Bristol Anarchist Federation on Channel 4 News

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Jan 11 2015 14:03

I personally think the people interviewed did pretty well to avoid falling in the traps that journo was laying. This thread has made me think a bit and its a good point that if they had openly confirmed their condemnation for the burning of the teachers and fire fighters' cars then it only would be used against them (i.e BUT YOU DONT CONDEMN BURNING THE COPS PLACE?). Despite this though I still reckon it would have been good to be a bit more clear that the car burning was stupid and hardly in line with sensible anarchist politics and practice.

Also people have made a point about giving them a condemnation being fuel for a good anarchist vs bad anarchist thing but to be honest, like, when whoever burned these cars are clearly fucking idiots and bad anarchists, if anarchists at all, then whats the problem. There are clearly good anarchists and bad ones.

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Jan 10 2015 12:00
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Also people have made a point about giving them a condemnation being fuel for a good anarchist vs anarchist thing but to be honest, like, when whoever burned these cars are clearly fucking idiots and bad anarchists, if anarchists at all, then whats the problem. There are clearly good anarchists and bad ones.

yeah, I agree with this as well. Hakim Bey is a "bad anarchist" and I would have no problem publicly condemning him because he's a nonce.

I can appreciate the people interviewed were in a difficult situation. Not sure how I would have responded TBH. I mean I do condemn the attacks on the retired workers' cars, but then you would get into the bind of being asked about the other attacks. So probably I would just decline to be interviewed with this issue as the backdrop.

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Mar 24 2015 23:36

This might interest some people.

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Mar 25 2015 15:27

Well I read that 'This might interest some people' despite it not having any reason given to tempt us! and first re-read the previous discussion where I think 'Ocelot' made the most relevant critical points about the mistaken (in my opinion) Bristol AF co-operation with the capitalist media.... and so this strident criticism of the AF from an apparently 'anarchist insurrectionary' perspective makes some equally very valid points about the foolishness and weakness of the Bristol AF approach and anarchist co-operation with the capitalist media more generally. But the statement seems contradictory in so far as whilst apparently accepting there is validity in anarchists critically discussing different strategies and tactics and therefore (again in my opinion) it would be right to criticise the self-important, self-defeating and moralisticly based anarchist insurrectionist politics on display here, this is then is just as openly available for the capitalist press to use and distort to their own advantage which they will inevitably do from time to time - something which occassional sabotage of media infrastructure is unlikely to deter.

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Mar 25 2015 17:59

I just watched the video again. It's clearly a stitch up job but all the same some of the 'actions' highlighted were pretty daft - it came across to me a bit like anarchism as a leisure activity more than anything else. Really the conclusion seems to be just don't bother. You don't stand a chance,

As for Comrade Badger, it's revealed that he has a Crass tattoo on his left arm, well, confession time, so do I! Sorry about that. However, I can prove that I'm definitely not him. Due to my advanced years and possibly the gallons of hair dye poured on my teenage Barnet, these days I'm only capable of growing a reverse or 'negative' mohican.

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Mar 26 2015 07:45
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Due to my advanced years and possibly the gallons of hair dye poured on my teenage Barnet, these days I'm only capable of growing a reverse or 'negative' mohican.

For future reference, you can call that a nohawk

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Mar 26 2015 08:03
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Comedy gold!

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Mar 31 2015 14:21

That dining with vultures article is a pile of shit in my opinion. It contradicts itself on the matter of silence. It first criticizes bristol afed for remaining silent during the 2011 'uprisings' (apparently breaking windows and stealing big tv's is uprising) and then goes on to say

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Another approach exists for who disagrees, one which doesn’t publicly feed the media-police strategy nor gloss over real differences – silence.

Also it constantly criticises what it sees as the 'guilty/innocent' dichotomy. This is truly ridiculous, to try to frame this as some sort of legalistic framework that only serves to aid the state and that we should all oppose and avoid arguing in terms of is absurd. I don't think anyone would have a problem with people being accused of rape guilty by default (much as I found out on a past thread I started). I don't think I would see any one saying 'ohh but there is no 'you either did it or no you didn't etc as dismissed in the context of 'actions' they mention.

As a last point, I think referring to direct action as propaganda of the deed is symptomatic of quite a typically insurrectionist/lifestylist flaw in the authors politics.

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Feb 19 2017 15:48
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"anarchism as a leisure activity"

Maybe the interviewees could apply for a Passport to Leisure?
They could get good discounts then smile

I have watched the interview and it left me wishing it was more in depth but I strongly suspect this lack of depth can be put down to the

"heavy editing"

that happened.