Should wetherspoons become americanised

Yes
43% (3 votes)
No
57% (4 votes)
Total votes: 7

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andycrap
Sep 18 2005 15:41

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andycrap
Sep 18 2005 15:41

For all loyal CW readers who would have seen the article on the back page of issue 87 on wetherspoons will know they have successfully carried out there smoking ban on 37 pubs in Britain and we will see a complete ban in all their pubs soon.

What the hell has this got to do with WC politics i hear you wonder?

Not only do a lot of political groups hold their meetings at Wetherspoons which they seem to tolerate,try holding a meeting with shadey looking people huddling around a table whispering to each other in another pub and you wont get away with it for long.

The smoking ban isn't about banning smoking its about regentrifing their pubs and by pushing out the WC to attract a more selective clientele (refer to issue 87 of CW) and by seeing big buisness taking over our social life.A report in their local magazine stated that they want more people using their pubs as a relaxed eating place for all the family,they will have to sort there food out which taste like shit. Their staff are underpaid,unionless and have to work some terrible shifts.

As for CAMRA what a sorry bunch of shits who are willing to ignore Wetherspoons politics for a quick buck (they let W`spoons pay for their printing) and shockingly Wetherspoons held a stall at the Earls Ct Beer

festival claiming that their beer is real ale,again they have some dubious dealings in their cut throat practices with little brewerys. Recently i got a bus to edmonton and back to hackney and counted 6 pubs closed down,one of the reasons is due to the likes of Wetherspoons undercutting them with cheap stale beer.so bye bye our locals

The backlash has started with Wetherspoons profits suffering badly,the Landlords & Ladies who take the franchise on will not be to happy because the profits will effect them badly.I am sure the shit will hit the van when Wetherspoons complete their non smoking ban.See below link to see how wetherspoons treat people:

http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/s/106/106149_wetherspoons_trouser_ban_strikes_again__.html

Lazy Riser
Sep 18 2005 17:08

Hi

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The backlash has started with Wetherspoons profits suffering badly

Talk about "Defending the Left of Capitalism". Don't let the ICC find out.

Love

Chris

Refused
Sep 18 2005 17:17

I voted yes because I don't like second hand smoke, and I don't like this thread.

red n black star

oisleep
Sep 18 2005 19:22

why not? what's wrong with it?

i'd rather go for a few pints in wetherspoons than in most pubs these days, smoking ban or not, although i can see where it could start to head once they bring in the ban, still won't be as bad as most of the crap that's around at the moment

wetherspoons are usually pretty big anyway, so (being a non-smoker) i've never really found people smoking there a problem

Steven.
Sep 18 2005 20:29

You really think the smoking ban's aimed at pushing working class people out of pubs?? The smoking ban's about public health - of workers and customers. I mean most of the working class don't even smoke, so it can't possibly be aimed at that!

(I smoke, btw)

oisleep wrote:
wetherspoons are usually pretty big anyway, so (being a non-smoker) i've never really found people smoking there a problem

Some get really smoky and nasty though, the one near old st roundabout can be quite bad

oisleep
Sep 18 2005 21:13

apparently samual smiths are starting to reconvert a lot of their old pubs back to the victorian set up, where you had two bars in the one pub, both with different doors onto the street, used to be one lounge bar and one public, to keep the poshs and the scum seperate. one bit would be for smoking the other not, i don't think that's a bad idea, and it'd keep toffs out of our side of the bar (even though i don't smoke sad )

only problem is that samuel smith's range of beers isn't that great, it's pretty cheap though

PaulMarsh
Sep 19 2005 06:51

Wetherspoon trouser ban is one of the best stories I have ever read, you genuinely could not make it up.

They have banned hooded tops, baseball caps, flat caps and now tracksuit bottoms - perhaps a Wetherspoons corporate clothing range - compulsory for all customers - is imminent!

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 08:20
Steven. wrote:
You really think the smoking ban's aimed at pushing working class people out of pubs?? The smoking ban's about public health - of workers and customers. I mean most of the working class don't even smoke, so it can't possibly be aimed at that!

(I smoke, btw)

Yes i do and i dont think Wetherspoons (the McDonalds of pubs) on there past history of treatment of staff couldnt give a shit about public health,what about people drinking to much (doubles at cheap prices) and more people die from polluted roads and people using cars,have they been banned?thats a public health problem. confused

The smoking ban is about yuppiefying there pubs and getting a different clientel,its a capitalist trick,W`spoons moves into the high st undercuts every pub near them with cheap beer,waits for them to become flats then WHAM they push out there loyal customers to make way for a better clientel who want to drink chardonnay (more profit).

Also inbetween this time they make sure that campaigns are on there side another sly trick,like CAMRA who are at the moment campaigning to keep local pubs open and who also have shares in Wetherspoons......

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 08:28
oisleep wrote:
why not? what's wrong with it?

i'd rather go for a few pints in wetherspoons than in most pubs these days, smoking ban or not, although i can see where it could start to head once they bring in the ban, still won't be as bad as most of the crap that's around at the moment

wetherspoons are usually pretty big anyway, so (being a non-smoker) i've never really found people smoking there a problem

I totally agree.

Mike Harman
Sep 19 2005 09:10

Better Wetherspoons than Rat and Parrot, All Bar One, Slug and Lettuce, O'Neills etc. Wetherspoons competes with local pubs, but they rarely buy them out and gut them themselves. I'll be there after the Bookfair anyway.

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 09:58
Catch wrote:
Better Wetherspoons than Rat and Parrot, All Bar One, Slug and Lettuce, O'Neills etc. Wetherspoons competes with local pubs, but they rarely buy them out and gut them themselves. I'll be there after the Bookfair anyway.

neutral Same as that...its the best boozer in Holloway, seems to me w`spoons wants the customers All bar one has etc...othering cheaper prices and will probally get them,great to have a choice of stale beer,packet boil in a bag unhealthy food,cheap spirits etc but with a choice of not having a ciggie....i wonder what will happen to the old geezer who sells cheap tobacco in the holloway wetherspoons.

I was recently in Liv st W`spoons,london where i saw this girl with her finger jammed up her nose digging deep for a bogey,later i observed her with an apron on heading to the kitchen.......

Fozzie
Sep 19 2005 10:21

I think these things are not black and white.

Clearly the intiatives around the smoking ban are to do with public health, as Steven says. The stats on cancer in bar workers and passive smoking are outrageous from what I can remember. There is no way anyone would defend that level of harm to workers if we were talking about asbestos.

Oooh - here we go:

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A report from University College London measured the levels of exposure to passive smoking amongst London's non-smoking bar workers. It states that bar workers take in amounts of environmental tobacco smoke over 10 times higher than the average non-smoker. The Irish trade union representing bar workers estimates that 150 bar workers die in Ireland each year from ill health caused by exposure to second hand smoke. Further research from Norway states that waiters and barkeepers have a significantly higher risk of developing lung cancer compared to other occupations.

http://www.smokeatwork.org/index.htm (TUC-affiliated site)

But I think the key thing here is the rest of the stuff wetherspoons are doing. The dress code is clearly aimed at removing a section of the working class from its pubs. For them, the smoking ban reinforces this and doing it early (before it becomes law) gives them the jump on their competitors.

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 10:44

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A report from University College London measured the levels of exposure to passive smoking amongst London's non-smoking bar workers. It states that bar workers take in amounts of environmental tobacco smoke over 10 times higher than the average non-smoker. The Irish trade union representing bar workers estimates that 150 bar workers die in Ireland each year from ill health caused by exposure to second hand smoke. Further research from Norway states that waiters and barkeepers have a significantly higher risk of developing lung cancer compared to other occupations.

http://www.smokeatwork.org/index.htm (TUC-affiliated site)

Maybe we could also see a report on peoples health on drinking alcohol,road/air pollution.

Fozzie
Sep 19 2005 10:50
andycrap wrote:

Maybe we could also see a report on peoples health on drinking alcohol,road/air pollution.

"It's all bad, and anyway you might get hit by a bus tomorrow." - me.

But that shouldn't detract from attempts to sort out a safer working environment for people employed in pubs.

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 11:09

..... roll eyes Its discimination,why havent they banned the sale of cigarettes?

A more serious threat to health is the amount of vehicles on the roads which is the cause of increasing chest infections and ill health including an increase in ashma sufferers particularly in young children.

People should have a choice and instead of an outright ban in spaces there should be rooms where people can excersice their choice to smoke or not.

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 11:09

woops

Fozzie
Sep 19 2005 11:18
andycrap wrote:
..... roll eyes Its discimination,why havent they banned the sale of cigarettes?

A more serious threat to health is the amount of vehicles on the roads which is the cause of increasing chest infections and ill health including an increase in ashma sufferers particularly in young children.

People should have a choice and instead of an outright ban in spaces there should be rooms where people can excersice their choice to smoke or not.

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying nothing should be done about bar workers contracting cancer until the issues around asthma and cars are sorted out?

Would you support bosses' "rights" to expose their workforce to other cancer-causing toxins for that reason?

How do you propose glasses are cleared, cleaning is done, etc in rooms where people are allowed to smoke?

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 11:23
Fozzie wrote:
andycrap wrote:
..... roll eyes Its discimination,why havent they banned the sale of cigarettes?

A more serious threat to health is the amount of vehicles on the roads which is the cause of increasing chest infections and ill health including an increase in ashma sufferers particularly in young children.

People should have a choice and instead of an outright ban in spaces there should be rooms where people can excersice their choice to smoke or not.

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying nothing should be done about bar workers contracting cancer until the issues around asthma and cars are sorted out?

Would you support bosses' "rights" to expose their workforce to other cancer-causing toxins for that reason?

How do you propose glasses are cleared, cleaning is done, etc in rooms where people are allowed to smoke?

If i was non smoker i wouldnt work in a pub,if i was a vegetarian i wouldnt work in a kebab shop.......

Fozzie
Sep 19 2005 11:29
andycrap wrote:
If i was non smoker i wouldnt work in a pub,if i was a vegetarian i wouldnt work in a kebab shop.......

Let's just hope everyone else is able to make those choices, then.

Steven.
Sep 19 2005 12:55
andycrap wrote:
If i was non smoker i wouldnt work in a pub,if i was a vegetarian i wouldnt work in a kebab shop.......

So "get on your bike" then?

A strange view from a Class War member confused

What if a pub worker gets pregnant and doesn't want her unborn baby to be damaged? Should she "get on her bike" and find another job?

Yeah Fozzie I suppose they'll ban it, knowing a government ban will come in force in the next couple of years anyway. By then they'll hopefully have acquired their new non-smoking customer base, some of whom will remain loyal.

the button
Sep 19 2005 13:09
Steven. wrote:
What if a pub worker gets pregnant and doesn't want her unborn baby to be damaged? Should she "get on her bike" and find another job?

No. She should pass her concerns on to her employer, telling her/him that she wants to change to duties that do not put her or her unborn child at risk. Then (as is almost inevitable) when her boss tells her to fuck off, she can take the brewery for £1000s on grounds of indirect sex discrimination. Or something. neutral

Steven.
Sep 19 2005 13:30
the button wrote:
No. She should pass her concerns on to her employer, telling her/him that she wants to change to duties that do not put her or her unborn child at risk. Then (as is almost inevitable) when her boss tells her to fuck off, she can take the brewery for £1000s on grounds of indirect sex discrimination. Or something. neutral

Come on, you know those tribunals really don't work for the vast majority of people...

the button
Sep 19 2005 13:30

....... hence the neutral .

wink

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 14:43

A strange view from a Class War member

Personally i thought your views where very strange.

How do you propose glasses are cleared, cleaning is done, etc in rooms where people are allowed to smoke?

I mean what the hell is that spose to mean.

What if a pub worker gets pregnant and doesn't want her unborn baby to be damaged? Should she "get on her bike" and find another job?

Urgh...i thought she might take some time of to have her baby dont you think or is that strange.

Workers at wetherspoons are adviced by the head office not to be apart of unions,big pubs like wetherspoons can hae better ventilation for the staff besids you cant smoke at the bar anyway.

Fozzie
Sep 19 2005 15:13
andycrap wrote:
A strange view from a Class War member

How do you propose glasses are cleared, cleaning is done, etc in rooms where people are allowed to smoke?

I mean what the hell is that spose to mean.

How should people who collect glasses from the room (that you are proposing for smokers), and clean it, be protected from contracting cancer?

andycrap wrote:
What if a pub worker gets pregnant and doesn't want her unborn baby to be damaged? Should she "get on her bike" and find another job?

Urgh...i thought she might take some time of to have her baby dont you think or is that strange.

Do you think women can have as much time off as they like from work these days whilst being pregnant? Your workplace must be very nice.

andycrap wrote:
Workers at wetherspoons are adviced by the head office not to be apart of unions,big pubs like wetherspoons can hae better ventilation for the staff besids you cant smoke at the bar anyway.

Everyone knows wetherspoons are cunts to their workers. Lots of places are, which is why health and safety can't be left up to individual workers or union branches.

Ventilation does not solve the problem, I'm afraid:

http://www.cieh.org/research/smokefree/Part%201/10%20Ventilation%20argument.pdf

Nor does not smoking at the bar.

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 16:14

Do you think women can have as much time off as they like from work these days whilst being pregnant? Your workplace must be very nice.

Where is the proof that smoking harms your baby?theres evidence that passive smoking doesny put you in higher risk of cancer,for or against.

How should people who collect glasses from the room (that you are proposing for smokers), and clean it, be protected from contracting cancer?

I mean thats barmy...What would you do if you had two gays/lesbians in the room,would you clean it or you may think you get aids.

Rule by fear in you case mate..

any we are missing the point here:

SIX MONTHS into the Irish smoking ban, the Daily Telegraph reports that as trade in rural pubs plunges many are flouting the law. "In a town in Co Kerry at least half a dozen pubs are operating secret smoking rooms. In one traditional bar packed with locals and several tourists, people who asked where they could go for a cigarette were shown to a back room. Pints of Guinness sat on a wooden table and the room was filled with laughter and clouds of smoke ..."

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 17:09

eek what the hell are you going on about Revol,as usual we see the Libcom nutters getting involved with there really clever (clicky) threads,surely you are mad.

Irish rebellion crushed

AN Irish pub which encouraged punters to light up in defiance of smoking laws has given in to government pressure. Ciaran Levanzin and Ronan Lawless, joint owners of Fibber Magee's in Galway, agreed to remove ashtrays from the tables rather than face the prospect of jail. But the landlords are believed to be considering legal action following disastrous losses since Ireland became the first country to ban smoking in the workplace. The city centre pub saw business treble when it declared its resistance to the law earlier this week.

Steven.
Sep 19 2005 17:16
andycrap wrote:
Where is the proof that smoking harms your baby?theres evidence that passive smoking doesny put you in higher risk of cancer,for or against.

Oh my god that's a quote worthy of gangster himself!! "Where is the proof that smoking harms your baby?" Jesus.

So now at least you recognise people don't have a choice to work in smoky environments. What you just think they should be forced to?

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I mean thats barmy...What would you do if you had two gays/lesbians in the room,would you clean it or you may think you get aids.

Rule by fear in you case mate..

That's utterly ridiculous. Breathing second hand smoke DAMAGES YOUR HEALTH. Pub workers still have to go into designated smoking areas, thus exposing them to dangerous second-hand smoke.

You cannot catch AIDS off glasses - in fact it is impossible to catch AIDS off anyone in any way.

Do you at least acknowledge that the majority of the working class don't smoke?

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 17:23

Oh my god that's a quote worthy of gangster himself!! "Where is the proof that smoking harms your baby?" Jesus.

That is below the belt claiming my post are the same as gangsters,well where is the proof?or are you going to quote from Liberal no smoking campaigns,as i said there is proof for and against.

So now at least you recognise people don't have a choice to work in smoky environments. What you just think they should be forced to?

This is not what the thread is about is it?

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You cannot catch AIDS off glasses - in fact it is impossible to catch AIDS off anyone in any way.

owww hang on a minute so you can catch cancer from glasses?

Do you at least acknowledge that the majority of the working class don't smoke?

Of course i do did i ever say that?

are you with that mad twat revol?

andycrap
Sep 19 2005 17:44

roll eyes Stick to the thread revol

and of course the working class can eat salmon just as long as its tinned and a smoker hasnt tinned the salmon as you will be liable to catch cancer...... tongue