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Jun 10 2015 13:39
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also quite funny because for long time, the PKK was comparatively weak among the non-Sunni and non-Kurmandji-speaking inhabitants of North-West Kurdistan and was in areas like Dersim perceived as a Sunni & Kurmandji org

It still is perceived in that way by many people. A personal friend from Dersim, who I was talking to recently typifies this. He said he was even voting for HDP because "you have to", but he still felt that the PKK was funds mentally an anti-Alevi organisation.

Now personally I think it's true that the Kurdish national movement has changed on this question, but you can't blame people who feel uncomfortable with it basically for having memories.

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true, ... on the same level, there is also the perception, that TKP/ML, MLKP, EMEP/DIDF etc. are organisations which are mainly representing Zaza-speaking Alevis with roots in Dersim and Elazig and that the "T" in the acronym doesn't mean Turkey but Tunceli

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Jun 10 2015 17:43

There is a feeling among some Zazas that the Kurdish nationalist movement is trying to assimilate them. Of course there are other Zazas who are quite happy to be considered Kurdish. Nevertheless, it is quite ironic considering how the Turkish state denied the existence of Kurds for so long.

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Aug 19 2015 20:55

Relatively up to date Iraq map showing position of HPG/PKK, YPG, etc...

And Syria with the YPG/FSA (Burkan Al-Firat) closing in on Tel Abyad.

In Norther Aleppo, Daesh threatens the FSA. YPG/YPJ has volunteered to protect civilians at the border town of Azaz/

New foreign battalion 'Free Internationalists Brigade' was announced today. The battalion consists of MLKP, TKP-ML/TİKKO, United Liberation Forces "Birleşik Özgürlük Güçleri" (BÖG), MLSPB, Reconstrucción Comunista and German, Circassian, Turkish, Greek and Armenian revolutionaries. The aim of the battalion is to protect all People's in the Region and Middle East against the Islamic State

Battalion member from Germany speaking (English)

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Jun 10 2015 23:45

"Revulation"? Not sure if something got lost or gained in translation there.

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... on the same level, there is also the perception, that TKP/ML, MLKP, EMEP/DIDF etc. are organisations which are mainly representing Zaza-speaking Alevis with roots in Dersim and Elazig and that the "T" in the acronym doesn't mean Turkey but Tunceli

Well, the MLKP did well for itself. The leader of its legal party is now an MP and the cochair of the Peoples' Democratic Party, which came into being as a result of the allience of the Turkish and Zaza leftists and the Kurdish PKK aligned social democracy.

EMEP also has at least one deputy from the People's Democratic Party lists and they are strong in Dersim but more importantly, this party is known for being strong and effective in the trade-union bureaucracy and the working class. It basically behaves like a traditional tankie Communist Party despite its Hoxhaist roots.

TKP/ML and its numerous variants are really the ones who have their roots in Dersim and the Zaza ethnic group. They tend to change their alligence every now and then, making alliences with the Republican Popular Party then and the Kurdish nationalists now. They are a very small organizations, and their guerillas are rumored to spend their times playing cards in village coffee houses by day and going back to the mountains at night.

No, the "T" doesn't mean Tunceli. All of these groups reject the term "Tunceli", a name invented by Kemalists for Dersim, more than they reject the term "Turkey". In fact, no one rejects the latter anymore. In almost every Peoples' Democratic Party rally there were people who waved Turkish national flags.

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Jun 14 2015 19:34
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No, the "T" doesn't mean Tunceli. All of these groups reject the term "Tunceli", a name invented by Kemalists for Dersim, more than they reject the term "Turkey". In fact, no one rejects the latter anymore. In almost every Peoples' Democratic Party rally there were people who waved Turkish national flags.

if I remember correctly, that was a slur by the PKK

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Jun 15 2015 13:35

http://www.etha.com.tr/Haber/2015/06/15/guncel/kobani-ve-cizir-ypg-gucleri-birlesti/
YPG/YPJ and Burkan El-Firat continue their fight against IS. Just know they captured the roda connecting Cizîre ve Kobanê cantons. so the fighters fighting in both cantoms now reached to each other. They are I suppose now moving to the city of Til Ebyad to liberate the city.

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Jun 15 2015 14:15

Pictures showing IS preventing displaced families from crossing the Turkish border.
https://twitter.com/issa_kobani/status/609786172534059009

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Jun 15 2015 14:18
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EMEP also has at least one deputy from the People's Democratic Party lists and they are strong in Dersim but more importantly, this party is known for being strong and effective in the trade-union bureaucracy and the working class. It basically behaves like a traditional tankie Communist Party despite its Hoxhaist roots.

the EMEP's diaspora front DIDF has each one MP in the Netherlands (on the SP list) and in Germany (inside Die Linke) and also two of the twelve state assembly members of Die Linke in Hamburg are from DIDF, also aligned to Die Linke are the HDP/PKK sympathisers, most Yazidi associations (there are 60-80000 Yazidi in Germany) and the GDF which was the front org of the former TKP/TIP

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Jun 15 2015 15:40

Hi infrared
(I think) the link you share get some things wrong. First of all it is Turkish state that prevented these people to enter into its territory. These refugees were afraid of the war coming to their city as ypg approaches. Anyway the number of people waiting in the border increased for some time now (people were slowly gathering at the border). And later IS forces came and forced people back into the city. Ypg says IS uses civillians as humanshields (in what way I am not sure though, to prevent bombings maybe? ) also it was interesting that IS fighters and Turkish army were very close to each other in this event. There are photos of IS fighters smiling to reporters from Turkish side. There occured no fight between IS and Turkey at all, dispate this closeness.

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Jun 16 2015 09:24

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33143646

This report on the main BBC news last night tends to confirm the recent Times report regarding the "ethnic cleansing" of Arabs by the YPG. The YPG and its American allies have just succeeded in taking the town of Tal Abyad from ISIS. The reports from the fleeing refugees say that they were forced out of their homes and towards the Turkish border by Kurdish forces. There seems very little chance of these people going back to their homes as this latest incident shows the strategy of the US and its allies in its policy of "scorched earth". This is not good news for western leftists, nor western democracies who both see these forces as benevolent progressives or allies in battle. The argument about whether this is ethnic cleansing or not is entirely secondary to the nationalist and imperialist nature of all the forces involved in this war.

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Jun 16 2015 10:15

Baboon you might care or not be able to comprehend the difference between claims of an ethnic cleansing (or any sort of ethnic/racial destructive politics) and your ideological preferences in a war situation. However I do, and I think it is important to get to the bottom of things to know whether YPG does or does not do "ethnic cleansing". I think that story should have made us learn the dangers of ethnic discrimination/removal policies (and how they were also made by socialist forces)

As discussed above these people escaped city with very understandable motivations to escape an incoming war. And later most of them were re-forced back into the city by IS. Now some of them went to (tens of thousands) Turkey and some of IS fighters also entered Turkey, photo of smiling IS fighter with a Turkish soldier while being arrested:

Anyway so there is still no proof that Kurds are trying to change the ethnicity of the region (also Kurds do fight with Arabs among the ranks of YPG and with some FSA members)

Moreover this is yenisafak it is a pro-government newspaper (and is one of the most ass-licking newspapers ever!) They give the fall of Tel Abed news with the title: "the war will get bigger"
They also claim YPG does thnic cleansing to arabs, Turkmens and Kurds ( it is in the article). Anyway they claim kurds will move kurd to the city and make the city kurdish. Turkish State already stated his disapproval of PYD many times. and recently the videos and documents of Turkey transferring to Syria (and claimed to the group IS) was revealed.

Moreover see the Times writers twitter: https://twitter.com/hannahluci/status/605139119946235904
She still does not say her source's name. However someone (who had an HDP picture) claims that she has met with IHH people in Batman and get the source of her news from them. (well she says she did not go there herself) Anyway this IHH is a pro-government human rights association. that is not big neither did anything that proved its objectivity.

PYD on the other hand invited her to see the ground with her own eyes and determine whether any ethnic cleansing happened.

Anyway what I am saying in short is this: 1) Know the difference between ethnic cleansing policies and people fighting from war. 2) and do care about these people do not consider them to be secondary to your overall schema 3) Do not be a tool of Turkish government and its manipulative news agencies while trying to act internationalist. 4) Do not try to jump to conclusions from 3-5 sentence news (as you also tried to jump to conclusions about me being a nationalist, as I asked people to stay on a topic in a forum thread about Turkey) 5) -At least for me-, what Devrim first stated seems to be getting proven this all ethnic cleansing thing is a propaganda that is created for Turkish state's interests.

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Jun 16 2015 10:21

Ethnic cleansing is fully part of imperialist war. Whether some bourgeois organisations, or the Turkish government - which is supporting IS in more ways than one - call this "ethnic cleansing" is secondary from a point of view that sees no "socialist" forces engaged here at all - only those fighting for various nationalisms within an imperialist framework.

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Jun 16 2015 10:38

Their understanding might not fit to your understanding of ethnic peace (if you have any) or you might hope that ethnicity will be gone after the day of revolution (because it never did interestingly??). However PYD/YPG is not a nationalist movement. They are opposed to nationalism ideologically. However they engage with the hard task of making peace between different ethnic groups who are at war among themselves. They try to integrate all different ethnic and religious groups to their micro and macro democratic structures (and they do this I mind you against the risk of opening the way to a Kurdish nationalism among Kurds against their multi-ethnic politics). I bet (again) we will hear about Tel Abed and its preserved ethnic population after the war, and I would be joyful to share it here (if not the opposite is true of course) Anyway let's stick to news in this thread again.

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Jun 16 2015 12:16

This is linked to my above comments related to IS support of Turkey and it has just happened an hour ago.
http://www.evrensel.net/haber/253823/vali-sinirda-gazetecileri-gozaltina-aldirdi
The City Governer of Urfa İzzettin Küçük, has just ordered cops to arrest four news reporters, just because they asked him about the rumors of IS activity in the city. The newspaper people are taken to anti-terror office of the police in the city.

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Jun 16 2015 17:34
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5) -At least for me-, what Devrim first stated seems to be getting proven this all ethnic cleansing thing is a propaganda that is created for Turkish state's interests.

It's not actually what I said. What I said was that I was unsure about it and that it could have been black propaganda created in the Turkish state's interests. As time goes on I am more inclined to think that it's not. I think now that we can be reasonably sure that some ethnic cleansing is going on. Of course, personally I am not at all surprised.

I don't think that this is necessarily, or even probably, a decision that was taken by the YPG command structure.It probably starts quite low on the ground, a unit losses discipline and massacre some people in a village, some people take revenge for what has happened to their relatives, and it escalates from there, people on the other side hit back, and it doesn't matter which side started it, and then the spiral deepens.

The YPG/PKK assault on Tal Abyad is already displacing tens of thousands of people. Many will just be fleeing from the war. Even then, most of this round of refugees are Arabs.

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Jun 16 2015 19:46

People fleeing a potential conflict area BEFORE an army shows up isn't ethnic cleansing. It would be ethnic cleansing if the arriving/occupying army actively pushed people out of their homes OR refused to allow refugees who fled the fighting to return. It is important to provide evidence of such.

There is very little evidence in that 3 minute story on BBC news.

Now, Tel Abyad isn't some isolated, rural village. Its a significant town with a prewar population of 52,000 located on a prominent border crossing and Akçakale is large too. Tel Abyad has a large arab population. Whether or not the Turkish state allows Tel Abyad refugees to return to Tel Abyad will be known soon. Whether or not the YPG allows arab refugess to return to Tel Abyad soon will be known soon. Whether or not the YPG encourages kurds who WERE ethnically cleansed from Tel Abyad by Ahrar al Sham and Islamic State will so be known. Then, we will soon know whether a Tev-Dem like local council structure is setup, and whether both arabs and kurds participate. We'll also soon know if no local democratic council is setup and Tel Abyad is run as a military dictatorship by either the YPG or (more likely) one of primarily Arab FSA groups--most likely Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa (Raqqa Revolutionaries). Most likely Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa will want to use Tel Abyad as their headquarters as part of their campaign to liberate Raqqa from the Islamic State. So, we should know what's up with the YPG in Tel Abyad relatively soon.

Tel Abyad is not scorched earth. It was taken very quickly and Daesh seems to have retreated/surrendered/abandoned the city. Its not a ruin like Kobane. YPG-Burkan Al Firat took Suluk, Tel Abyad and Ayn Issa over a few days. It didn't take weeks or months of siege as was feared. The rapid success of that campaign I think was surprising to everyone.

One thing we do know about Tel Abyad is that when it was under Islamic State control, Turkey provided Tel Abyad with electricity. Now that it is under YPG control, Turkey cut off the electricity. Turning back on the electricity would certainly encourage refugees to return. Maybe folks can pressure Turkey to do that.

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"The International Commission of Inquiry, headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland, documented in a report in March, 2014, several crimes committed by the Islamic Movement of Ahrar al-Sham including ethnic cleansing of the Kurdish community in the Kurdish city of Tel Abyad (Gire Sipi) in Raqqa province, northeastern Syria on July 21, 2013, in participation with other Islamic factions, including the organization of the Islamic State (IS/ISIS), an al-Qaeda offshoot."

http://aranews.net/2014/09/u-s-target-ahrar-al-sham-islamists-syria/

Ahrar Al-Sham pushed a group of 15 islamist rebel groups to sign a statement accusing of YPG of engaging in ethnic cleansing in Tel Abyad. None of those groups including Ahrar Al-Sham is currently active in Tel Abyad (Daesh having removed them).

Arabic Al-Baggara tribe's leader Sh al-Tala: Residents denied any ethnic cleansing by YPG

Liwa al-Tahrir (FSA) denouncing claims of ethnic cleansing against YPG. Liwa al-Tahrir (FSA) is one of the Arab groups that helped YPG liberate Tel Abyad from the Daesh.

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Jun 16 2015 20:19

Well my mistake than Devrim of misquoting you. sorry for that.

Anyway I am now getting more inclined to think that as Turkey lost its connection with IS might engage more actively with Syria. As there are leaked documents (I shared them in a comment above) proving Turkey provided guns to IS. Also there are real rumors that IS elements travel freely in Turkey. As also Flint noted Turkey supports war efforts of IS also in indirect ways (electricity, see above) This ethnic cleansing thing might be part of this. As there is a governmental crisis in turkey mainly thanks to HDP (kurdish party) it is not obvious which party will rule over Turkey. This is freaking Turkish authorities out as they clearly supported IS war efforts and they can be judged by internal or external courts for that.

A good example of this is the news I shared above: The arrest of reporters.
http://www.diken.com.tr/valinin-sorularini-begenmedigi-gazeteciler-akcakale-sinirinda-gozaltina-alindi/
Reporter: From what hese people run away? From IS?
Governer They run away from PKK/PYD terror and American bombs
Reporter: Many people we speak does not say so, why do you think does this difference comes from?
Governer: No there is nothing to discuss. (Then he tries to move away and shows newspaper to be arrested with fingers at the end of video)

This newspaper reporter from Turkey claims the Governer himself aware of support of IS and he himself contributed to them. http://www.diken.com.tr/ahmet-siktan-gazetecileri-gozaltina-aldiran-sanliurfa-valisi-kucuke-bes-soru/ He also says there is a huge activity of IS in Urfa that makes refuges afraid (as the reporters in video claimed). I am not sure though what these IS activities that make them scared though ( I have my guesses)

Anyway, we will see what are the real motivation of the refugees, if Turkey does not attack (directly or indirectly) to Tel Abed. If war passes over and Tel Abend is safe, maybe many might come back.

On the other hand in Kurdish media Tel Abed is said to be a formerly kurdish area, however later Syrian regime kicked the Kurds to disconnect and separate Kurds living in Syria to better assimilate them. We will see what will happen in the end.

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Jun 16 2015 21:26

Good short video from France 24 on the political tensions between PKK and KDP in SInjar

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Jun 17 2015 07:40

http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/al-jazeera-ozel/multeci-gecisleri-azaldi

Aljazeera which sympathetic to Arab forces (FSA) and against Kurds (on occasion) has an interesting news related to that, my translation:

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As now the fighting in Tel Abed is finished people now wish to go back to there from Turkey. Even there is a crowd gathered in the Turkish border who want to go back now.
Refugees say what they want is just a peaceful Syria.
Turkmens from Tel Abed (500 of them) came to Turkey. One of them, named Şükrü Muhammed Dede (a member of Syrian Turkmen Council) says that "we crossed border in case the city will be bombed by coalition forces" and "Contrary to what is written, we did not treated badly by Kurdish forces". and "we want to get back, if the city without war."
According to official records (of turkey) now 23.500 people from Tel Abed is in Turkey. some of these Syrians are now gathering and waiting in Turkish side of border gate and wish to go back. It is expected to see much more gathering if the stability in the city continues.

Well I think this settles it. I expect to see more confirmation of this fact from other sources as well now.

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Jun 17 2015 09:27

1) IS attacked Aleppo, and specifically to Turkmens with suicide bombs.
http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/al-jazeera-ozel/isid-tel-abyaddan-cekildi-halepte-saldirdi

2)YPG said they will connect the administration of Tel Abed to Kobani. Salih Muslim says:

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"the overtake of Tel Abya byYPG and Burkan El Fırat, now people of the region is freed from IS terror. Now the city will be connected to Kobane, this way Arabs, Turkmens Armenians and all people will live like sisters and brothers"

http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/al-jazeera-ozel/isid-tel-abyaddan-cekildi-halepte-saldirdi
And he also says: "everyone can come back to the city" and "administration of the city will be left to civilians"
http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/pyd-es-baskani-muslim-tel-abyad-da-yonetim-sivillere-birakilacak-82933.html
Also more on this is on this Turkish link:
http://www.radikal.com.tr/yazarlar/fehim_tastekin/tel_ebyad_icin_yol_haritasi-1380341
Salih Muslim's own son is killed by Turkey supported gangs in Tel Ebyad in 2013 by the way. Still Salih Muslim says we will kick nobody out. There are mine problems in the city and around. In 2012 Islamic forces de-kurdified the city, some of the homes of the kurds were used by IS forces now, possibly they will take their houses and come back also.

3) Flint, also by the way Duran Kalkan a KCK member (congress movement of PKK) yesterday said that "we finished our relations with Barzani"
Anyway the real message behind this line is: "The understanding of Barzani that sees himself at the center of Kurdish politics is finished. We did not know their motivation, maybe they believed to AKP (governing party of Turkey) too much. but they failed. Now we will establish our relations in a dfferent way. People who rise up to oppression and establish democracy this is theirpower and rights we support." (simplified translation by me
Also you might have seen it but Barzani some time ago said "Duran Kalkan is a threator and provoking civil war." so the conflict between KDP and PKK is most concrete nowadays between these two people.
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/kck-barzani-ile-iliskimiz-sona-gundem-2074689/

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Jun 17 2015 09:27
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Well my mistake than Devrim of misquoting you. sorry for that.

No problem, people make mistakes.

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Anyway I am now getting more inclined to think that as Turkey lost its connection with IS might engage more actively with Syria. As there are leaked documents (I shared them in a comment above) proving Turkey provided guns to IS. Also there are real rumors that IS elements travel freely in Turkey. As also Flint noted Turkey supports war efforts of IS also in indirect ways (electricity, see above) This ethnic cleansing thing might be part of this. As there is a governmental crisis in turkey mainly thanks to HDP (kurdish party) it is not obvious which party will rule over Turkey. This is freaking Turkish authorities out as they clearly supported IS war efforts and they can be judged by internal or external courts for that.

I think that it's been quite obvious for quite a while that Turkey has been providing weapons to the Da'esh in the war. The guns found in an aid convoy by the gendarmerie in Adana in January provided more than a bit of a clue. Of course a change in government could quite possibly signal a new policy towards Syria. As you say, there is a crisis in government now, but there has not been a change. The most likely result of this crisis in my opinion will be either snap elections or an AKP-MHP coalition, which wouldn't signify a massive change in policy.

Although lots of people in Turkey are talking about Tayyip being tried as a war criminal, and he certainly is a war criminal, I don't think that this is likely to happen.

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People fleeing a potential conflict area BEFORE an army shows up isn't ethnic cleansing. It would be ethnic cleansing if the arriving/occupying army actively pushed people out of their homes OR refused to allow refugees who fled the fighting to return. It is important to provide evidence of such.

If when the dust has settled there has been a real change in the demographics of the area, I would say there has been ethnic cleansing. We will see.

Devrim

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An interview with Haqi Firat who is a first degree commander in Burkan El Fırat (an arab force). he says that the accusations of ethnic cleansing are pure fabrication of those who are with Is and oppose to brotherhood (and sisterhood) of peoples. He says no such event occured and we are in this together (as Arabs and Kurds and other peoples)
http://www.etha.com.tr/Haber/2015/06/17/guncel/burkan-el-firat-komutani-gire-spideyiz/

Apparently there is also new fake news created by IS supporting media. The accusation is that there is a problem between YPG and Burkan El Fırat so Burkan is pulled back to Kobane. Well this is fake YPG says it is untrue in the below. Moreover in the link above Haqi Firat also says that this is a lie spesifically (I did not know about this fake news, before I read the interview with Haqi Firat so order of these tow news were a bit awkward.)
http://www.etha.com.tr/Haber/2015/06/16/guncel/ypg-komutani-zagros-arap-halklari-aktif-olarak-sav/

This news source is a news source related to a communist party (MLKP) who supports YPG actively on the ground. An injured communist mentions "people did not supported in IS but has were silent to their occupy of their city" and he adds "revolution can only be possible if we spread it to arab population as well". Moreover "people clapped and shaked hands with us ones the city was liberated."
http://www.etha.com.tr/Haber/2015/06/17/dunya/yarali-mlkp-savascisi-gire-spi-hamlesini-anlatti/

It is obvious that this non-nationalistic politics of YPG/PYD and groups allied with them (especially the Arab and Turkmen civilians and forces) what makes nationalistic and fundamentalist forces fear most. The ethnic multiplicity and level of democratic organization of Tel-Abyed (Gire spi) in short future will surely set an example that has fertile potential to expand and bring peace to the region.

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Jun 17 2015 16:08

Qasioun news apologizes for publishing fabricated article about YPG leader apologizing for Arab displacement (in Arabic)

The earlier article with criticism

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Turkey on Thursday closed its border post of Akcakale on the Syrian frontier, preventing Syrian refugees who had fled fighting in the town of Tal Abyad from returning home, an AFP correspondent reported.

Turkish security forces said they were not allowing refugees across because Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) militia has closed the gate on the other side of the border. But the YPG denied this was the case...

Hundreds of Syrians had returned home on Wednesday as calm returned to the town. But on Thursday the Turkish authorities were not allowing through some 200 waiting refugees.

They said they had been told that the border would not open until Monday, meaning they will miss celebrating the start of the holy fasting month of Ramadan at home...

The YPG, who now control Tal Abyad, denied that they were responsible for the border closure.

"From our point of view, the border is open... It's the Turks who closed the border from their side," YPG spokesman Redur Khali told AFP in Beirut, adding that people were continuing to return through unofficial crossing points.

Turkey blocks Syrian refugees seeking to return to Tal Abyad, Thursday, 18 June 2015 (alarabiya.net)

Lucy Kafanov: "Turkey closes its border crossing with Syria at Akcakale, preventing refugees from returning home to Tal Abyad. YPG commander Redur Khalil tells me Turkey decided to close its side of border and that Kurds are keeping border open from Tal Abyad side" (pt 2), 18 Jun 2015

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Human Rights Association (İHD), stated that at least 50 ISIS gang members crossed over from Girê Spî (Tel Abyad) to Turkey, and that the Turkish state did not follow upon the arrival of any of these gangs. In its report, IHD said that thousands of refugees kept at the border for 3 days were not able to satisfy their basic needs such as nutrition.

'CIVILIANS KEPT AT THE BORDER WERE UNABLE TO SATISFY THEIR BASIC NEEDS'

Representatives from Human Rights Association (IHD) Headquarters went to Akçakale Border Gate in order to examine the conditions of predominantly-Arab refugees who have been fleeing from Girê Spî (Tel Abyad) due to the clashes between ISIS gangs and the forces of PYD and Burkan El Fırat throughout June, 2015. The IHD committee released its report on its observations and stated that approximately 23,250 crossed over to Turkey between June 3 and 13, 2015. IHD reported that the Turkish state banned border crossings between June 13 and 16, and finally changed its policy on June 16. IHD added that thousands of people including women, children, and disabled individuals were kept at the border for 3 days, during which these civilians were unable to satisfy their basic needs such as nutrition.

'ISIS VIOLENCE CAUSES CIVILIANS TO SEEK REFUGE'

IHD emphasized that ISIS violence was the main cause for civilians’ escape and added that people began to return to Girê Spî after PYD and Burkan El Fırat forces liberated the town from ISIS gangs. IHD stated that 90 percent of the civilians were Arab and got directed to refugee camps in the Derik district of Mardin, and 10 percent of the civilians were Turkmen and got directed to refugee camps in Osmaniye. IHD also emphasized the arrest of journalists who asked questions to Urfa governor, and added that Turkish civilians carried out verbal attacks on the arrested journalists.

'ISIS GANGS CROSSED OVER INTO TURKEY'

IHD Committee stated that ISIS gangs directed fleeing civilians to an area full of landmines in order to use Akçakale Border Gate for crossing over into Turkey themselves on June 5, 2015. IHD reported that at least 50 ISIS gang members entered Turkey as a result of this manipulation. IHD said that a significant portion of the refugees was composed of women, children, old men and disabled individuals. Many refugees were denied access to camps and could not satisfy their basic needs such as nutrition. In its report, IHD posed the question of why Akçakale Border Gate was closed to crossings between June 13 and 16, which created a grave security threat and allowed the passage of ISIS gangs into Turkey.

IHD report: ISIS gangs crossed over into Turkey, Wednesday, June 17, 2015, İnsan Hakları Derneği İHD (Human Rights Association)

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In an interview with the Turkish newspaper Hürriyet, Saleh Muslim, the PYD co-chair, said: “In the coming days, the city and its surroundings will be cleared of mines, in parallel with the formation of defensive lines to counter any IS attacks.” & "“After imposing security, civilians, who have been forced to leave the city, will be asked to return, and then a civil administration will be formed in which all the social components will be fairly represented,” & “All the components of the city will return, except those who participated in killing civilians and supported Daesh (Islamic State), they will be brought to trial.” as written by Ara News who had as source Hurriyet.

Muslim pointed out that the YPG forces along with other allied rebel factions will hand over the city to the Asayish security forces which will be formed by locals.

A civil administration will run the city without any intervention by the security forces.

He also pointed to the possibility of establishing a joint administration for the border crossing with Burkan al-Furat rebels, Liwaa at-Tahrir and the Raqqa’s Rebels Brigade, reassuring Turkish concerns in this regard.

“When Turkey feels comfortable for its border security, we also definitely feel comfortable,” he argued.

About the claims of ethnic cleansing of Arabs and Turkmen by the YPG forces, Muslim explained: “All the components of the city will return, except those who participated in killing civilians and supported Daesh (Islamic State), they will be brought to trial.”

He pointed out that there are also 10-12 thousands of Kurds who were displaced from Tel Abyad on the hand of IS and allied Islamists.

PYD leader: YPG forces will hand over Tel Abyad city to a civil administration, June 18, 2015 (aranews.net)

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Jun 19 2015 15:15

http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/akp-nin-isid-sevgisi-damarda-durmadi-mansetlere-yansidi-83083.html

I am putting this to show how far Turkish propaganda can go. These are today's first pages of newspapers close to Government of Turkey. They all dedicated their headlines of today to make anti-propaganda against PYD as PYD recently took Tel Abed.

The biggest one (on the left) is Sabah it says openly in the title: "IS is much more threatening than PYD".

Yenisafak says in one subtitle of its news (about PYD) "These are not humans".

Gunes and Star newspapers go so counterfactual that they claimed "PYD closed the border door". (well apparently they did to remove the bombs, they also said they will allow people to pass monday )

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Jun 23 2015 16:49

Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) parliament in Iraq is entertaining a motion of an amendment to presidency that would allow parliament to elect the president by secret ballot of parliament members rather than a general election. PUK and Goran are pushing this position with support of the Islamic Union of Kurdistan (IUK) and . Islamic Group in Kurdistan (IGK). KDP opposes it, seeing it as a measure to remove Barzani from the presidency. Barzani called for a new election for president in August and he (or his son or nephew) would presumably on the KDP ticket. Problem is, the draft constitution says his time is up. Lots of claims of threats of violence if KDP doesn't get its way. Trouble is, KDP doesn't have a majority of seats in parliament (nor did it get a majority in the last parliamentary elections nor in the governate elections). Gorran (the 2nd largest party) and PUK (the 3rd largest party) have enough votes in either parliament or a general election to unseat KDP and Barzani. 57 out of 111 MPs attend current Kurdistan parliament session--54 KDP affiliated parliament members boycotted the session.

The relevancy to Rojava? PUK and Gorran are far more pro-Rojava than Barzani and the KDP are.

https://twitter.com/SlemaniTimes (PUK media)

https://twitter.com/kurdcommentary

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230620153 (KDP media)

http://kurdistantribune.com/2015/democrats-v-authoritarians-kurdistan-region-at-the-crossroads/

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Jun 23 2015 17:01

Hi Folks!

Really amazing that nobody (kurremkarmerruk? Flint?) didn’t yet publish on Libcom the great last text of the “Kurdish anarchist” Zaher Baher: “The Reconstruction of Kobane – Thoughts of a Kurdish Anarchist”…

Full of instructive stands and grasping about class struggle, state, capitalism and other stuffs…

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This resulted in bringing back decision making into the hands of communities. This also leads to decentralization and weakening the authority of the state.

NO! “Decentralization” doesn’t mean and lead to “weakening the authority of the state”, it’s just another way and form how the state gets organized and how capitalism reforms itself. BTW “the state” cannot be confined and restricted to governmental structures and apparatuses.

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Capitalism has not been developed in Rojava yet. There are no big corporations, companies or factories. Therefore, the ugly face of capitalism cannot be seen here. In contrast in Bakur there is some form of undeveloped capitalism. This is as a result of a deliberate racist policy from the regime, to exclude Kurdistan from major developments.

GREAT such a grasping of what capitalism is! BTW why then to write just before:

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Rojava is an agricultural region and it is very rich in oil, gas and phosphates. […] With all these resources the area can be self-sufficient, without a need from the central government.

It’s true that PKK/PYD is able to manage this sector of the economy without any “central government”. And then Zaher Baher is falling into apology of the development of tourism, probably as a way to develop “Revolution in Rojava” and in the rest of Kurdistan:

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In addition the Van Lake is in the heart of Kurdistan. The area with it’s high and snow covered mountains can be a tourist attraction too.

And even farther in the text, he insists:

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In addition of the agricultural nature of Van; the region has a great potential to become a great tourist attraction. The House of people in Van has future plans to make it more attractive for tourists and have Eco-tourist projects to protect people and the environment.

And as “Democratic confederalism” praised and applied by PKK/PYD in Rojava as well as in Bakur (Turkish Kurdistan) aims at conserving/abolishing national boundaries (very original conception) between the nations-states of the region, Rojava will surely also become a touristic region as it’s already a destination for Westerner academics delegations trying to find there a renewal of their carriers.

But there as everywhere under the black sun of capitalism, the contradiction bourgeoisie vs. proletariat expresses itself:

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One of the other problems facing people is the poor production up to 50% less than expected. This is due to the distraction activities of the regime’s forces. There is also the culture of lack of confidence among people […].

YES indeed! Well done, old mole! A “lack of confidence among people”… What a polite way to say that the proles “there” as “here” don’t care about all these speeches about restructuration of capital even if under mottos like “social economy”, “private property in profit of everybody”, ad nauseam…

Have good reading nevertheless of this text as well as “A mountain river has many bends: an introduction to the Rojava revolution” which is a sheer piece of reformism…

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Jun 23 2015 17:06
Guerre de Classe wrote:
it’s already a destination for Westerner academics delegations trying to find there a renewal of their carriers.

Someone has professor envy.

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Jun 23 2015 17:20
Guerre de Classe wrote:
Have good reading nevertheless of this text as well as “A mountain river has many bends: an introduction to the Rojava revolution” which is a sheer piece of reformism…

"reformism"

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Traditional “private property” was abolished in late 2012, meaning all buildings, land, and infrastructure fell under control of the various city councils. This did not mean people no longer owned their homes or businesses, however. The councils implemented an “ownership by use” sovereign principle, a principle that could not be overturned by any council. Ownership by use means that when a building like a home or a business is being used by a person or persons, the users would in fact own the land and structures but would not be able to sell them on an open market. Öcalan wrote that use ownership is what prevents speculation and capital accumulation which in turn leads to exploitation. Aside from property owned by use, in principle any other property would become commons. This abolishing of private property did not extend to commodities like automobiles, machines, electronics, furniture, etc. but was limited to land, infrastructure, and structures.

The commons encompasses land, infrastructure, and buildings not owned by individuals but held in stewardship by the councils. Councils can turn over these public goods to individuals to be used. Commons are conceived of as a way to provide both a safety net for those without resources and a way to maximize use of the material resources of the community. Commons also include the ecological aspects of the region including water, parks, wildlife and wilderness, and even most livestock. According to Dr. Ahmad Yousef, an economic co-minister, three-quarters of traditional private property is being used as commons and one quarter is still being owned by use of individuals. The economic plan (PEP) posits that the commons are robust enough economically that there is no need for taxes, and since the beginning of the Rojava revolution there have been no taxes of any type.

Worker administration is the third leg of the stool of the economic plan. Workers are to control the means of production in their workplace through worker councils that are responsible to the local councils. According to the Ministry of Economics, worker councils have only been set up for about one third of the enterprises in Rojava so far. Worker councils are coordinated by the various economic ministries and local councils to assure a smooth flow of goods, supplies, and other essentials.

I wonder by what criteria Guerre de Classe would regard something as "revolutionist". Four quarters of all property being commons? Five Sixths? Seven Eighths? Nine Tenths? And Workers Councils in half the enterprises? two thirds? three fourths? Workers councils in every 2 member family enterprise?

I still think compared to the situation for the majority of the world's proletarians, the Rojava reforms would be quite welcome.

I'm willing to reserve judgement until I hear how the thousand potential workers at the Lafarge Cement Plant are organized and how the product of that plant is distributed before I decide.