What is the most beautiful song that summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment?

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Aug 6 2011 08:01
What is the most beautiful song that summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment?

For me it is 'Everybody wants to rule the world' by Tears for Fears.

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Aug 6 2011 09:56

NWA - Fuck the Police

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Aug 6 2011 11:10
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NWA - Fuck the Police

My son is right into them, beautiful, to dismantle generational values and apply aesthetic analysis to an environmental and its historical context.

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Aug 6 2011 11:12
Hungry56 wrote:
NWA - Fuck the Police

My son is right into them, beautiful, to dismantle generational values and apply aesthetic analysis to an environment and its historical context.

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Aug 6 2011 14:53

Big Rock Candy Mountain's one. (the finger wagging advice given on this site's reproduction of the lyrics is laughable and totally against the spirit of the song, which was originally written by a Wobbly).

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Aug 6 2011 16:54

Alternatively, there's the Burl Ives version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPqrTaVXJhI

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Aug 6 2011 18:14

The song that’s given me the best buzz recently is ‘No Gods & Precious Few Heroes’, by Dick Gaughan, though its main thrust is anti (Scots) nationalist.

The politico songs that I’ve played longest are probably from Judy Collins’ ‘In My Life’ LP, ‘Pirate Jenny’ and ‘Marat/Sade’. Of course Lotte Lenya’s original version of ‘Pirate Jenny’ is a very powerful statement of proletarian revenge.

My first choice as the finest libertarian communist statement, is not overtly political, it is Leo Kottke’s version of the Kris Kristofferson song, ‘Here Comes That Rainbow Again’. The sentiments speak to a basic decency in human beings without which free communism is only a pipe dream.

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Aug 6 2011 18:38

Wellclose Square:

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Alternatively, there's the Burl Ives version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPqrTaVXJhI

But it's a censored version, Wellclose. It misses out this last verse, imo the best:

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In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin,
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short-handled shovels, no axes, saws or picks,
I'm a-goin' to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I guess the guy who wrote it was influenced by the old 14th century Irish poem The Land Of Cockaygne (translated into modern English):

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Big Rock Candy Mountain, first recorded by Harry McClintock in 1928, is a song about a hobo's idea of paradise, a modern version of the medieval concept of Cockaigne. It is a place where "hens lay soft boiled eggs" and there are "cigarette trees." McClintock claims to have written the song in 1895 based on tales from his misspent youth hoboing through the United States, but some believe the song, or at least aspects of it, have existed for far longer.

(Wikipedia).

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Aug 6 2011 19:05

I’m fairly sure that Pete Seeger recorded a live version of ‘The Big Rock Candy Mountain’ in the sixties, which included the last verse.

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Aug 6 2011 19:13

By the way, that Judy Collins "Marat/Sade" song is taken from the British version of the play "The Marat/Sade" (full title: "The persecution and assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as performed by the inmates of the asylum at Charenton under the direction of the Marquis de Sade"...rolls off the tongue). Remember the song being sung on a demo, probably back in 1970, by John Barker, Jim Greenfield and others, later to become famous for being part of the Angry Brigade. Those were the days. It's a bit Leninist in its original version:

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Marat we're poor
And the poor stay poor
Marat don't make us wait anymore
Poor old Marat they hunt you down
The bloodhounds are sniffing all over the town
Poor old Marat you work til your eyes turn as red as rust
poor old Marat
We trust in you ....

- though it's contradictory, since it also attacks the new ruling class:

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We've got new generals our leaders are new
They sit and they argue and all that they do
Is sell their own colleagues and ride upon their backs
And jail them and break them and give them all the axe
Screaming in language that no one understands
Of the rights that we grabbed with our own bleeding hands
When we wiped out the bosses and stormed through the wall
Of the prison they told us would outlast us all

It's written by Adrian Mitchell, one of those "libertarian" professional poets from that epoch when everything was being questioned, a cultural recuperator, but not bad in terms of the content of his stuff, and certainly reads like something extremely radical in this epoch. Though as this epoch ends and the class struggle hots up in practice, there'll be (and already are) far more recuperators trying to express it as part of their career.
One of the songs from the Marat/Sade goes:

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What's the use of a revolution without general copulation copulation copulation?

and just repeats this loads of times. That surely is

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the most beautiful song that summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment

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Aug 6 2011 19:21

Auld-bod: you're right -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AfIOAC9f1c

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Aug 6 2011 19:24

I don't know about best, but I love Communist moon by The (International) Noise Conspiracy:
http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Communist+Moon/3JeYS8?src=5

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Aug 6 2011 19:33
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Alternatively, there's the Burl Ives version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPqrTaVXJhI

But it's a censored version, Wellclose. It misses out this last verse, imo the best:

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In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin,
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short-handled shovels, no axes, saws or picks,
I'm a-goin' to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I guess the guy who wrote it was influenced by the old 14th century Irish poem The Land Of Cockaygne (translated into modern English):

Quote:
Big Rock Candy Mountain, first recorded by Harry McClintock in 1928, is a song about a hobo's idea of paradise, a modern version of the medieval concept of Cockaigne. It is a place where "hens lay soft boiled eggs" and there are "cigarette trees." McClintock claims to have written the song in 1895 based on tales from his misspent youth hoboing through the United States, but some believe the song, or at least aspects of it, have existed for far longer.

(Wikipedia).

I didn't know that... it just seemed the most obvious (childhood memories and all that). A variant of the Cockaygne/Big Rock Candy Mountain ethos is the song, Poor Man's Heaven, discussed here:
http://radicaljournal.com/protest_songs/poor_mans_heaven.html

On a psychogeographical tangent, the Big Rock Candy Mountain is echoed in another recurring name for mountains - Sugar Loaf. There's a Sugar Loaf near Abergavenny in South Wales and the Sugar Loaf that towers over Rio de Janeiro.

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Aug 6 2011 19:45

Wow! All these songs would make a great compilation. My old man used to play Tom Lehrer, really dry and cutting social satire ragtime piano,,,but ya couldn't dance to it,,,well,,,laughing I suppose is internal dancing,,,

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Aug 6 2011 20:50

In French, these are great - from the album "Pour en finir avec du travail " - "For the end of work" - situ songs, usually detournements of other songs, some produced, like most of these here, during May 68 - by the CMDO, the Committee for Maintaining the Occupations; some were, I think, sung on demos, with the lyrics being distributed like leaflets so everybody could join in, the tunes being fairly well known (...those were the days......my friend, we thought they'd never end). They include songs by Guy Debord and Raoul Vaneigem (and you thought they were staid old theoreticians without a semibreve's worth of musical talent to rub between them):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07ilkw7N7g&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS79_Cz9lfE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9NjBdrkKo&feature=related

http://www.esnips.com/doc/05037a03-677f-4f41-b735-1c2116d9277c/07.-Pour-en-finir-avec-le-travail---Chanson-du-CMDO%281%29

http://www.esnips.com/doc/bee51f3d-bf11-4020-abf3-bcf5c37eb3b4/04.-Pour-en-finir-avec-le-travail---Les-journees-de-mai/nsnext

http://www.esnips.com/doc/8a01326c-e743-43af-ae2a-83ee5d7c71c9/09.-Pour-en-finir-avec-le-travail---Les-bureaucrates-se-ramassent-a-la-pelle/nsnext

http://www.esnips.com/doc/4613de46-a153-4483-b1d1-e2513802b304/08.-Pour-en-finir-avec-le-travail---La-mitraillette/nsnext

http://www.esnips.com/doc/2ac2dae2-0bdf-414f-9f39-ad19e7e49fa8/01.-Pour-en-finir-avec-le-travail---Le-Bon-Dieu-Dans-la-Merde/nsnext

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB4MFiHH1qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avNSZjlF7dE&feature=related

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Aug 7 2011 03:05

The best compilation of class struggles songs in English is, and has been since 1909, the Little Red Songbook published by the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). Some favourites of mine that have been included in this are:
Which Side Are You On? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfWzLa1faLA&feature=fvwrel
Hallelujah I'm A Bum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKbIkYGsIg
Solidarity Forever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYiKdJoSsb8
The Red Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovAfRU2oF8g
Ain't Done Nothing If You Ain't Been Called a Red http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUifliF0rBU
We Have Fed You All For a Thousand Years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl6QzovB-38
The Preacher and the Slave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwTjeMN0-Dw
Rebel Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNwKN5D-Co
Casey Jones the Union Scab
Bread and Roses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVcaAGCi0&feature=related
Dump the Bosses of your Back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuE-_46-VlA&feature=related

If I had to chose one, it'd be solidarity forever, which to me beautifully lays out the values and methods of movements of the the working class for itself to establish the classless society. It has, of course, been co-opted by countless social democrats and sullied by reforminst labour movements, and the song aristocracy forever takes the piss out of these parasitic appropriations, but none the less, solidarity forever resonates with pretty much every worker I've ever spoken to about such things.

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Aug 7 2011 03:24

I'll be utterly boring and suggest the lyrics of Imagine cannot be any more communist. Although i prefer the anger of Working Class Hero with its equally strong political position.

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Aug 7 2011 03:55

Also the most incredibly subversive performance of a socialist song ever is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiEAcZhqojk

Pete Seeger and Bruce Springsteen perform Woody Guthrie's classic 'This Land Is You Land' at Obama's inauguration, including the following lines (with slight variations):

"In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?"

"There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
Sign was painted, it said private property;
But on the back side it didn't say nothing;
That side was made for you and me."

"Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me."

This song also happens to be one of the most astonishing recuperated (in the situationist sense) pieces of music ever. It's basically a second american national anthem, whilst in intention being a harsh as fuck indictment of american class society in the 1918-1945 period with substantial communist content.

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Aug 7 2011 08:15

Killing in the name of - RATM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

"Fuck you I won't do what you told me" summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment beautifully in my opinion.

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Aug 7 2011 09:28

The songs and images of some of Samotnaf's songs even made goose bumps rise on my calloused exterior:) , beautiful, also the Ives, Guthrie and Seager poetry, and RATM,,,sheesh, the whole eclectic genres of our desires for a better world, all beautiful,,,

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Aug 7 2011 09:42

My fanatical love of Rage Against the Machine as a teenager was what first got me to read the Communist Manifesto.

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Aug 7 2011 15:35

I'd second Samotnaf. There is especially one song from « Pour en finir avec le travail » that is really great. It is « La vie s'ècoule, la vie s'enfuit » with lyrics by Raoul Vaneigem. There are a couple of interpretations on the web, I prefer the orginal one with the composition by Francis Lemonnier next to the one from by the Belgian anarchist post-punk band René Binamé as well as the quite melancholic one of Fanchon Daemers.

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I'd second Samotnaf. There is especially one song from « Pour en finir avec le travail » that is really great. It is « La vie s'ècoule, la vie s'enfuit » with lyrics by Raoul Vaneigem.

Agreed. Vaneigem's song is great. I just did a quick translation of it into English.

Life runs by, life escapes us
Days march instep with boredom
Red parties, grey parties
Our revolutions are betrayed

Work kills, work pays
Time is bought at the supermarket
Paid time never returns
Youth dies from lost time

Eyes made for the love of loving
Are the reflection of a world of objects.
Without dreams and without reality
We are condemned to mere images

The massacred, the famished
Come to us from the depths of time
Nothing has changed but everything is beginning
And will end in violence

Burn the lair of priests,
The nests of merchants, of police
The wind which sows the storm
Reaps the days of festival

Rifles that are turned on us
Will be turned on the bosses
No more leaders, no more State
To profit from our struggles.

This song and many of the others were actually written in Paris by members of the SI during the May 68 uprising. My other fav is Il est cinq heure which was a détournement of a popular French pop song of the sixties.

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Aug 7 2011 18:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXYsi3zoCQ&feature=related

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Aug 7 2011 19:41

Awesome Hob!

How about the Internationale?

In keeping with the libertarian communist theme try this version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF5cd3JCZNw&feature=related

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Aug 7 2011 22:52
Leo wrote:
Killing in the name of - RATM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

"Fuck you I won't do what you told me" summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment beautifully in my opinion.

Whereas "Yes sir, I'll do what the central committee tells me" would be the left communist version.

I like the old anarchist and wobbly songs and MDC have their moments as far as more recent stuff goes.

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Leo wrote:
Killing in the name of - RATM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

"Fuck you I won't do what you told me" summarizes the libertarian-communist sentiment beautifully in my opinion.

Whereas "Yes sir, I'll do what the central committee tells me" would be the left communist version.

I like the old anarchist and wobbly songs and MDC have their moments as far as more recent stuff goes.

I'm guessing a left-commie ran off with your wife or killed your dog or something because just about the only stuff you ever post here is a slag off of the ICC specifically or left-commies in general.

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Whereas "Yes sir, I'll do what the central committee tells me" would be the left communist version.

Its more in the lines of "I run off with peoples wives and kill their dogs". Left communism is badass.

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Aug 8 2011 12:02
Malva wrote:
This song any many of the others were actually written in Paris by members of the SI during the May 68 uprising. My other fav is Il est cinq heure which was a détournement of a popular French pop song of the sixties.

There are different stories concerning the origins of «la vie s'écoule». Some say, it was written shortly before may 68. Others say it was written already in the early 60th during Vaneigems “anarchist phase”, when he was quite impressed by the Belgian wildcat strikes in 1961. Some even say it was from young Belgium workers during those strikes, but given the situationist credo in the lyrics, I guess this is propably a fary-tale. BTW: «Il est cinq heure - Paris s'éveille» is a really great song, too.

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