'East End Jewish Radicals 1875-1914'

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Can anyone tell me if the book 'East End Jewish Radicals 1875-1914' issued by Five Loaves (distrib. by AK) is markedly different than thw 1975 tilte 'Jewish Raicals" (same author)? I have the original version and it's quite informative.

For those of you interested in the East End anarchists, I thought the new release of Rocker's 'London Years' and Fermin Rocker's (R.R.'s son) are also intereesting reading. The late Sam Dolgoff told me how Rocker hated the English translation. Rocker thought at the translator took certain "liberties" with what R. Rocker had to say. Sam never was specific, but I think it comes out in how "liberal" was (free speech, etc.).

As a total aside, I'm bemussed how London had its East End jewish anarchis, and we our Lower East side jewish anarchists. -:)

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear about the new edition of the Fishman book.

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I have never heard of Fishman,W J. Jewish Radicals: From Czarist Stetl to London Ghetto. Pantheon Books, (1974). until now but from the title i would guess some but limited overlap.

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I have always looked at East End Jewish Radicals and have had it recomended to me, but havent read it yet. Would be great to get a history article or two along these lines if someone was up for it.

Sorry this doesnt answer your q!

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Thanks folks. I guess there's only one way to find out -:) I'll add it to my holiday wish list and see what happens.

BTW, rkn, what sort of articles were you thinking about? I'm not volenteering, perhaps someone can scan parts of the book and post it. I know, sounds alot more simple than it probably is. I useless on the technical front.

Anyway, if there's someone out there who's read both books, I'd be curious to hear if there are differences. My guess might be in the introduction, but ...

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S - re: what im talking about - well for our history articles we prefer to have re-written 2000 word articles which summarise events which we can then refer people to for further reading.

Why try to avoid scan in stuff as much as possible as our aims is to make things accessible and easy to read smile

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Briefly, the 2 are the same, I think. I met Bill Fishman a couple of times and I think he's very def. on the liberal end of anarchism. Interesting subject though

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Martin

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Is he even an anarchist? I met him once in Freedom, and got the impression he was just sympathetic?

It's a fucking ace book, anyway!

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I think Martin's probably right about Bill Fishman's politics. But as a history, I thought the book was pretty good. It at least gives the reader some sense of the times and the activities of the East End comrades. As does Rocker's London Years.

Of course the book has its short comings in the sense that it wasn't written by an anarchist. How East End anarchism drew down is probably still to be written in any detail. I suspect that East End anarchism's demise was very similiar to the demise of anarchism as a major working class movement in many countries by the 1920s.

I thought Melter's (in his autobiography) take was a bit much, but who knows, maybe some relevancy.

The one thing that I didn't get a sense of from either The London Years or East End Radicals (well, the Jewish Radicals version which I have) is how the unions organized along libertarian lines. I got no real sense of the day-to-day, nitty gritty organizing that created anarchist unionism. Or, as with the New York situation, did they organize trade unions, radical, but not necessarily anarchist in structure and form.

Perhaps this is an area for further research.

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Jewish Radicals: From Czarist Stetl to London Ghetto only costs a dollar! (plus shipping)

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Jewish Radicals: From Czarist Stetl to London Ghetto only costs a dollar! (plus shipping)

From where?! :?

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I have "East End Jewish Radicals 1875-1914" and from memory the "update" consists of a new forward/introduction. Not positive though, and the book is packed away in a box at the moment so can't check, sorry.

It's a well written and very interesting book though, thats for sure smile

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I was hoping to do my own reviews of The London Years, East End Jewish Radicals & The East End Years: A Stepney Childhood, unfortunately I haven't found the time.

Let me recommend all three of these books. I found them to be overlapping and complementary. They are very informative and useful sources for those curious about the London "Jewish movement". While it can surely be said the Fishman book focuses in on the "Jewish movement", Rudolf Rocker's book, while ceneterd on his years in the Jewish libertarian workers' movement, is much more than that. I found Rocker's recollections of Malatesta, Louise Michael and others to be wonderful. Fermin Rocker's book is also insightful as he recalls anarchist personalities of the era. Fermain remembers the "Jimmy Higgins" (the people who do all the work and get little public recognition---you know, the "shitworkers")of the movement. And his love for his father is as clear a cloudless day.

In solidarity,
mitch

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Review From: Organise #64, Published by the Anarchist Federation
(Britain) http://www.af-north.org/organise/organise.htm

The London Years by
Rudolf Rocker
AK Press/Five Leaves (http://www.akpress.org/)
228 pages

This book, long out of print, has made a
welcome return, and is published at the
same time as another reprint, Bill Fishman's
East London Jewish Radicals. It was written
by Rudolf Rocker, a gentile German who
became involved in the Yiddish-speaking
anarchist movement of Britain. Not only did
Rocker animate the highly popular
newspaper Der Arbeter Fraint, he was also
involved in setting up the monthly Germinal
which dealt with anarchist theory and
culture "to acquaint its readers with all
libertarian tendencies in modern literature
and contemporary thought". Interned during
the First World War he spent the rest of his
life in Holland, Germany and the USA. The
thriving movement that he had helped build
(in London, but also in Leeds, Manchester
and other northern towns) was devastated
by the war, by the number of anarchists
returning to Russia to assist in the
Revolution, many perishing there, and by the
upsurge of the Communist Party. But for
several decades there was a vibrant
anarchist movement among the Jewish
working class in Britain.
Here is described the strike that broke out
among the tailoring workers of the West End
in 1912, with over 8,000 attending a
meeting addressed by Rocker and others.
Following this successful strike, many
Jewish families took in the children of
London dockers who were also on strike.
This was one of the great triumphs of
Rocker and the Jewish anarchist movement.
This active solidarity broke down the
barriers between the dockers,
predominantly of Irish Catholic background,
and the Yiddish speaking working class of
the East End. It was a hammer-blow against
anti-semitism. As Colin Ward says in the
introduction: "Rudolf Rocker's own story,
that of an immigrant, deprived of citizenship
in his country of origin, and deported from
Britain after years of internment, has its own
message for another generation struggling
with the dilemmas of a multi-cultural
Britain".

East End Jewish Radicals 1875-1914 by William J Fishman http://www.akpress.org/2004/items/eastendjewishradicals

The East End Years: A Stepney Childhood, Fermin Rocker, Freedom Press
http://www.akpress.org/1998/items/eastendyears
Purchase from: http://www.akpress.org/

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It's basically the same book
By the way , why do people have to venture an opinion when they have read neither edition??????????
puzzled

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Hmm i thought there was another thread on Jewish/Yiddish anarchism - but i cant find it? Anyone seen it?

anyway just seen this cool yiddish anarchist song vid on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbhrtoi9tr8

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anyway just seen this cool yiddish anarchist song vid on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbhrtoi9tr8

Pretty cool. looks to me like that was possibly May Day event. For sure, Union Square in NYC. Speaker Alex Berkman.

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Speaking of Jewish anarchists and Youtube:

Wisdom of an old revolutionary

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Speaking of Jewish anarchists and Youtube:

Wisdom of an old revolutionary

That was the late Irving Abrams of Chicago. He was speaking at the base of the statute for the Haymarket Martyrs, Waldheim Cemetery, Chicago. Looks like this was filmed in the late 1970s from the look of the cars.

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In reference to R.R. there used to be a big potrait of him in Whitechapel library - until, that is, they closed the library(ies) in Newham to create Dome-tastic 'Information Centres'.

Fuck knows where that potrait is now.

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Speaking of Jewish anarchists and Youtube:

Wisdom of an old revolutionary

Good stuff! When was that recorded?

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syndicalist's effort at guessing that seems pretty likely, I didn't have a clue.

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The song, I have no idea when it was recorded.

In the opening scene,I can't tell if the marching is part of the original or spliced into it. I think it's all one and the same. I'm pretty sure it's a May Day parade into Union Sq., NY. For sure, it's Berkman.

Anyone intersted in reading about Irving Abraham should see his autobigraphy, Haymarket Heritage: The Memoirs Of Irving S Abrams. I was trying to find a free on-line transcript, but no luck. So here's the AK link and intro comments:
http://www.akpress.org/2004/items/haymarketheritage
"Irving S. Abrams (1891–1980) was a Wobbly, Jewish anarchist, and savior of the Haymarket monument at Waldheim Cemetery from 1960–1971.
"In these pages Abrams provides penetrating insights into the perceptions of later generations of the Haymarket confrontation. Those insights developed out of Abrams' experiences in the bitter labor struggles in which he participated in his earlier years. As one who challenged the vicious anti-labor forces which he encountered on so many picket lines, Abrams writes authoritatively about the 'cry for justice' which has ever been the battle cry of organized labor. As we read these memoirs of his participation in the Industrial Workers Of the World strikes in the State of New York and elsewhere, in the giant garment-workers' strike in Chicago, and later in the activities of the Jewish Labor Committee, we recognize that Abrams has earned his credentials as an authentic labor pioneer." —Joseph M. Jacobs, from the introduction
Edited by Dave Roediger and Phyllis Boanes.

For some excellent photos of the Haymarket Maytars statute, go to: http://www.graveyards.com/IL/Cook/foresthome/ne-haymarket.html

EDIT: click here http://www.graveyards.com/IL/Cook/foresthome/ne-goldman.html for Emma Goldman's memorial

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As a total aside, I'm bemused how London had its East End jewish anarchis, and we our Lower East side jewish anarchists. -:)

Because the Lower-East Side Jewish "Anarchists" were not really anarchists. They were merely Pseudo-Proto-Authoritarian-Splitters who did not understand the true meaning of struggle and hence were fake anarchists. I don't like to associate myself with the Lower-Eastender espcially those from Leytonstone. Scum.

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"Because the Lower-East Side Jewish "Anarchists" were not really anarchists. They were merely Pseudo-Proto-Authoritarian-Splitters who did not understand the true meaning of struggle and hence were fake anarchists. I don't like to associate myself with the Lower-Eastender espcially those from Leytonstone. Scum."

what are you talking about, man? utter blabber.

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As far as I know it's a straight reprint.
I went on a walks of the radical Jewish east end with Bill Fishman in the 1980s which was fascinating.
I'm now doing my own - checkout: www.eastendwalks.com

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Cool stuff David.... wish I could go on one...I'm on the other side of the Atlantic

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As far as I know the portrait of Rocker that used to be in Whitechapel Library passed to the Art Gallery at the same time as the building, though I don't know if it is on display.

The council for the East End isn't Newham, it was Tower Hamlets council who closed the Library in favour of an "Ideas store". Newham is the other side of the River Lea where Essex used to begin. They are different places and have a very different feel, partly because of the much longer history of immigration in Tower Hamlets.

Regards,

Martin

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I'm looking for any articles/info on strikes organised by anarchists in the London's East End in the 1910s. Anyone help?

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"East End Jewish Radicals 1875-1914", William Fishman and Rocker's "London Years" are pretty good starters. But I found the accounts to be limited in the sense of being more trade unionist than anything else. Fascinating never-the-less.

See also http://libcom.org/history/wess-woolf

One thing that often gets lost (on this side of the Atlantic) are the efforts by the Jewish garment workers and the non-Jewish dockers at building unity during their respective 1912 strikes. Rocker's account is quite moving.

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I was looking at the Kate Sharpley Library "Yiddish Anarchist Bibliography"
and read, for the first time, the subtitle to the East London publication, "The Workers Friend" (Der Arbayter Fraynd). The subtitle proclaimed that it was "Anarchist-Communist Organ" (anarkhistish-komunistisher organ), rather than an anarcho-syndicalist or simply an anarchist organ.Nothing earth shattering, just interesting.

The excellent KSL bilibliography can be found at: http://www.katesharpleylibrary.net/yiddishbiblio.htm

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"Because the Lower-East Side Jewish "Anarchists" were not really anarchists. They were merely Pseudo-Proto-Authoritarian-Splitters who did not understand the true meaning of struggle and hence were fake anarchists. I don't like to associate myself with the Lower-Eastender espcially those from Leytonstone. Scum."

what are you talking about, man? utter blabber.

Either there's also a Leytonstone in Lower East Side (which irrevelantly, is probably my favourite part of any city in the world...where are the radical spaces there? I just went to ABC No Rio and smoked weed on the street with Puerto Ricans) or he's making some poor attempt at a London injoke, not sure.

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Alan, actually Moshehess posted the quoted comment, not be. I asked what in the world is he talikng about? Leytonstone must be in the UK, caue it aint here in NYC.