" instead of "capitalism" and "communism" respectively).

Edit: Also, the movies are garbage and a lot of zeitgeisters these days stress that the movement and the movies are totally separate.

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May 12 2013 11:24
KnMn wrote:
The rest of their chatter is circlejerking over BCIs and self-driven cars and sharing Youtube "documentaries".

Seriously, there are so much of them. I used to know some one who would link me them endlessly.