12 Rules for What podcast

A podcast about fascists, nazis, and far right, from the perspective of the left.

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E01: Introduction to the 12 Rules for What podcast

Introductory episode of the 12 Rules for What podcast on fascism, antifascism and the far right.

The Far Right is building. But it doesn't always come as a street movement marching in black. Often it’s smarter than that, often more insidious, often more inclined to infect culture than impose itself on the political, and often just plain weird. In this podcast we investigate the surreal, disconnected world of the far right, with a view to fighting it. Fighting it requires not only effective organising, but effective thinking as well. We host interviews with comrades, discussions of the main themes of far right theory and practice, and in-depth analyses of particular movements and people within it.

If you want to go a bit deeper, we recommend some reading for you:

Josephine Armistead - The Silicon Ideology
Armistead gives a summary of some attempts to analyse Fascism in the 20th Century

Umberto Eco - Eternal Fascism
Eco attempts to summarise some tendencies in common between reactionary and fascist movements

Robert Paxton - The Anatomy of Fascism
An authoritative and comprehensive account of fascist regimes and movements

E02: Fascism and Masculinity

The 12 Rules for What podcast are joined by Amy from Feminist Anti-Fascists to discuss fascism and masculinity.


Fascism has a deep relationship with masculinity. Arguably, fascism arose as an attempt to shore up traditional masculinity against the ‘slimy mire of bourgeois life’. From the creation of a ‘fascist new man’ in Italy to the misogyny of the contemporary trad movements and pick up artists, these more widespread cultural movements make fertile ground for the fascist movements which follow them. We speak with Amy from the Feminist Anti-Fascist Assembly to discuss their response to fascist masculinity and the centrality of feminism to anti-fascist work.

Plan C - Feminist Antifascism
A clear and impassioned statement on the importance of placing feminism at the heart of anti-fascist work

Klaus Theweleit - Male Fantasies
An exhilarating experimental book dealing with the rise of the Freikorps movement in German after WWI

Hypergamy: How the harebrained notions of white nationalist F. Roger Devlin took the Manosphere by storm
Introduces a foundational text of contemporary misogyny, written by white supremacist F. Roger Devlin

E03: All About Steve (Tommy Robinson)

We discuss the UK's leading far right activist, Tommy Robinson, and are joined for an interview by two members of London Antifascists.

Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is the ‘great white whale’ of the anti-fascist movement: impossible to pin down and always abe to reinvent himself. He’s been at the forefront of the EDL, has teamed up with Quilliam, founded the British version of Pegida, joined far-right outlet Rebel Media, and has now struck out as a kind of extremist citizen journalist.

In this show we talk about the propaganda of Tommy Robinson, the affective bond he has created with his audience and the impact his recent banning from social media and fundraising platforms will have on him. We also interview two activists from London Antifascists on Tommy Robinson.




E04: Neofascism

12 Rules for What discuss the concept of neo-fascism as a political label and tool of analysis.

Neo-fascism describes a set of political attempts by the far right to reform themselves in a way that is palatable to post-War European electorates. What is the use of the term for us? In this episode we discuss neo fascism, and distinguish between different fascisms - which can manifest as both movements and states.


E05: On the Christchurch Attack

Alex from 12 Rules For What makes an appearance on Dissident Island to discuss the Christchurch shooting

Alex gives an analysis of the twisted politics used to justify the cowardly New Zealand mosque attack

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You can hear the rest of the show here: www.dissidentisland.org/show/dissiden…-episode-230/

E06: Fascism and the Occult

!2 Rules for What discusses the historical and contemporary interactions of fascist movements and occult thinking.

A discussion on fascism and the occult with left youtuber Angie Speaks. We talk about the nazis and the occult, fascist paganism and a possible left subversion of fascist occultism.

Reference particularly made in this epsiode to Eric Kurlander's Hiter's Monsters which is highly recommended.



E07: National Action

12 Rules for What are joined by journalist James Poulter to discuss the neo-nazi extremist group National Action

National Action was one of the most extreme groups on the far right before they were banned in 2016. One of their members recently came to prominence for have plotted to kill his MP and a police officer investigating him for grooming young boys for sex in an act of 'White Jihad' . Their combination of obscene stunts, unabashed racism and their full embrace of national socialism quickly led to both notoriety and their eventual dissipation.

National Action members are still active today, and the threat of a lone wolf act of terrorism are ever acute, especially in the wake of the Christchurch terror attacks. We are joined by journalist James Poulter to discuss the history of the group, their extremist politics and how they fit into the international national socialist scene.





E08: Generation Identity

The 12 Rules for What podcast discusses the white supremacist identitarian group Generation Identity.

Generation Identity is a pan-European movement on the far right. They use a seemingly neutral ('remigration' and 'the great replacement') as a code for what they really want: a white ethnostate across Europe and the forced deportation of people of colour. Their European chapters have been involved in some eye-catching stunts, yet their UK grouping hasn't really caught on.

In the studio, we are joined by journalist James Poulter and trade union activist and antifascist Tommy to discuss why Generation Identity has floundered, their likelihood for success, and how we can oppose their genocidal politics.

E09: The National Front in the 1970s

12 Rules for What is joined by historian Dave Renton to discuss the National Front in the 1970s (UK).

The National Front was the most prominent group on the UK far right in the 1970s. We discuss their history and politics through the 70s and chart their transformations, from their rejection of street politics to their later marches, and from their initial uneasy coalition of far-right forces to their ultimate implosion. How did anti-fascist action lead to their collapse? What lessons are to be learned from their successes now?

For further reading, we recommend David Renton's book Never Again: Rock Against Racism and the Anti-Nazi League 1976-1982

E10: Strategic Antifascism with Mark Bray

12 Rules for What is joined by historian and activist Mark Bray to discuss his book, Antifa: the antifascist handbook.

Mark Bray is a political organizer and historian of human rights, terrorism, and political radicalism in Modern Europe. He's also the author of the excellent 'Antifa' from 2017, and he came into the studio to talk about it and antifascism with us. Also in this episode, we have a discussion about strategic antifascism, the London Anti-Fascist Assembly (LAFA) and our recent article in Freedom News

E11: The Brexit Party and UKIP

12 Rules for What discusses the prospects of the Brexit Party and UKIP in ligjht of the European elections.

The Brexit Party are the breakout party of the European elections. Unlike rival upstarts Change UK, Farage's ragtag grouping surged to first place and are set to agitate for Brexit within the European Parliament.

We discuss the Brexit Party's prospects going forward, and examine how Farage's old party, UKIP, have fared after a dismal showing in the elections.

E12: Against Ecofascism with the Green Anticapitalist Front

12 Rules for What are joined by the Green Anticapitalist Front to discuss Ecofascism.

Ecofascism is an essential part of how the far right is going to change over the next few decades. It's the cynical belief that the coming climate breakdown can be used by the far right to harden borders, further police migration, and blame non-white people. It rests on dodgy science, bad arguments, and racial hatred. It needs to be urgently confronted as a tendency, even though it doesn't yet have a group who express it explicitly.

From Identity Evropa's (American Identity Movement)campaign for the deportation of migrants to defend the environment to Marine Le Pen's abandonment of climate science denial, Ecofascism is an increasingly important and prominent part of the far right, and will only become more so as the climate crisis deepens.






E13: Lies Damned Lies and Andy Ngo

12 Rules for What discuss the fake concrete milkshaking of fake journalist Andy Ngo on the 29th of Jun 2019 in Portland Oregon and discuss how antifascists can counter the tactic of disinformation from the far right.

At the end of June the 'western chauvinist' far right fraternity the Proud Boys, demonstrated in Portland and antifascists mobilised to oppse them.

Andy Ngo, a 'journalist' who has consistently sided with the far right, was milkshaked by antifascists.

We clear up some of the disinformation surrounding the events, talk about their wider significance, and chat about how antifascists can stop the spread of disinformation and false rumours.

Further readings:




E14: Alt Right Radicalisation with Emerican Johnson

12 Rules for WHAT discuss the processes of radicalisation developed by the alt right and interview youtuber Emercian Johnson on edgy memes and stoccastic terrorism.

What are the basic emotions that the far right draws on? How does the internet produce Nazis? What happened to the cat memes? We talk to Emerican Johnson of the youtube channel Non-compete to find out.

In this episode, we discuss online radicalisation, and the pewdiepipeline - Emerican Johnson's framework for thinking about the way people are drawn to the far right through edgy memes and joke. Also in this episode, we read from the deradicalisation stories we were sent by listeners.

Video on the PewDiePipeline: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw

Video on Masculinity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQ2B5cQ_gs

Data and Society report on the Alternative Influence Network datasociety.net/output/alternative-influence/

Politigram: joshuacitarella.com/_pdf/Politigram…_2018_short.pdf


E15: Tommy Robinson's career in 'journalism'

12 Rules for What are joined by journalist James Poulter to discuss far right political activist Tommy Robinson's career in fake journalism and the propects for the Free Tommy campaignin 2019.

As Tommy Robinson was sent to prison for the second time for commiting contempt of court he wore a shirt enblazoned with the words 'Convicted of Journalism'. His career as a fake journalist fits into a wider trend of far right and fascist propagandists taking on the mantle of journalist to provide cover for their hateful politics.

We are joined by actual journalist James Poulter, who has extensively covered Tommy Robinson, to discuss how Robinson came to style himself a citizen journalist, the make up of the far right coalition that coalacesed around Robinson in 2017-18 and the prospects for the Free Tommy movement in 2019.

Danny Tommo failed kidnapper: www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/bun…empt-1-7501996

Rebel media meltdown: nationalpost.com/news/canada/poli…ltdown-continues

E16: For Green Antifascism

12 Rules for What return for part 2 of our investigation into ecofascism.

Ecofascism exists at the moment as a collection of memes and disperate thoughts, but it had the potential to be an important part of the future far right. We discuss how to fight it, and how we can build a green antifascism.

E17: The Return of Free Tommy w/ LAFA and FAF

12 Rules for What are joined by activists involved in the latest counter protests to the Free Tommy demonstrations.

The 3rd and the 24th August 2019 saw the return of the Free Tommy movement to London - much bedraggled, smaller than before, and with anti-fascists turning out to stop them.

In this episode, we sit down with organisers from the London Anti-fascist Assembly and Feminist Anti-fascist Assembly to discuss the two demonstrations, the antifascist response, and the complex and the prospects for anti-fascism in London.

E18: The New Authoritarians w/ Dave Renton

!2 Rules for WHAT talk to author Dave Renton about his latest book, The New Authoritarians: Convergence on the Right.

Blurb for the book:

All across the world, right-wing politics is shifting, with conservative and hard-right proponents allying. From Donald Trump to Marine Le Pen, these figureheads agree on issues that would have been considered extreme to previous generations, causing many to label them as fascists.

But is this too simplistic? If they are not fascists, what are their politics?

In The New Authoritarians, David Renton approaches the problem from a new perspective. He identifies an emergent and deeply troubling form of right-wing radicalism, at once more moderate than classical fascism in its political strategy, yet indulgent of the racism of its most extreme components. In country after country, under the clouds of economic austerity and post-9/11 Islamophobia, the right is converging and strengthening. To understand why is the first step to stopping them.

E19: The Proscription of National Action and the Trouble with State Antifascism

12 Rules for WHAT discuss the effects of the proscription of National Action.

12 Rules for WHAT has written an afterword to The Trouble with National Action, a new book by Mark Hayes out from Freedom Press. National Action was proscribed by the UK government in December 2016. We discuss the meaning of proscription, its effects on the National Action and the extreme right in the UK, and put the proscription into the history of state anti-fascism.

E20: The 43 Group w/ Daniel Sonabend

12 Rules for WHAT sit down with author and historian Dan Sonabend to discuss his new book about the 43 Group and their legacy.

It might be difficult to imagine fascists had any pull in post WW2 Britain. Yet, when Jewish ex-servicemen returned home they found fascist activity springing up all over London, and especially in the East End.

Some of those ex servicemen decided to do something about it. Joining with other Londoners - Jews, gentiles, men and women - they built a street fighting organisation that physically disrupted fascist activity. They named their new organisation the 43 Group.