Are Antifa platformists?

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Jun 12 2009 21:55
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
...it [sic] times of crisis fash will the the ones breaking up strikes etc as they always did.

I thought the police normally breaks up strikes.

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Jun 12 2009 22:07
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Anyway, thats bit sad times, when egging somebody is considered radical smile

not radical, but they did definitely intervene in a physical way - they basically pushed him out of the interview

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Jun 12 2009 22:23

Im sure if Antifa support independent anti fascists. There is bound to be room for arguments. For example if you have some SWP ppl, or communist party of great Britain members and talk to them about the Makhnovist movement and Kronstadt or what happened in the Spanish civil war. Surely that may result in infighting. I can imagine Eastern Barbarian smashing some trots face in with a crow bar. Mr. T

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Jun 12 2009 22:23

come on, backin old good times he would get a fucking kicking!

Police usually breaks strikes but often with help of right wing vigilante groups or fash (very clear in Greece these days where fascists help pigs do the dirty work)

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Jun 12 2009 22:23

come on, backin old good times he would get a fucking kicking!

Police usually breaks strikes but often with help of right wing vigilante groups or fash (very clear in Greece these days where fascists help pigs do the dirty work)

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Jun 13 2009 09:54
tojiah wrote:
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
...it [sic] times of crisis fash will the the ones breaking up strikes etc as they always did.

I thought the police normally breaks up strikes.

Turkish Nationalists were used to attack pickets in the JJ Foods strike, and I've heard stories the NF used to attack lefty meetings in the 70s. That said i'm generaly of the view that we should deal with such a problem as it happens, I mean if a SolFed started getting fash trying to break up our meetings then we'd batter them. if we couldn't handle, it we'd ask for solidarity from other comrades, and batter them. but there is a definite danger of fetishising street violence when the fash aren't pursuing a street strategy, i think anti-fascism should be a practical aspect of class struggle organisning rather than a specialised, separate thing (much like my views on prisoner support; if there were movement prisoners, then we should form the structures required to support them).

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Jun 13 2009 13:47

Problem is that if you don't counter their activity now, later on might be too late to batter them, even with the help of your comrades, besides believe me, you can't learn handling yourself in fights over a night. That's why so often anarchists wake up with their hand in the toilet when shit hits the fan, because there is no group ready to defend their achievements and its tool ate to learn.

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Jun 13 2009 13:48

Back where I am from no anarchist activity would be possible without organized defence structures.

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Jun 13 2009 15:45
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
That's why so often anarchists wake up with their hand in the toilet when shit hits the fan

That's a nice pair of related idioms!

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Jun 13 2009 15:49
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Whats wrong with Weymann Bennett? I've spoken to him on the phone a couple times and he seems nice. Dirt plz.

Think he's most infamous for randomly coming out with anti-semetic comments about how israelis should go home ''to new york or wherever'', though tbh, you can never tell whether stuff like that is a CPBG/AWL smear or not.
Basically he's the worst end of UAF, among the people who don;t just call for a vote for labour but would happily go around telling people to vote tory and also call for BNP members to be sacked from their jobs and prosecuted under race hate laws. As JK says, hes a particularly loathsome type of trot.

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Jun 13 2009 18:06
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
Back where I am from no anarchist activity would be possible without organized defence structures.

As I remember you are from Poland. I was there at an openly advertised anarchist meeting a couple of years ago and didn't see any 'organized defence structures'.

Also on the point of attacks upon ethnic minorities, a comrade and I walked around Warsaw loudly* speaking Turkish and didn't suffer from any racial abuse, something that in my experience is not always the same in Germany. Also we talked with 'Turkish' kebab shop workers at length and didn't get the idea that it was a huge problem.

Maybe your 'anarchist activity' needs 'organized defence structures' because most of it involves fighting a gang war.

Devrim

*Everybody says that I am a very loud person

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Jun 13 2009 21:24
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
Problem is that if you don't counter their activity now, later on might be too late to batter them, even with the help of your comrades, besides believe me, you can't learn handling yourself in fights over a night. That's why so often anarchists wake up with their hand in the toilet when shit hits the fan, because there is no group ready to defend their achievements and its tool ate to learn.

I don't disagree on the need to counter the far right now, since they present us different problems to other capitalist factions. as you know, SolFed people turned out for the anti-BNP demo (although we didn't judge it to be a moment for physical opposition, more propagandize at well meaning liberals). We're not averse to physical force anti-fascism but see it as a tactic to be employed as appropriate amongst general class struggle activities. it doesn't hurt to know how to handle yourself and keep in shape either, but to be honest I don't think ts essential and we should be wary if the informal hierarchies created by macho streetfighting kudos.

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Jun 13 2009 21:55

Devrim- possibility of having openly organized conference in Warsaw was due to the relentless years of fighting by anti-fascist there that made nazis completely scared of coming even remotely clear to any anarchist events. Besides, Warsaw is completely different reality, its a capital and quite multi-cultural as far as Poland is concerned.
Anyway, please refrain from smart-ass remarks about our anarchist activity which you know nothing about.

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Jun 13 2009 22:09
Eastern Barbarian wrote:
Anyway, please refrain from smart-ass remarks about our anarchist activity which you know nothing about.

I only know what you tell us and that's how it comes across to me.

Deveim

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Jun 13 2009 22:11

Well- I dont tell you a lot, because I am rarely active in this forum, but please take copy of Abolishing the Borders from Below and see whats the main part of anarchist activity in Poland . Good night.