ICC Bordiga/Damen article

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Sep 13 2016 15:38
ICC Bordiga/Damen article

I thought this was a really nice article on (primarily) Bordiga.

http://en.internationalism.org/international-review/201609/14092/1950s-a...

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Sep 14 2016 09:58

Thanks, very good indeed.

Now I wish there's someone who could dig up a copy of Camatte's Bordiga et la Passion du Communisme.

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Sep 14 2016 13:22

If you google it, you'll find that there are a few online versions, but probably you have to 'subscribe'.. Eg http://documents.tips/documents/camatte-bordiga-et-la-passion-du-communi...

I of course have a slightly yellowing 1974 Spartacus paperback version.....

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Sep 14 2016 20:42
Alf wrote:
If you google it, you'll find that there are a few online versions, but probably you have to 'subscribe'.. Eg http://documents.tips/documents/camatte-bordiga-et-la-passion-du-communi...

I of course have a slightly yellowing 1974 Spartacus paperback version.....

Thank you. I've searched around, but like the page you link to, I haven't found any online versions that include the translations of Bordiga's texts, only Camatte's intro.

Above all I'm curious about which texts of Bordiga's it includes, I could probably find them in other languages or in Italian. If you're able to scan the contents page or quote the titles, it would be great.

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Sep 14 2016 20:49

If Bordiga et la Passion du Communisme is a collection of Bordiga's writings (I'm assuming it is - correct me if I'm wrong), then it'll probably be easier to simply locate each of the Bordiga texts online.

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Sep 14 2016 20:51

here you go:

- 'The programme revolutionnaire de la societe communiste elimine toute forme de propriete de la terre, des installations productives et des produits du travail'

- 'Le contenu original du programme communiste est l'abolition de l'individu comme sujet economique, detenteur de droits et acteur de l'histoire humaine

- 'Commentaires des Manuscrits de 1844'

- 'Tables immuables de la theorie communiste de parti'

- 'A Janitzio on n'a pas peur de la mort'

plus, Camatte 'Bordiga (1889-1970): Quelques reperes biographiques'

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Sep 14 2016 21:25

Thanks very much.

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Sep 14 2016 21:35

1) http://www.pcint.org/04_PC/103/103_programme-revolutionnaire.htm

2) (Italian original) - http://www.quinterna.org/archivio/1952_1970/contenuto_orig_prog1.htm

3) PDF scan - https://defensedumarxisme.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/bordiga_commentair...

4) (Italian original) - www.quinterna.org/archivio/1952_1970/tavole_immutabili.htm

5) English translation - https://libcom.org/library/janitzio-death-not-scary-amadeo-bordiga

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Sep 14 2016 23:04

Ah, Craftwork, I was doing the same thing. Thanks though. I'm going to see if one of the ones that's not to be found in English is interesting enough to translate.

I'm learning Italian, but having the French alongside is sure to help.

The first text is also on here:

http://libcom.org/library/revolutionary-program-communist-society-eliminates-all-forms-ownership-land-instruments-

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Sep 24 2016 17:23

Some interesting commentary on the positive contributions of Bordiga but despite the title only a very thin critical reference to the historical differences between Damen and Bordiga and subsequent developments as expressed in the different approaches today between the ICC and the 'Damenists' of the ICT/CWO as regards the role of 'the Party' or communist minorities more generally, with which the ICT/CWO appear to be in the throws of more recent discussion as on their site here: www.leftcom.org/en. I'm not a partisan of either tendency but anyone coming to this text as their first introduction to the differences would need to compare and contrast the views of both.

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Sep 25 2016 14:27

The aim of the article, as part of a much longer series about the transition period and communist society, was to examine the different approaches of Damen and Bordiga to this problem. It was not intended to go into the whole range of disagreements between the two, nor into the subsequent differences between the ICC and the ICT.

The complete series (so far) can be found on this page:
http://en.internationalism.org/go_deeper

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Sep 25 2016 13:01

hmm might translate...

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Sep 25 2016 14:23

That's very good, but what language are you thinking about? It will also be published in French and Spanish

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Sep 25 2016 14:24

DP

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Aug 11 2019 06:49
Alf wrote:
here you go:

- 'The programme revolutionnaire de la societe communiste elimine toute forme de propriete de la terre, des installations productives et des produits du travail'

- 'Le contenu original du programme communiste est l'abolition de l'individu comme sujet economique, detenteur de droits et acteur de l'histoire humaine

- 'Commentaires des Manuscrits de 1844'

- 'Tables immuables de la theorie communiste de parti'

- 'A Janitzio on n'a pas peur de la mort'

I just finished translating the second of these texts, the Original Content of the Communist Program:

http://libcom.org/library/original-content-communist-program-obliteration-individual-economic-subject-rights-holde
http://libcom.org/library/original-content-communist-program-obliteration-individual-economic-subject-rights-hol-0

In addition, Libcom user Alias Recluse translated (via Spanish) the Revolutionary Program of Communist Society, as noted above; Libri Incogniti translated the Commentary on the Manuscripts of 1844; and Conor Murray translated In Janitzio Death Is Not Scary for the Ritual Mag. So that leaves us with the Immutable Tablets of the Communist Theory. I’ll get to it in a few months, unless there are other takers...