Anarchist political party, solely as a protest point?

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Jun 8 2009 21:28
Anarchist political party, solely as a protest point?

When I was looking across the pond at the uk. I read that each party has a party political broadcast, surely this could be an opportunity to tell the people what anarchism is really about? I am aware of the hostility which anarchists feel towards political parties for obvious reasons but this would just be for publicity to the anarchist cause not in any way would this 'party' seek power.

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Jun 8 2009 21:35

Don't see why not. Perhaps it would cost alot of money to get it set up though? and im not sure if all parties can have a party political broadcast?

Im sure most ppl on here will disagree with you. Interesting post.

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Jun 8 2009 21:45

I think if enough people contribute to funds a video could be made, since they're not that long. I dunno maybe it was a ridiculous idea on second thoughts.

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Jun 8 2009 23:55

I think I remember hearing that you need to have a certain number of council seats to qualify for a broadcast.

I could be wrong though, I do get alot of my information from blokes in pubs.

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Jun 9 2009 09:50

doesn't it cost loads of money to stand candidates in elections?

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Jun 9 2009 15:13
radicalgraffiti wrote:
doesn't it cost loads of money to stand candidates in elections?

£500 per candidate in a general election, and you have to stand more than 50 now I think more like 90 I'm sure...

Local elections are free to stand in though, but it would be another £150 or so to register a party.

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Jun 9 2009 15:54

This was raised before, and if theres a cohesive group I think the Sinn Fein tactic works fine and needs to be renewed.

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Jun 9 2009 16:29
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
radicalgraffiti wrote:
doesn't it cost loads of money to stand candidates in elections?

£500 per candidate in a general election, and you have to stand more than 50 now I think more like 90 I'm sure...

Local elections are free to stand in though, but it would be another £150 or so to register a party.

so £25000 minimum for a general election for about 3 minutes on tv, and a lot of people would have to publish there real names and addresses. Local elections would be cheaper but still involve revealing personal information.
For local elections is that £150 once to register national or £150 in each location that you stand?

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Jun 9 2009 17:10
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For local elections is that £150 once to register national or £150 in each location that you stand?

It's a one off national fee for registration, if you run as an independent you don't have to pay anything but then you don't have a party...

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Jun 9 2009 23:14

Maybe you should check out what the SPGB does, as what you describe is pretty close to their anti-leninist, anti-social democratic tactic. I'm sure one (or more) of their folks have made this case somewhere on libcom. Just for the record their website is worldsocialism.org - and before you ask, no, I'm not. (And never have been smile

You might also be interested in this bunch from Germany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e6oE3Z7jpU

Be careful how you spend your time, energy and resources - in ALL things, not just this one.

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Jun 10 2009 08:02

there was even an "anarcho-stalinist" party in Germany in the 1980ies and 1990ies, the FAU/AP which ran a few time in local election (polling around 0.3% at the majoral elections in Heidelberg around 1990), celebrated Stalin's birthday (subscribing to Stalin's "methodology", not to his "ideology") and organized martial arts workshops (calling it "workers' sport") ... the APPD from which the youtube-clip is considers itself "pogo anarchist" which is more a kind of ideologization of punk attitudes

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Jun 10 2009 09:12
october_lost wrote:
This was raised before, and if theres a cohesive group I think the Sinn Fein tactic works fine and needs to be renewed.
That source wrote:
On March the 2nd Guy's London home was raided by the police and special branch, after four hours searching they found nothing. Never the less they decided to arrest Guy, who pointed out that they were acting on a Glasgow Magistrate's Warrant and it was not valid in London. They took him and locked him up anyway and three days later formally arrested him in his cell. The Glasgow police also raided Bakunin House arresting Jane Patrick - the secretary, Douglas McLeish - group member and Andrew Fleming a printer. Guy Aldred was charged with conspiring with Patrick and McLeish to "excite popular disaffection, commotion, and violence to popular authority". They made a formal appearance before the Sheriff on March the 7th and were remanded in custody for two weeks before appearing before Lord Chief Clerk who released Andrew Fleming on £200 bail, Douglas McLeish and Jane Patrick on £150 bail each but remanded Guy Aldred in custody. He remained in custody until the trial at Glasgow High Court on June 21st 1921. The jury took a few minutes to reach a guilty verdict. Lord Skerrington passed sentence; Guy Aldred 1 year, Jane Patrick 3 months, Douglas McLeish 3 months, Andrew Fleming, 3 months and a fine of £50 or another three months. Guy Aldred and Douglas McLeish went to Barlinnie Prison while Jane Patrick and Andrew Fleming were sent to Duke Street Prison. Guy served the full year plus the four months remand, the authorities stated that the remand did not count, the first time ever.

That definitely sounds like a tactic working well. tongue
Nah, seriously, I am ultra-suspicious of all this parliament stuff. The electoral system is not a neutral institution, it is a process designed to maintain capitalist rule. If you're talking about "standing for election but not swearing the oath or taking your seat", then that presumably means taking the whole standing for election thing seriously. Why not spend your energies (and serious electoral campaigns take A LOT of energy) on something more productive instead?

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Jun 11 2009 16:14
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If you run for election and don't take your seat people will think you are a dick.

The question is would you weeler? Not all people think the same way, you are the perfect example a potato loving anarchist. laugh out loud

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Jun 11 2009 20:37
weeler wrote:
If you run for election and don't take your seat people will think you are a dick.

Well if you tell the people that you aren't going to take your seat before the election and the people vote and you win that seat then a lot of people aren't going to think you're a dick because youve already said you're not going to take your seat. But then again people might think you're a dick if you stand and say you're not going to take your seat and if they do think that they're not going to vote for you.

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Jun 11 2009 20:50
weeler wrote:
If you run for election and don't take your seat people will think you are a dick.

Thats a flippant remark but for the sake of argument its about the process not the result. In elections some people are more open to whats going on with politics than at any other dominant time. The idea is to expose people with a plaform of what anarchism is about. So while the political parties are talking their bourgeois reformism you can put forward a full cohesive set of ideas on how housing, public services, crime, transport would be self managed.

The alternatives for anarchists at election time are frankly shit. Do we give out literature telling people the wonders of not voting or ignore elections altogether? Neither seem a credible option.

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Jun 11 2009 21:06

making people think that there is even a glimmer of hope in electoralism is profoundly misguided, imo.

OL wrote:
Do we give out literature telling people the wonders of not voting or ignore elections altogether?

talk about a flippant remark, but yes, not voting is the way to go, although there's nothing wondrous about it.

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Jun 12 2009 01:27

I don't see anything wrong with voting, anymore than I see anything wrong with rooting for any sports team. But as far as political content, none. That's my line, and I'm hanging by it.

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Jun 12 2009 02:17
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I don't see anything wrong with voting, anymore than I see anything wrong with rooting for any sports team.

yeah only the games political parties are playing affect our lives on a completely different level than a football match.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with the voting process, and there is nothing "wrong" even with voting for a bourgeois political party, because that would imply a real choice has been made. It's just that parliamentarianism is a dead end for the working class, and that's that. Rejecting it doesn't mean upholding some great political dogma or making an amazingly radical statement.

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Jun 12 2009 08:21

Oh, electoralism is anathema, but just telling people not to vote implies that voting has some political purpose after all.

We're in agreement, so let's stop arguing please. wink

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Jun 12 2009 09:54

The electoral system is the guise through which capitalism pretends people have a say in how things are run. No matter how radical a candidate sounds they will always be perpetuators of capitalism so I don't see any connection with anarchism whatsoever. But the point of televised propaganda is very interesting simply because TV is unfortunatley the source of most people's information. How do you get mainstream stations to broadcast such material though???

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Jun 17 2009 08:48

I think there's a valid argument to be made for standing candidates on limited local issues with the express purpose of making an incumbant office holder (either councillor or MP) lose their seat, without having to back an opposition candidate who could be just as bad, or worse.

It should only be as part of a real relevent and rooted local campaign however, and we as anarchists should make it clear that it is not a solution, and that if our candidate wins it will make very little difference compared to building a strong and militant community.

Parish (or community in Scotland) and Town councils (in the UK) are different, though they normally have very little power, councillors are generally unpaid, I don't see any harm in anarchists participating on a principled basis as a parish or town councillor can act like a union rep for the community. I wouldn't say it was a particularly important strategy though.

I think it is acceptable to stand with the promise of not taking your seat, as a tactic depending on the nature of the campaign - for instance if you were standing on the basis that all MPs are corrupt scumbags - people do "get it".