What do you think of the UK?

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May 31 2016 16:44

What is a "vacation"?

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May 31 2016 16:51

Landlords' euphemism for the process of kicking you and your family out onto the street?

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May 31 2016 16:56

Agent - it's a vacation.

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May 31 2016 17:55
Noah Fence wrote:
Agent - it's a vacation.

You posted this twice already.

And I was joking when I asked that.

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May 31 2016 18:36

Agent - it's a vacation.

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May 31 2016 21:38
Ed wrote:
People are way too deferential to rules and generally a bit cynical
We prefer to put up with shit than 'make a scene' (whatever you do, don't make a scene!)

That's all very southern of you, Ed. But then, where I come from, we'll start an argument in an empty room grin

Talking of where I come from, it's my old local...

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Jun 1 2016 22:46
Ed wrote:
The food is shite

Agree with most of what you say, however this is one stereotype which is no longer valid. While it's true that a lot of food is shit (as is the case just about everywhere outside of Italy, Spain, China, France, Japan), eating out there is loads of absolutely amazing food, particularly in London but also elsewhere, including many of the world's best restaurants. We also have massively diverse cuisine, much better than most places.

With the rest, this particularly is spot on:

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More like America than the rest of Europe…

Positives

More like Europe than America

As is this:

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People here are hands down the funniest in the world
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Jun 2 2016 00:04
Champion Ruby wrote:
Well, I'm Australian. There's a lot in common between Australia and the UK; like I don't get either country's obsession with the monarchy and cooking shows. Generally speaking I found the UK to be a lot more unfriendly than other countries I've visited though, seems like there's some sort of ingrained cynicism that makes me glad that my great-grandparents left. I spent a few months in Glasgow .

I think I've spotted yer problem there big man.

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Jun 2 2016 01:21

London speak, eg. 'fam' is not cool and it's not clever.

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Jun 2 2016 02:23

A Chinese nationalist view:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/866259.shtml

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/05/12/global_times_reacts_to_queens_comments.php

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Jun 2 2016 02:45

The EPL is a massive export even if English footballers aren't. It's more competitive than Spain, Italy, France, etc. and while I don't think we have the best atmospheres in the world, you'll never see a Leicester or a Wigan elsewhere.

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Jun 2 2016 05:08

Oh and I like the IT Crowd. And Peaky Blinders.

You brits make good television sometimes

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Jun 2 2016 07:18

This is a good reason to like the UK.

https://youtu.be/XvsdlIY9sJw

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Jun 2 2016 09:14

A lot of what British people eat is crap but like Steven says a lot of very good stuff is pretty easily available and the variety is usually pretty good.
And French restaurants are desperately aping UK/US trends and ethnic restaurants can be more open about their origins, in the sense that rather than just Chinese/lebanese/kebab places you can eat a variety of different food from or inspired by a wide vairety of cultures and traditions. I sound so food network sad
I ate in a very good Korean street food place the other day. If I start talking about comfort food I'm throwing myself out of a window.

I remember getting picked up at the airport in Glasgow by a friend who started talking to someone in the lift and I thought she'd bumped into a friend but it was just a casual chat. But I think that's something that happens in general in big cities where you don't and can't know the majority of people you meet, athough I do like the french habit of greeting the room when you go into a shop, I remember an old lady doing it on the metro.

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Jun 2 2016 10:14

Now that you mention food... and Glasgow... the worst ever pakora I ate was what I bought in the city centre there. It must have been refried at least 10 fucking times. Second worst I got was in Moston, Manchester. Possibly refried only 8 or 9 times. My stomach still lurches at the memory.

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Jun 2 2016 21:47

I'm not so sure about the level or quality of culture in the coming while. This recent interview with David Graeber had some interesting closing points.

http://magazine.ouishare.net/2016/01/the-era-of-predatory-bureaucratization-an-interview-with-david-graeber/

Expanded upon a bit more here: http://thebaffler.com/salvos/despair-fatigue-david-graeber

The impact of 3rd level fees and the lack of affordability in London, for studio and work spaces as well as rent more generally, probably still hasn't been felt yet but it is beginning.

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Jun 3 2016 07:27

After living in London for almost a year I’d got to like Italian food. So on a visit to Paisley, just outside Glasgow, in 1976, I ordered some lasagna in a café. Boy was I disappointed, it was like chewing warm rubber.

Years ago the best eating out in Glasgow was Indian. There were several good cheap places under the heilin’ man’s umbrella. They did a roaring trade. All gone now, part of a dual carriageway. I’ve heard there is good food available in places like Byers Road. Not been back in yonks.

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Jun 4 2016 03:31

https://youtu.be/OzxMjBEazas

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Jun 4 2016 13:45

I travelled outside of Australia for the first time in 2012. It was pretty mindblowing to see the origins of a lot of the colonial stuff.

In the UK at Christmas time, things actually looked like they do on Christmas cards. Actually, a lot of the Christmas things make more sense there than here. I don't know why I found that so hilarious.

As others have pointed out, it seemed really common for people to drink until they couldn't control themselves. That happens in Australia, but I saw it a LOT when I was there. The level of alcohol-fuelled violence seemed about the same.

Poverty there looks way more grim, and ready to play sport at any time. Again, it's similar here but there are more people wearing shellsuits there.

First class carriages on trains. What the actual fuck. And the Tube is actually a tube.

Chip butties are monstrously disgusting and your entire culture should be ashamed of it. You can make a chip sandwich here, of course, but no-one pretends it's normal. Food in general was of a lower quality than what you can get here.

I only heard it a couple of times, but I couldn't believe the posh English accent wasn't a parody.

Also this:

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Jun 5 2016 10:12

I think England is a fantastic country that is a credit in that it's contributions to Science,literature,culture,sport etc are groundbreaking and this is due to its people not because of the parasites in Buckingham Palace or the brothel of Parliament or the rapefest and butchery of the British Empire.
Paraphrasing Rocker loving your country is separate from patriotism which is love of State.Our oppressors deliberately confuse these facts in order to manipulate us and promote Nationalism as a break on class consciousness.
The natural beauty of our countryside,the regional differences of Mancunians,scousers,cockneys,Geordies etc and the idiosyncrasies that involves and the contributions to the world at large eg;Stephensons Rocket,DNA structure,Babbages Computer etc
These were a great influence for people worldwide with no need for bloody imperialism or the butchers apron of the Union Jack.

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Jun 5 2016 10:45
infektfm wrote:
Oh and I like the IT Crowd. And Peaky Blinders.

You brits make good television sometimes

ha ha that looks like the kind of thing I would say to annoy revol68. The IT Crowd was made by Irish people

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Jun 13 2016 07:35

Hahaha! Such lolz!

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Jun 13 2016 07:36
Lumpen wrote:
I travelled outside of Australia for the first time in 2012. It was pretty mindblowing to see the origins of a lot of the colonial stuff.

In the UK at Christmas time, things actually looked like they do on Christmas cards. Actually, a lot of the Christmas things make more sense there than here. I don't know why I found that so hilarious.

As others have pointed out, it seemed really common for people to drink until they couldn't control themselves. That happens in Australia, but I saw it a LOT when I was there. The level of alcohol-fuelled violence seemed about the same.

Poverty there looks way more grim, and ready to play sport at any time. Again, it's similar here but there are more people wearing shellsuits there.

First class carriages on trains. What the actual fuck. And the Tube is actually a tube.

Chip butties are monstrously disgusting and your entire culture should be ashamed of it. You can make a chip sandwich here, of course, but no-one pretends it's normal. Food in general was of a lower quality than what you can get here.

I only heard it a couple of times, but I couldn't believe the posh English accent wasn't a parody.

Also this:

I was referring to the big book of british smiles ofcourse, classic.

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Sep 8 2016 14:40

The English Gentleman stereotype ala Colin Firth or Sherlock is still a thing. I think it's one to aspire to, certainly beats George Formby -_-

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Sep 9 2016 12:51

I'm from England and have travelled around Europe quite a lot.

There are lots of stereotypes getting flung around on this thread. One thing I'd say is don't judge a country by its portrayal in the establishment media. They tend to be London-centric and deeply conservative. At the moment, following Brexit, there's also a curious atmosphere which, for outsiders, may appear conservative and isolationist but it's way more complex. England is a very divided country but the left is presently struggling to organise. I'm optimistic about the future, though...

It's been a very functional country so it's not aesthetically beautiful like a lot of European countries although there are a lot of nice cities which get ignored: York and, Bath are as nice as anywhere I've been to in Europe. There are some very liberal places, too. Bristol and Brighton are great cultural hubs; particularly Bristol. Lots of radical bookshops and charitable things going on.

Like everywhere in the world, England has some great people and a decent art scene.The 'poor food' stereotype is untrue. It's very diverse for food owed to post WW2-immigration from the Commonwealth. Right now there is a lively movement of socialists, anarchists and other progressive groups which are beginning to create their own media and their own culture. After years of corporate domination, people are getting to grips with the power of the internet and things are moving at an astonishing rate.

The weather is shit, though. That's my only grumble. After this it's not radically different to many other places.

The other thing is that it's been a great place for the arts and also comedy. The music scene has always been cutting edge; particularly in electronic music. This is still the case now.

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Apr 28 2017 16:58

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/people-at-heathrow-departures-told-us-what-they-made-of-the-uk

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Apr 28 2017 17:47

Unlike in some countries, you can generally tell how well off people are by how they dress and some people take pride in being scruffy.

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Apr 28 2017 23:27
fidel gastro wrote:
What do I think of the UK? Very conformist and conservative, class system going stronger than ever before. Very sexist and xenophobic. Too many buns, too much sportswear, crudeness, very uneducated unrefined sheeple. A rich culture (Keats, Shelley, Byron, Wilde, Morris, Russell) neglected and ignored by most of the British public who much prefer the X Factor, Facebook etc. I guess it's not always the case but on the whole thats what the people are like. The most popular newspapers being the Daily Mail and the Sun. A working class that are their own worst enemy. The ale houses and countryside are nice though, as is the national dish (being curry ofcourse).

That probably is crap politics but it also rings true to me. You have to admit that the British, especially the English, actively go against their own interests and are the least militant in Europe and you can probably put it down to a serious inability to think for themselves. They come across as obsequious. Thats what I think Fidel is getting at here, aswell as a 'poverty of spirit' that is certainly present in the UK and elsewhere in the world. To ignore that is to fail to face reality.

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Apr 29 2017 18:06

Well, a different place from where I'm from.

Aside from that, I find Brits to be fun, interesting yet grumpy people.
I mean, if it was shitty weather here much of the time, I'd be grumpy too.
Take that back, I don't need crappy weather to be grumpy.

In days of old, I used to find the Brits to be much closer to some of
us in the US than others (aside from the Germans and Aussies). Perhaps it
was simply some commonalities based on language, music (rock, reggae,ska)
and so forth.

That said, I can see how it can be seen as a world unto itself and difficult to
get into its mindset.

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Apr 30 2017 01:18

Great TV and music and literature. As do other countries, but certainly Britain can be prod of it.

England though is absolutely filthy, not just London, all urban areas and much of the countryside, and the air tastes of dirt in London.

Also it is really crowded.

The food is ok though not as good as New Zealand or Australia especially the fish and chips, which are universally soggy and tasteless.

The old buildings are amazing though and just as good as what you can find anywhere else in Europe.