What is it that must be done...

Stop importing cars
7% (1 vote)
Turn Peugeot’s assets over to the workers
50% (7 votes)
Enforce redundancy benefits that maintain workers’ income security
21% (3 votes)
Peugeot workers must strike to save their jobs
14% (2 votes)
All of the above
0% (0 votes)
Other (Please State)
7% (1 vote)
Total votes: 14

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Lazy Riser
Apr 18 2006 16:51

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Lazy Riser
Apr 18 2006 16:51

Hi

Say we just gave every sacked Peugeot worker 300,000 quid...

2300 x 300,000 = £690 Million

Print it off. Anyway, you decide...

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LR

jef costello
Apr 18 2006 17:40

Make tanks, give them to the workers.

petey
Apr 18 2006 18:07

are there debts in addition to assets? who gets those?

Lazy Riser
Apr 18 2006 18:08

Hi

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Peugeot workers must strike to save their jobs

Who voted for this? Must have been a SolFed member.

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LR

Joseph Kay
Apr 18 2006 18:09
Jef Costello wrote:
Make tanks, give them to the workers.

black bloc

Lazy Riser
Apr 18 2006 18:11

Hi

Quote:
are there debts in addition to assets? who gets those?

Indeed. Most popular option too. How would they suddenly find a market for those cars? I’m not sure a self-managed enterprise would help income security anymore than one run by the current Peugeot bosses.

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LR

Joseph Kay
Apr 18 2006 18:51
Lazy Riser wrote:
I’m not sure a self-managed enterprise would help income security anymore than one run by the current Peugeot bosses.

but at least we'd get to see some self-managed asset stripping black bloc grin

petey
Apr 18 2006 19:05
Lazy Riser wrote:
How would they suddenly find a market for those cars? I’m not sure a self-managed enterprise would help income security anymore than one run by the current Peugeot bosses.

yyyyyyyyyup. if there was still money in it, there'd be no layoffs. the only thing i can imagine is that hours would have to be cut to keep everyone on at some level. but i'm no economist.

Lazy Riser
Apr 18 2006 22:15

Hi

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Peugeot workers must strike to save their jobs

2 votes! Could the comrades who propose this explain how that's going to work.

Love

LR

Jacques Roux
Apr 19 2006 11:00
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Union officials at Peugeot-Citroen today raised the threat of industrial action to fight the French car giant's decision to close its UK factory with the loss of 2,300 jobs.

British union leaders are expected to contact their French counterparts to seek solidarity support as part of protests against the planned closure of the Ryton factory in Coventry.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1756624,00.html

Lazy Riser
Apr 19 2006 11:06

Hi

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British union leaders are expected to contact their French counterparts to seek solidarity support

What a excellent bunch of comrades those British Union Leaders are. They’ll save the day, and no mistake.

Love

LR

Jacques Roux
Apr 19 2006 11:10

Dunno what you are trying to say there wink

I 'bolded' that bit 'cos dont often see that happening and i found it interesting... infact i cant remember ever having seen that before, and it makes sense in whatever they are up to with transnational companies etc.

Ghost_of_the_re...
Apr 19 2006 11:30

Cars = evil

Car manufacture = evil

Solution to closure of factory? Cope.

Jacques Roux
Apr 19 2006 11:34

That doesnt sound like a very good solution in a long term or short term scenario.... for anyone involved!

Caiman del Barrio
Apr 19 2006 11:36
Ghost_of_the_revolution wrote:
Cars = evil

And people wonder why anarchism's stuck in the ghetto...

Steven.
Apr 19 2006 11:36
Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi
Quote:
Peugeot workers must strike to save their jobs

2 votes! Could the comrades who propose this explain how that's going to work.

Love

LR

I voted by mistake, meant to vote for enforce redundancy benefits (unless the international solidarity option - a joint French-British strike - was one. It would be worth trying that first). Something a la Cellatex might win some benefits:

http://libcom.org/history/articles/cellatex-occupation-2000/index.php

Turning the assets to the workers is foolish, they're obviously not going to be competitive, or else they wouldn't be shutting it down. So what are they going to do, slash their own wages? Lay off each other? Self-managed exploitation is balls.

Jacques Roux
Apr 19 2006 11:43

I voted for you john 8)

Lazy Riser
Apr 19 2006 12:52

Hi

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I voted by mistake, meant to vote for enforce redundancy benefits

The nihilist position. Well done. I heard today that for every employee sacked from Peugeot, three more are likely to loose their jobs in dependant businesses. The bourge already realise that, alongside the jobs, they’re exporting the incomes required to buy their shiny new commodities. It's no wonder the poorest 50% are only half as wealthy than they were in 1990, and for what? So that middle class people can add another buy-to-let to their portfolios.

These plans have nothing to do with “cost”, even setting the damage to domestic spending power aside, it’s not as if robots couldn’t do it faster and cheaper than Eastern Europeans or even Chinese. It’s a deliberate piece of bourgeois social policy designed to put as much distance between primary production facilities and the domestic working class.

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Of course, we could stop this happening by banning Chinese imports, or by imposing import tariffs that would compensate for their cheap labour low production cost advantage and make them compete on a level playing field with our own produce.

But New Labour, the Tories and Lib-Dems will never do that. They will keep us and our industries trapped in a web of globalized trade rules and regulations (GATT), and helpless to stop an ever greater flood of cheap Chinese imports being poured in to poison our economy.

Any BNP councillors standing in Coventry? I wonder how they’ll do.

Love

LR

petey
Apr 19 2006 13:19
Lazy Riser wrote:
Quote:
Of course, we could stop this happening by banning Chinese imports, or by imposing import tariffs that would compensate for their cheap labour low production cost advantage and make them compete on a level playing field with our own produce.

But New Labour, the Tories and Lib-Dems will never do that. They will keep us and our industries trapped in a web of globalized trade rules and regulations (GATT), and helpless to stop an ever greater flood of cheap Chinese imports being poured in to poison our economy.

is this quoted with approval? that's a plain question, not a loaded one.

Joseph Kay
Apr 19 2006 13:23

yeah Lazy where's that quote from? (if you put ="name" between the e of quote and ] in the first quote tag you can put the name in.

he doesn't look approving, hence the BNP comment - but i can't see who said the quote ... confused

Sorry.
Apr 19 2006 14:03
John. wrote:
Turning the assets to the workers is foolish, they're obviously not going to be competitive, or else they wouldn't be shutting it down. So what are they going to do, slash their own wages? Lay off each other? Self-managed exploitation is balls.

Not that I necessarilly disagree with you, but the plant made a profit last yr. So it's currently a profitable going concern. They're shutting down to shift production to Eastern Europe.

Lazy Riser
Apr 19 2006 14:04

Hi

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is this quoted with approval? that's a plain question, not a loaded one.

Hardly.

Quote:
yeah Lazy where's that quote from

BNP website.

Quote:
if you put ="name" between the e of quote and ] in the first quote tag you can put the name in.

Don’t patronise me, I’m an engineer.

Love

LR

Steven.
Apr 19 2006 14:05
Sorry. wrote:
John. wrote:
Turning the assets to the workers is foolish, they're obviously not going to be competitive, or else they wouldn't be shutting it down. So what are they going to do, slash their own wages? Lay off each other? Self-managed exploitation is balls.

Not that I necessarilly disagree with you, but the plant made a profit last yr. So it's currently a profitable going concern. They're shutting down to shift production to Eastern Europe.

Yeah but the question is not profit in itself, it's the maximum amount of profit.

Lazy Riser
Apr 19 2006 14:07

Hi

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They're shutting down to shift production to Eastern Europe.

I understand three manufacturers will be rebadging the same product built in a new super-plant. They’re calling it a “platform” or something.

Love

LR

Lazy Riser
Apr 19 2006 14:08

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it's the maximum amount of profit

Nope. It’s systematic deindustrialisation to maintain the elite’s social status, at any cost.

Love

LR

Joseph Kay
Apr 19 2006 14:10
Lazy Riser wrote:
Don’t patronise me, I’m an engineer.

hmm changed my mind. professionals are first against the wall. viva pol pot! star green black wink

Sorry.
Apr 19 2006 14:13
John. wrote:
Sorry. wrote:
John. wrote:
Turning the assets to the workers is foolish, they're obviously not going to be competitive, or else they wouldn't be shutting it down. So what are they going to do, slash their own wages? Lay off each other? Self-managed exploitation is balls.

Not that I necessarilly disagree with you, but the plant made a profit last yr. So it's currently a profitable going concern. They're shutting down to shift production to Eastern Europe.

Yeah but the question is not profit in itself, it's the maximum amount of profit.

for peugeot yeah, not for a workers co-op (though for a variety of other reasons, it still probably wouldn't work)

My_Guinness
Apr 19 2006 14:32

Going on strike is pointless at this stage and would give the company the perfect opportunity to shut the plant down completely earlier than scheduled, and save the a few quid in wages.

Mike Harman
Apr 22 2006 08:14

http://money.guardian.co.uk/workweekly/story/0,,1758464,00.html

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he workers at the condemned Peugeot plant at Ryton near Coventry, stupefied by the confirmation of what they had long feared, survey an empty horizon for alternatives to acceptance. Once, at about the time some of the Ryton workers got their first jobs, there would have been no need to think. They would go on strike.

A strike in defence of the Ryton jobs in those far-off days would be supported by car workers across the country. There would be mass demonstrations in sympathy. There would probably be talks at No 10, or at least tea at the Department of Employment (RIP).

In the end, the government would intervene: a contract would be found, a subsidy paid out, jobs would be saved ... until the next time, at least.

This week, the trade union leaders who talked of a strike got little support from the workers. "What's the point," one asked, "they'd only shut us down sooner."