National Shop Stewards Network Conference

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Jul 5 2008 15:54
National Shop Stewards Network Conference

I was just in London for the NSSN.

I was curious if anyone else from Lib Com was there and what you thought of it ? Please only respond if you were actually at this or other conferences. I know there are plenty of people on this site who disagree with the NSSN and trade unions in general. I'm interested in hearing from people who have actually attended this or past conferences/meetings and/or who are involved with the network.

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Jul 5 2008 17:12

I don't think you can post this in libcommunity and then dictate the nature by which people should respond in fairness.

"Hi I'm posting looking serious discussion so I'm choosing the forum where it's least likely to happen in which to do it"

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Jul 6 2008 13:09

I certainly would be interested in hearing a report. I wasn't at the NSSN Conference, but have been an active anarcho-syndicalist since the 1970s. So.... there are some of us who would be interested in a libertarian take on the conference. Thus far I've only read reports in the socialist press.

Thanks.

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Jul 6 2008 13:51
xConorx wrote:
I don't think you can post this in libcommunity and then dictate the nature by which people should respond in fairness.

"Hi I'm posting looking serious discussion so I'm choosing the forum where it's least likely to happen in which to do it"

moved to organise

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Jul 6 2008 20:57

makes sense wink

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Jul 8 2008 19:44
xConorx wrote:
I don't think you can post this in libcommunity and then dictate the nature by which people should respond in fairness.

"Hi I'm posting looking serious discussion so I'm choosing the forum where it's least likely to happen in which to do it"

Well if you could possibly suggest a better place to ask I will certainly post there instead. I live in the states and was only in the UK for a week for the NSSN conference. I was looking for input from folks, particularly from an anarchist / libertarian-communist perspective, and this is one of the few forums I know of where people discuss these issues.

I know serious discussion very rarely happens here. But I figured this is a good a place as any to ask for input on the shop stewards network.

*shrug*...or maybe nobody has an opinion one way or another smile

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Jul 8 2008 20:58

conor was referring to you posting in the libcommunity forum as opposed to on libcom per se - i've moved the thread to organise. i know there's at least a couple of shop stewards on here, but i don't know if they have any involvement with/knowledge of the NSSN. i thought i heard through the grapevine it's a trot dominated initiative, but happy to be corrected...

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Jul 9 2008 11:54

Hello, I would be interested in hearing a serious report from a libertarian perspective. I've real all the socialist website articles on the event. Perhaps Gurley or the Solfed member on the NSSN committee could give a report...or PM me with one.

Thanks for the time.

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Jul 9 2008 12:10

Yeah, there was a report on it in the Solidarity Federation internal bulletin about it a while back.. I think the general jist of it was positive (hence the involvement on the national steering committee) but that there were also clearly some internal Trot power games being played. I think stuff like the Campaign to Build a New Workers' Party (Socialist Party and maybe some other small Trot groups.. Workers' Power?) peddling their wares while wearing their 'Trade Unionist' hat.

But yeah, overall it seemed positive from what I read but there just needs to be a vigilant eye on whether it becomes another party recruitment vehicle or not...

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Jul 9 2008 12:23

ah ok, i happily stand corrected. i remember reading that, had the 'new workers party' thing in mind... the danger of half-remembered information sad

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Jul 9 2008 13:06

what union are you in jack?

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Jul 9 2008 13:09
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Against my better judgement I'm probably going to get involved, but I'm not the most optimistic.

if you think the 2nd outcome would be a positive development (i tend to think it would be), then that's probably worthwhile.

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Jul 10 2008 09:55

christ there's no need to shout angry

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Aug 8 2008 14:43

Hello.... will there ever be a libertarian workers' perspective and report on this meeting?

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Aug 8 2008 16:12
syndicalist wrote:
Hello.... will there ever be a libertarian workers' perspective and report on this meeting?

You should ask ed directly for the SolFed internal bulletin with the report wink

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Aug 9 2008 20:25

There should be something in the next DA and there may be a short piece in the next Catalyst, though space prevents going into a lot of detail in the latter.

Basically, the members we have involved in this don't tend to come on here, so all you're getting is second hand.

Regards,

Martin

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Aug 10 2008 14:05
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syndicalist wrote:
Hello.... will there ever be a libertarian workers' perspective and report on this meeting?

You should ask ed directly for the SolFed internal bulletin with the report wink

Ok --- Ed, can you PM me the report? Thanks.

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Oct 20 2010 15:30

Is anyone involved in the "NSSN Syndicalists"
http://www.thesyndicalist.org.uk/nssn-syndicalists/ aside from the publisher of "The Syndicalist" website?

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Oct 20 2010 21:06

Apparently "several L&S members participate" in NSSN Syndicalists, which means that L&S are now producing everything NSSN Syndicalists are doing.

http://www.libertyandsolidarity.org/node/102

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Oct 20 2010 21:25
Libertaria wrote:
Apparently "several L&S members participate" in NSSN Syndicalists, which means that L&S are now producing everything NSSN Syndicalists are doing.

http://www.libertyandsolidarity.org/node/102

One of their members wrote "The Syndicalist is written by a couple of people, however NSSN Syndicalists is a wider grouping, there are people from L&S and Solfed involved, plus a lot of non-aligned syndicalists." My emph.

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Oct 20 2010 23:35

I would imagine that SolFed members of NSSN would be attracted to initiatives like this. And will judge it on their experience, not on 'reputation' of one group involved.

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Oct 21 2010 03:53

Given L&S history of working to rule anything they are involved with, and taking credit for even the smallest 'victory' the group they are involved in as there own 'victory' and blow it up to insane proportions, I doubt that "NSSN Syndicalists" or SolFed members participation in it will last all that long.

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Oct 21 2010 08:08

well if a small group like L&S can dominate and control broader groups despite people being aware of their MO, it doesn't say much about the commitment of the others involved frankly. I am assuming that NSSN Syndicalists have a libertarian structure and therefore it is possible for the other members to hold then to account. Whilst I understand people's concerns, I think the L&S bogeyman is somewhat overplayed, we know their agenda. I can't help thinking that L&S have become a convenvient scapegoat for us to blame. If NSSN Syndicalists does 'fail' the L&S members will have their share of the responsibility but so will other factors. Don't get me wrong, I think we should take L&S seriously, but that means us being serious. That said, I really don't know enough about NSSN Syndicalists to able to assess whether it is really worth the effort.

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Oct 22 2010 14:35

Assuming the libertarian inter-organizational stuff can be worked out, this seems (from 3000 miles away) a good starting point for libertarian comrades inside the NSSN. Yes/No? Again, I'm not on the ground and am only basing my comments on written words.

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Oct 22 2010 15:48

i don't know. the NSSN's stated aims are heavily influenced by the Socialist Party and leftism in general, rebuilding the trade unions, representation etc. It has potential insofar as it puts militant workers in direct contact, and i'm not involved myself so i don't know how well it does this, but from the outside the NSSN seems mostly to be one name amongst many on leftist call-outs and the like. I know there are some SolFed people involved so presumably they see something useful in it. the NSSN syndicalists page reads very L&S, i.e. uncritically pro- (rank-and-file) trade unionism, against 'politics' as sectarian etc. but again, i have no direct experience with it. seems a danger of it being a pressure group within a pressure group within a pressure group tbh.

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Oct 23 2010 19:39

Well, it'd be interesting to hear how things develop as they go along.

Salud y anarquia!

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Oct 29 2010 20:18

The NSSN Syndicalists sounds like a waste of time, wrapped inside a time waster, and coated in shilly shally

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Oct 29 2010 22:30
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
The NSSN Syndicalists sounds like a waste of time, wrapped inside a time waster, and coated in shilly shally

could be the greatest thing since bread came sliced.

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Mar 20 2011 03:39

Was just reading this piece by Sheila Cohen on "the commune". Interesting, well, at least from an interested observor from across the pond.

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what it says on the tin? memories of the NSSN
10 03 2011
In January the National Shop Stewards’ Network fell apart when the Socialist Party declared the foundation of yet another national anti-cuts campaign. Sheila Cohen reflects on the deeper roots of NSSN’s failure

http://thecommune.co.uk/2011/03/10/what-it-says-on-the-tin-memories-of-the-nssn/

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Oct 1 2011 02:20

test

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Jan 22 2013 14:27

I see that the National Shop Stewards Network still exists in some format. Any updated news, opinions, comments?