"Stealing" from your boss...

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Jun 16 2004 20:46
"Stealing" from your boss...

What do you guys think, considering that I hate my job and my boss is a total moron who won't notice, is it acceptable to steal from my employer? wink

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Jun 16 2004 21:56

100% definetly alright to steal from your boss / employer as long as it isnt harming other workers!

Anonymous
Jun 16 2004 22:41

Stealing from your boss is brilliant! Consider this, your boss is stealing the profits of your labour (as Marx would say), you're just minimising the damage. Exploitation reduction, innit!

But yeah, as rkn says, try and make sure none of your co-workers (or yourself for that matter) get in shit for it. Happy stealing!

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Jun 16 2004 23:54

My boss is a rich, miserable old git who pays his staff fuck all, overcharges his patrons and then just sits about waitng for the cash to roll in. So I make a point of stealing from him wherever possible (ie all the time). I still think I'd actually have to resort to burgling the place to get a fair share of the monkey dust though.

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Jun 17 2004 10:22

rob the cunt blind!

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Jun 17 2004 14:39

Okay generally I would say yes, but it can alter radically depending where you work. Dont be stealing in situation which causes problems for the other staff or damages the service you offer, if at all.

But widening this out what do people think of stealing from 'the rich'? I was watching the Dead Prez video and they stole the car of some rich tourists, is this progressive? Im sure Bakunin would have loved it.....

Anonymous
Jun 17 2004 17:07

I have absolutely no problem with stealing from the bastard boss, or any corporation - it should be encouraged. But where to draw the line (if it should be drawn at all) - if its ok to steal from Nike or Tesco, is it also ok to steal from smaller, independent businesses? How about health/organic food shops or charity shops?

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Jun 17 2004 17:10
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But where to draw the line (if it should be drawn at all) - if its ok to steal from Nike or Tesco, is it also ok to steal from smaller, independent businesses? How about health/organic food shops or charity shops?

Like in every situation we cant generalise obviously every situation is different depending on whatever circumstances.

It depends on your own ideas and ideals, for example lots of health / organic shops are corporate (or a load of bullshit anyway and organic stuff is fucking expensive) so why not steal if thats what you feel like?

Cant really see much worth stealing in charity shops - personnaly i wouldnt really see the need to steal from them myself but im sure people who do have their own reasons!

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Jun 17 2004 18:22

Why do you have a boss?

I too have a boss, but I'm still a Student. I don't plan to have one when I leave University. Is it a lot harder than just willing it?

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Jun 17 2004 18:47

Good intentions - but how do you plan on not having a boss?

I doubt many people choose to have a boss... i think its just the nature of how things are!

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Jun 18 2004 17:22
foggedterminally wrote:
Why do you have a boss?

I too have a boss, but I'm still a Student. I don't plan to have one when I leave University. Is it a lot harder than just willing it?

College student, its either work or sit in at nights doing fuck all innit?

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Jun 18 2004 17:24

Above post=me embarrassed

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Jun 18 2004 17:25
Anonymous wrote:
I have absolutely no problem with stealing from the bastard boss, or any corporation - it should be encouraged. But where to draw the line (if it should be drawn at all) - if its ok to steal from Nike or Tesco, is it also ok to steal from smaller, independent businesses? How about health/organic food shops or charity shops?

Personally I'd draw the line where it hurt someone who's not an exploiter (e.g., I plan to work for the NHS later in life, I'd never do anything to reduce the quality of other people's healthcare)

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Jun 18 2004 18:41

madashell: I meant that I spend all day at College so don't have the time to try and subsist. I suppose I'm being naive but I thought you could choose whether to live and work in a Capitalist system, with all the comforts it confers but sacrificing 9-5 of your day, or you could try and live outside it and subsist. Or maybe with a leg either side.

If having a Boss is "just the way things are" why do you have Anarchist beliefs?

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Jun 18 2004 19:15

Madashell, I worked for the NHS (as a direct employee and as a temp, some admin, some support work) for two years, and from that experience, doing your job as well as you possibly can often impinges on the health care of patients - the NHS is a fundamentally bureaucratic organisation, wasting hundreds of hours per year per employee on needless paperwork, and employing plenty of agency staff to do jobs that could be scrapped completely without the slightest harm to patients - allowing more cash to be put into actual health care (I had to deal with one person who's job, as photocopy clerk, was to tell me I was only allow to 1/10th the photocopies I needed to in order to provide legal information to the clients on 12 psychiatric wards - buying 13 new photocopiers with her annual wage would have allowed people to actually do some photocopying, instead of wasting half an hour trying to negotiate with her, and therefore more time an resources). It also put the interests of consultants, nurses and hospitals far above those of patients, at least within the psychiatric system, where I witnessed very little respect for some of the basic legal rights of patients from my managers and co-workers.

FWIW, I also spent two week once working for Kensington and Chelsea Council in their housing strategy department (or something like that). Apart from the fact that my day's tasks took 1 1/2 hours and I had to sit (without internet access) for the remaining 6 1/2, the guy who was supposed to be training me to do his job spent five hours one day looking for his stationery catalogue, with me in tow. He called up 15 people, then went 'round to their offices individually, then after giving up, walked 3 minutes down the corridor and picked one off the pile of 3000! sitting in cardboard boxes in the stationery office. Since I was with an agency, and therefore was costing them at least £16/hour, and he was probably getting the same or more on salary (he'd just been promoted to management), that cost the residents of Kensington and Chelsea about £150, for a fucking free stationery catalogue. I quit without notice a couple of days later (and went to work for the NHS).

Also, fwiw, on one of the wards in the hospital I worked at, about five of the nurses managed annual salaries of over £50000 by manipulating overtime, one or two in excess of £65000. That's much more than the consultant psychiatrist earned. They'd give themselves triple time shifts that were supposed to be worked by junior nurses costing much less, and force other staff to cover the other, less lucrative slots. Plenty of theft going on in the public sector.

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Jun 19 2004 15:01
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I suppose I'm being naive but I thought you could choose whether to live and work in a Capitalist system, with all the comforts it confers but sacrificing 9-5 of your day, or you could try and live outside it and subsist

Yes, you are being naive. You can't live outside the capitalist system as it currently controls EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. There is no such thing as living outside of it, only living on the excess of it which, rather than actively fighting capitalism, promotes reliance on it. Think about it: Dropping out, not having a job and therefore you need to find another way to survive. EG Housing = squatting aka living in the houses capitalism deems too unprofitable to use. You cannot drop out of capitalism, only find an alternative way to live capitalism. Which is fair enough, but don't try and dress it up as radical politics...it ain't, it's just arsing about.

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If having a Boss is "just the way things are" why do you have Anarchist beliefs?

To try and change the way things are. Simple. red n black star

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Jun 20 2004 23:48
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madashell: I meant that I spend all day at College so don't have the time to try and subsist. I suppose I'm being naive but I thought you could choose whether to live and work in a Capitalist system, with all the comforts it confers but sacrificing 9-5 of your day, or you could try and live outside it and subsist. Or maybe with a leg either side.

If having a Boss is "just the way things are" why do you have Anarchist beliefs?

you can't live outside bourgeois society

in fact, many people who set up communes like that actually contribute to capitalism because they are effectively saying that there is some sort of ''alternative'' to social revolution, which is nonsense.

although obviously thats a generalisation, and sometimes ''communal living'' serves the political ends of the left, tho personally i'd think thats rare.

If you want to be a hermit in the woods thats your choice, but thats total individualism, and it simply isn't an option for the majority of the human population.

john

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Jun 21 2004 16:07

But communes set an example. I get told that anarchy is impossible all the time, it helps if you have an example that wasnt in the 1930s to point at.

And as for stealing from the boss, go for it and enjoy, i know i do... Just dont get caught, then your not even helping yourself!

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Jul 2 2004 19:44

Topics containing links to people's sites are unneeded and contribute nothing as a whole, much like topics containing content like this one. You could have PMed a moderator and asked this same question and received the same http:// order-business.fateback.com/ response. Please do so in the future.

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Jul 2 2004 20:24

you what?!! confused confused

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Jul 3 2004 15:33

confused confused

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Jul 3 2004 20:03
wlu_lax6 wrote:
Topics containing links to people's sites are unneeded and contribute nothing as a whole, much like topics containing content like this one. You could have PMed a moderator and asked this same question and received the same http:// order-business.fateback.com/ response. Please do so in the future.

So the jist of that seems to be "dont talk to anyone, its a waste of time" - right.

And whatever you do, dont bother linking to sites that people might want to learn something from!

Anonymous
Jul 4 2004 11:32

What if your boss was a fairly decent fellow, who didn't treat his workers like shit? Probably a rare occurence, but supposing it was true? I don't think I would be able to justify stealing from him/her in that case, despite differences in class.

Not all people who are "non working class/underclass" are scum you know.... roll eyes

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Jul 4 2004 11:33

^^above post = me^^ embarrassed

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Jul 5 2004 22:22
foggedterminally wrote:
madashell: I meant that I spend all day at College so don't have the time to try and subsist. I suppose I'm being naive but I thought you could choose whether to live and work in a Capitalist system, with all the comforts it confers but sacrificing 9-5 of your day, or you could try and live outside it and subsist. Or maybe with a leg either side.

If having a Boss is "just the way things are" why do you have Anarchist beliefs?

Unless I want to sit about doing fuck all I have to work for money. If I don't work, I don't have money and I can't afford the basic essentials (weed, rizla and hobnobs).

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Jul 5 2004 22:23
Tom A wrote:
What if your boss was a fairly decent fellow, who didn't treat his workers like shit? Probably a rare occurence, but supposing it was true? I don't think I would be able to justify stealing from him/her in that case, despite differences in class.

Its still exploitation tho, if your boss paid you as much money as you made him/her, then s/he'd go out of business quick snap, nuh?

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Jul 6 2004 20:01
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What if your boss was a fairly decent fellow, who didn't treat his workers like shit? Probably a rare occurence, but supposing it was true? I don't think I would be able to justify stealing from him/her in that case, despite differences in class.

Not all people who are "non working class/underclass" are scum you know.... roll eyes

Yeah, small businesses or whatever, its different. But i work for Tesco right now, and i dont even think there is a "Mr. Tesco" - just the invisible monolith!

Anonymous
Aug 1 2004 10:41

Saw that this morning. I've said it before....for all you want to talk about United and their international profile Black Jack Gum, they really seem to do business the right way. I'm interested to see just how much Kenyon had to do with these results, so next year will be interesting.

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Aug 2 2004 17:52

confused

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Aug 2 2004 18:55

Stealing from the man is to be encouraged, keeping the money you steal is not. If everyone in this country stole a tenner from work and gave it to wateraid or unicef, millions of lives would be improved and 'work' probably wouldn't even notice wink

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Aug 3 2004 20:26

Quote from my namesake

'Common sense is a compendium of slander, such as 'we'll always need bosses' or 'if there wasnt oppression human kind would descend into chaos''

Stealing from your boss is fine. Though it would be better if you could steal off the executives who pocket the majority of the money YOU make. The best way to do this is to distribute the goods you produce to your mates, sabotage your work place, disseminate radical literature to mates at work/get them involved in the action, take sickies (a type of theft). All have to be done quite secretively off course if your boss remains at the work place. Even better idea lynch your boss and run the place FOR yourself!