Egypt - Reaction to Morsi and MB seizure of power

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Dec 12 2012 22:20

Jano Charbel on "independent" Mahalla:

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/opposition-morsy-mahalla-declares-autonomy

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Dec 13 2012 10:14

Ties in pretty much with what I've seen from other sources. No dual power in Mahalla so far, basically.

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Dec 13 2012 13:38

http://communismeouvrier.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/egypte-le-chaos-politique-sapprofondit/

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Dec 17 2012 14:24

This one looks interesting: http://oreaddaily.blogspot.it/2012/12/the-mahalla-soviet.html

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In response to the indictments in Alexandria

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Last Sunday, during the Alexandria court hearing which was to pronounce a verdict on police officers accused of killing protesters during clashes in January 2011, the police in charge of guarding the court began to provoke the victims' families and activists who had come to support them peacefully as they had done for previous hearings. After the provocation, the police charged the crowd violently. The charge quickly became a race to grab any person in the vicinity, and there were beatings and arrests everywhere. Thirty-one people were arrested and transferred to the notorious Al Gharbanyat prison in the region of the city of Borg El Arab (45 km south of Alexandria) without allowing those arrested to contact their relatives or lawyers.

Among the arestees are four of our comrades, although they did not participate in the support rally outside the court or in the clashes with the police. These comrades are:

Mohammed Izz al-Din
Amir Assad
Mohammed al-Badri
Mohammed Hussein

They were having coffee after their usual distribution of leaflets, which leads us to believe that their arrest was not improvised but premeditated. Because these comrades are amongst the most active members of the LSM, they are present at every strike and every demonstration and the intelligence services know them very well. The charges against the 31 are: conspiracy to commit vandalism and the destruction of public property, as well as the use of violence against the forces of law and order.

This Wednesday, 23 January, there was a hearing to request that the holding period be extended, though the police were objecting to the prisoners being transferred, on the pretext that moving them would involve security problems. The prosecutor validated this absurd decision of the police and postponed the arraignment to Wednesday, 30 January at Borg El Arab court and not the Mansheya court (Alexandria) where the clashes took place. This decision condemns those arrested to stay another 10 days in jail without any legal justification. Despite this, the media and human rights organizations are silent.

We accuse the Ministry of the Interior of abuse and revenge against our comrades and the other arrestees, both for the violent repression and for their imprisonment without fixed charges for 10 days in prison under close surveillance, when they are merely supposed to be "on remand".

We also accuse the fascist Muslim Brotherhood government of being behind this repression against any person and any popular committee which claims its rights, as well as those who support them against the government and its acolytes.

Despite the indictment of our comrades, we will not resign ourselves to accepting the State's tyranny, and we appeal for solidarity from all anarchist and revolutionary organizations around the world. We ask that you show your support for our comrades at Egyptian embassies and consulates.

Our struggle will continue until the State and capitalism have been abolished.
Libertarian Socialist Movement, Egypt

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Jan 26 2013 17:38

Egyptian Anarchist Movement Emerges with Wave of Firebombings and Street Fights

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Anarchists have been present in Egypt before, during, and after the revolution, but until today, they have yet to organize a mass grouping under the banner of anarchism. The Ultras of Egypt’s football clubs have for years been associated with anarchist ideas and actions, and they are widely credited with having initiated the level militancy that brought down the Mubarak government in February of 2011.

Last night, anarchism left the graffitied walls, small conversations, and online forums of Egypt, and came to life in Cairo, declaring itself a new force in the ongoing social revolution sparked two years ago with multiple firebombings against Muslim Brotherhood offices. Later, the government shutdown the “Black Blocairo” and “Egyptian Black Bloc” Facebook pages, but they were soon re-launched.

“Wait for our next attacks as we respond to the closing of our official page…” they posted in a statement posted online this morning (translated below).

Today, the black bloc made its first mass-appearance in Tahrir Square, and, shortly after, firebombed the Shura Council (Egyptian Parliament), tore down a section of the protest-barrier walls leading from Tahrir Square, and, with others, engaged in fighting against security forces.

These statements and actions are in preparation for tomorrow’s second anniversary of the revolution, and for what some are calling “a whole new level” or protest in Egypt.

Anarchism and the black bloc concept has grown in recent months across Egypt, Stemming from various anarchist grouping/circles that coalesced during the revolutionary period. A massive distrust among the youth of all political parties, a sharp critique of the role of religion within governance, and the inspiration of anarchist resistance around the world (largely symbolized by the late-2008 revolt in Greece) have helped it catalyze.

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Below is the statement of Black Blocairo in regards to the removal of their websites, their firebombing attacks against government offices, and their calls for revolt:

“Yesterday and after we finished our event, we met some of the revolutionary movements and we decided to unite together in our next attacks, hence we did our first two attacks, as we told you yesterday:

1- Setting fire to Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) online office.

2- Setting fire in the Ikhwan office in Al-Manial street in Cairo.

And we announced our revolution since today in Al-Tahrir Square untill Egypt and it’s people get their rights back! Life, Freedom and social justice!

Black Blocairo, The Hooligans

Wait for our next attacks as we respond to the closing of our official page…”

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Jan 26 2013 21:45

Finally! The army's use of lethal force on crowds has finally provoked people to actually shoot back.

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Jan 27 2013 02:06

WOOT! We're causing some trouble! The people of Egypt stood up to Mubarak and won and now they're standing up to Morsi!

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian state is such a paper tiger, it's only a matter of time before mere democracy is off the table.

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Jan 27 2013 12:15

Recopilation of some interesting articles:

About the repulse of the IMF loans:

Last article in Al-Jazeera about the protests:

Al-Jazeera: Talk with a young protester bloger and a yankee analist.

Al-Jazeera Photo gallery of the riots in El Cairo (mentioning the blac block).

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Jan 28 2013 12:11

Some Egypt based bloggers wondering what to make of the Black Bloc:

Zeinobia: Black Bloc and its enigma

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Black Bloc is the new black in Egypt! Since their announcement that they do exist in Egypt and since their parade last Thursday as well their role last Friday in the clashes, the media, the government and the MB could not stop speaking about them up till now!

Suddenly the anarchic group is spread like fire across the country through out the governorates. Since when anarchism is popular in Egypt let alone how a group like that to plan and organize itself in this way! There is something not clear or correct.

Now we got two Facebook pages speaking on behalf of the enigmatic group: Revolution Black Bloc and Black Bloc Egypt'

Amazingly the last page is using verses from the Holy Quran in its posts and FB cover. I do not know but we are speaking a new anarchism if it is truly anarchism in the first place…

Now the MB and its members and supporters are crazy with that new group. As I hinted it is the new black, it is their new bogey man…

Zeinobia: Black Bloc in Egypt

The Lede: A 'Black Bloc' emerges in Egypt

Sarah Carr: Back to the squares, without the Brothers

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Last Sunday, during the Alexandria court hearing which was to pronounce a verdict on police officers accused of killing protesters during clashes in January 2011, the police in charge of guarding the court began to provoke the victims' families and activists who had come to support them peacefully as they had done for previous hearings. After the provocation, the police charged the crowd violently. The charge quickly became a race to grab any person in the vicinity, and there were beatings and arrests everywhere. Thirty-one people were arrested and transferred to the notorious Al Gharbanyat prison in the region of the city of Borg El Arab (45 km south of Alexandria) without allowing those arrested to contact their relatives or lawyers.

Among the arestees are four of our comrades, although they did not participate in the support rally outside the court or in the clashes with the police. These comrades are:

1. Mohammed Izz al-Din
2. Amir Assad
3. Mohammed al-Badri
4. Mohammed Hussein

They were having coffee after their usual distribution of leaflets, which leads us to believe that their arrest was not improvised but premeditated. Because these comrades are amongst the most active members of the LSM, they are present at every strike and every demonstration and the intelligence services know them very well. The charges against the 31 are: conspiracy to commit vandalism and the destruction of public property, as well as the use of violence against the forces of law and order.

This Wednesday, 23 January, there was a hearing to request that the holding period be extended, though the police were objecting to the prisoners being transferred, on the pretext that moving them would involve security problems. The prosecutor validated this absurd decision of the police and postponed the arraignment to Wednesday, 30 January at Borg El Arab court and not the Mansheya court (Alexandria) where the clashes took place. This decision condemns those arrested to stay another 10 days in jail without any legal justification. Despite this, the media and human rights organizations are silent.

We accuse the Ministry of the Interior of abuse and revenge against our comrades and the other arrestees, both for the violent repression and for their imprisonment without fixed charges for 10 days in prison under close surveillance, when they are merely supposed to be "on remand".

We also accuse the fascist Muslim Brotherhood government of being behind this repression against any person and any popular committee which claims its rights, as well as those who support them against the government and its acolytes.

Despite the indictment of our comrades, we will not resign ourselves to accepting the State's tyranny, and we appeal for solidarity from all anarchist and revolutionary organizations around the world. We ask that you show your support for our comrades at Egyptian embassies and consulates.

Our struggle will continue until the State and capitalism have been abolished.

Libertarian Socialist Movement, Egypt

24 January 2013

http://www.anarkismo.net/article/24774

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Jan 29 2013 22:43

Loads of videos on youtube of the fighting in Egypt.. here are a couple basically at random..

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Feb 2 2013 09:09

Some more videos from Al Jazeera on the situation in Egypt..

Also, I haven't watched this video yet but it looks pretty interesting..

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Feb 3 2013 01:53

An interesting read from Al Jazeera here on Egypt's anarchism

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/02/201322103219816676.html

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We are the “Class War Group”. You can visit our blog on http://autistici.org/tridnivalka/. Most of our materials are published in Czech, however many are also in English as well as in French.

We translated in Czech the text “Egypt. Like the sea” you can read here below. This text translated in Czech can be downloaded on our blog (http://autistici.org/tridnivalka/egypt-jako-more/).

Since the beginning of the so-called “Arab spring”, we already published three leaflets in solidarity with the struggles of our class brothers and sisters in this region of capitalist world called “Middle East”:

Class struggle in Maghreb and Mashrek… Class struggle worldwide… (April 2011 in Czech, English, French, German, Italian);
Greetings to proletarians in struggle in Syria, Egypt, Tunisia… and all over the world! (February 2012 in Czech, English, French, German, Greek, Spanish… and Arabic);
• And last but not least Again and again more Blood-Baath in Syria (August 2012 only in Czech, English, French).

Internationalist solidarity!
Email : tridnivalka@yahoo.com

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http://tahriricn.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/egypt-2/

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Social revolution is like the sea. Its waves chase one another, crash against the obstacles they encounter, crushing them or backing down. With all the violence of an indomitable rush, they destroy, blow after blow any trace of power, of exploitation and oppression. A first wave, immense and unexpected, swept away the dictatorship of Murabak. A second one put the army that was about to take over power on its knees. A third one is rising today against the new order that the islamists are trying to impose.

The real revolutionary storm does not obey any party, any boss, any power. On the contrary, these are its irreconcilable enemies. They will be swept away as the storm intensifies. Between the social revolution that will subvert any relation based on exploitation and power and the impostors, the bosses, the masters, the political parties, the capitalist and the authoritarians of any shade, there cannot be anything other than struggle til the bitter end. Because freedom and the end of exploitation, imply the destruction of capitalism and of any power.

It is not surprising though that those aspiring to power try to ride the revolutionary wave that is crashing through the land of the Nile; it is not surprising that the new leaders try to impose themselves through lies and deception, aided by the media and by the local governments who talk about the “opposition”; it is not surprising that the authentic revolutionary rush cannot be translated into any party program, into any referendum, into any flag or that it is not recognized by any stronghold of power around the world. Certainly those who are fighting today in Egypt against the current power do not make up a homogeneous bloc, just as not everyone aspires to real social revolution.

The ongoing struggles are crossed by thousands of contradictions: between those in opposition who demand for a constituent assembly without an overwhelming islamist influence and those who do not see any salvation in parliamentary democracy; from those who are fighting for wage increases and improved work conditions to those who want to do away with all the bosses; from those who struggle without ever putting into question their prejudices, the dominant morals, the traditions which have brought thousands of years of oppression to those who struggle in the same way against the suffocating power of the state and against the suffocating weight of patriarchy in one battle; from those who wave the national flag to those who tie their own struggle with the one of the exploited from any latitude… Perhaps it’s exactly here where the revolutionary strength of the current revolution in Egypt is found: beyond all contradictions, it is born in the guts of the exploited and the oppressed. It is here that we can find real struggle.

What is happening in Egypt can find echoes everywhere in the world where people are struggling. While for years the islamists of any tendency have presented themselves as social fighters in front of millions of people around the world, perhaps their mask will now fall in Egypt, as it is now happening in other countries (for example in the south of Tunisia). The social revolution in Egypt will be the tomb of the islamists and religious reactionaries that are disguised themselves as struggling for alleged social emancipation.

At the basis of international revolutionary solidarity there is one’s own recognition in the battles that are unleashed elsewhere. Remaining spectators of the insurrectional surges in Egypt can only contribute to its isolation and its suppression. To sustain and reinforce the real revolutionary surges over there, those who want to end with any exploitation and dominion, we need to act. Joining the fray armed with the idea of freedom, the real one.

We think, therefore, that it is appropriate to make a call out to pass to the attack, to support, where we stand, with our ideas and our means the current revolutionary wave in Egypt. If in Cairo, Alexandria, Malhalla, etc. thousands of people are jumping into the fray because they aspire to a new world, let’s make sure that every representative of the Egyptian state and capital everywhere in the world finds this conflict brought to their front door. That every statist, capitalist and servant of the world-order feels on their necks the breath of the social revolution.

Let’s sow the bonds of action among the insurrectional hotbeds in the whole world!
For the destruction of all power!

Source : anarchistnews.org

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Feb 28 2013 15:40

Anti-Morsi protesters attack governorate HQ in Egypt's Nile Delta

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Clashes are re-ignited in restive Nile Delta city of Mansoura after demonstrators stage rally to protest detention of fellow activists

Ahram Online , Wednesday 27 Feb 2013

Dozens of protesters attacked the Daqahliya governorate headquarters in the Nile Delta city of Mansoura on Wednesday evening to protest the state prosecution's decision to detain for four days those arrested in recent clashes with police.

Part of the governorate caught fire prompting a fire truck to rush to the scene, Al-Ahram's Arabic-language news website reported.

The fire was eventually extinguished and calm restored to the area. Security has also been stepped up and attempts remain ongoing to clear the streets on which protesters had converged.

Clashes between anti-Muslim Brotherhood protesters and security forces in Mansoura intensified on Tuesday evening, leaving dozens injured and arrested.

Hundreds of security personnel cracked down on protesters who had blocked Suez Canal Street near the governorate headquarters.

The clashes followed calls on Sunday for a civil disobedience campaign in Mansoura to protest against President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood group from which he hails.

Protesters accused Brotherhood members and security forces of attacking them on Monday as they attempted to close down the Daqahliya governorate building.

Port Said, situated on Egypt's Suez Canal, has been subject to a ten-day-long civil disobedience campaign after death sentences were handed down to 21 local residents for their roles in last year's Port Said stadium disaster .

In Mahalla, located in the Gharbiya governorate, hundreds went on strike, blocking the main routes into the city on Sunday as part of the ongoing civil disobedience campaign against President Morsi.

VIDEO: Civil disobedience calls spark demos, clashes in Egypt's Daqahliya

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Protesters are met with violence after calling for campaign of civil disobedience in Nile Delta city of Mansoura, while government employees seem to support their demands

Osman El Sharnoubi, Wednesday 27 Feb 2013

Attempts by activists to bring the Egyptian city of Mansoura, capital of the Nile Delta governorate of Daqahliya, into an ongoing campaign of civil disobedience has led to two nights of intense clashes between police and protesters.

The area around Mansoura's governorate headquarters was hit with torrents of teargas fired by the police at protesters over the course of the past 48 hours.

The clashes have left dozens of protesters and several police officers injured since Monday.

Protesters also clashed with another group of citizens who they claimed were members of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

Mansoura saw a spate of major protests on the second anniversary of the Egyptian revolution in January, in which protesters demonstrated against the government and the Muslim Brotherhood, the group from which President Mohamed Morsi hails.

Opposition protesters across Egypt accuse Morsi and the Brotherhood of adopting Mubarak-era tactics to quell calls for achieving revolutionary goals. The anniversary protests quickly turned into clashes that left over 50 dead in several cities.

Protesters in Mansoura told Ahram Online that Brotherhood members were trying to abort their civil disobedience campaign. They say that local Brotherhood members had come to protect governorate employees from allegedly "violent" protesters.

"Brotherhood members came Monday while we were urging governorate employees to join the civil disobedience campaign and started the violence by beating two women," protester and Egyptian Popular Current member Mahmoud Abdel-Aleem told Ahram Online.

"After that, we clashed with them as security forces stood idly by."

Employees at the governor's office helped protesters drive off the attackers, Abdel-Aleem told Ahram Online on Tuesday.

After the attackers had fled the scene, he recounted, Central Security Forces (CSF) fired large amounts of teargas at the peaceful protesters. This led to clashes that lasted throughout the night.

Head of criminal investigations in Daqahliya Atef Mahran denied that police had unjustly attacked protesters. He told Ahram Online that security forces had only responded to attacks on the governorate building and had attempted to separate the clashing parties.

Government employees show signs of sympathy with protesters

Some employees interviewed by Ahram Online corroborated the protesters' accounts, saying they had seen "bearded men" – allegedly Brotherhood members – beat two female protesters attempting to engage them in conversation. This reportedly enraged protesters, sparking the ensuing clashes.

Governorate employees, although continuing to go to work, appear sympathetic to protesters' calls for civil disobedience .

As Ahram Online was interviewing protesters chanting against the government at the governorate headquarters, a sign bearing the word "Leave" was hung out of a window. The demand was directed at President Morsi.

Signs of solidarity with the protesters became increasingly apparent as employees finished their working day and stood among the protesters .

"Why did the Brotherhood come, to protect us?" governorate employee Ahmed Abdullah asked. "We don't need protection; the protesters are peaceful and if we needed protection we can protect ourselves."

Abdullah told Ahram Online that he had stood with the protesters during the clashes. He criticised the Morsi administration, saying: "They have brought nothing but murder and destruction to the country."

"They [the Brotherhood] are liars, while the president doesn't take a decision without rescinding it shortly afterward. Everyone has had it with them," Abdullah said.

An employee who refused to give her name told Ahram Online that "everyone is working" and that there was no strike or intention to join the civil disobedience campaign. Another employee, however, who also preferred to remain anonymous, said: "The governor isn't allowing us to leave our offices, but we're all supporting the calls for civil disobedience."

Governorate employee Ahmed Abu Dahab told Ahram Online that there had been a decision by the governor to eschew any form of solidarity with the protesters. The governor had said that anyone who went against the decision would risk being brought before a disciplinary board, said Abu Dahab.

His colleague Abdullah denied this, saying he had not received any memo to this effect, only to be interrupted by Abu Dahab, who said the governor's alleged decision had been given verbally.

Another employee leaving the building after working hours yelled to a group of nearby protesters, saying: "We're with you; just don't engage in acts of thuggery."

Asked why employees were still coming to work despite their alleged sympathies with protesters' calls, Abdullah said it came down to material reasons. "Employees are poor citizens," he said. "They can't afford not to work."

A forced campaign?

The Muslim Brotherhood's Daqahliya website reported that a group of "thugs" had prevented employees from entering the governorate building "by force."

A Brotherhood member quoted on the website said on Tuesday that Egyptians were mature enough to know the difference between peaceful protesters and thugs. He said that employees were going to work normally and didn't care about what "those thugs" were saying or doing.

"We didn't force anyone not to work; we only called on the employees to join us," protester Wesam El-Shahat told Ahram Online. "They lie in the media, saying we forcefully prevented the employees from entering the building, which isn't the case."

Waleed Abu Samra, a protester who says he is also a member of the National Salvation Front opposition group, said the civil disobedience campaign had been called for in Mansoura as a "last resort" to realise revolutionary demands for "bread, freedom, social justice and human dignity" – demands, he said, which were far from being achieved by the current government.

"The government is working on 'Brotherhoodising' the state; this is its primary concern. But this wasn't a demand raised in Tahrir Square during the 25 January revolution," Abu Samra said.

Abu Samra added that civil disobedience was the "final stage of peaceful political dissent." He insisted that protesters in Mansoura had not prevented anyone from working, since this would represent a violent act and thus – by definition – contradict the concept of civil disobedience.

Abu Samra said that, even though employees were still going to work, they were supporting the civil disobedience calls. He pointed to the employees peering out the governorate building's windows and asked: "Do they look like they're working?"

"We will continue," he added, removing barriers to traffic on a main road that had been put in place by some of the younger protesters, arguing that blocking the road forcefully contradicted their cause. The road was eventually opened to traffic.

Attempts to start a campaign of civil disobedience in Daqahliya were first launched following a similar campaign in Port Said.

A 26 January court verdict sentencing 21 Port Said residents to death led to clashes that left over 40 dead, mostly civilians, in the restive canal city. A curfew was subsequently declared on the city, which prompted citizens to defy it and launch a civil disobedience campaign that was partially answered by local residents.

In September of last year, a civil disobedience campaign was also launched in the village of Tahsin in the Daqahliya governorate to protest government neglect and deteriorating infrastructure.

On Sunday, hundreds went on strike and blocked the main roads in the Nile Delta city of Mahalla in the adjacent Gharbiya governorate as part of a similar campaign of civil disobedience.

"God willing, we'll have an even more organised civil disobedience drive than the one now going on in Port Said," El-Shahat said.

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Jun 24 2013 08:29

Apparently there have been more protests in Egypt recently, with one planned for June 30th, calling for Morsi to step down:

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Opposition groups are planning a major protest on June 30 to mark the one-year anniversary of Morsi's inauguration and demand his resignation.

There are widespread fears that the demonstrations could turn violent: At a pro-government rally on Friday, several speakers threatened to "crush" the opposition. Two people have already been shot dead in clashes over the weekend.

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Jun 30 2013 10:33

"Apparently there have been more protests in Egypt recently, with one planned for June 30th, calling for Morsi to step down"

The SWP, supported his election. "Vote Muslim Brotherhood" (without illusions of course.)

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=28611

How often do they need proved wrong. The SWP lesser evil turned out to be a more evil and did it require a crystal ball to predict?

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Jun 30 2013 10:37

Open letter by the Egyptian activist collective ‘Comrades from Cairo’

http://roarmag.org/2013/06/from-tahrir-and-rio-to-taksim-the-smell-of-teargas/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+roarmag+%28ROAR+Magazine%29

".....None of us are fighting in isolation. We face common enemies from Bahrain, Brazil and Bosnia, Chile, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Kurdistan, Tunisia, Sudan, the Western Sahara and Egypt. And the list goes on. Everywhere they call us thugs, vandals, looters and terrorists. We are fighting more than economic exploitation, naked police violence or an illegitimate legal system. It is not rights or reformed citizenship that we fight for.....We are not advocating to unify or equate our various battles, but it is the same structure of authority and power that we have to fight, dismantle, and bring down. Together, our struggle is stronger.

We want the downfall of the System."

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Jul 1 2013 09:33

AJ's post on the SWP position supporting Morsi is interesting. It's not the first time that this nationalist, British party has supported elements of Islamic fundamentalism and this ties in with US and British support for the Morsi regime. Though details are hard to come by the British bourgeoisie are supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in and around the imperialist carnage in Syria - what the SWP call the "Syrian revolution". It's not unusual for the SWP and the British Foreign Office to be on the same side.

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Egypt's Brotherhood is panicking, Western capitals are confused
Western capitals were surprised by the scale of Sunday's anti-Morsi protests; Washington may be forced to drop President Morsi like it did Mubarak
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Jul 1 2013 16:05

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/protesters-ransack-muslim-brotherhood-hq-demand-morsis-resignation/2013/07/01/f3f79698-e23c-11e2-a11e-c2ea876a8f30_story.html

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“If the demands of the people are not met within the given period of time, [the military] will be compelled by its national and historic responsibilities, and in respect for the demands of Egypt’s great people, to announce a roadmap for the future, and procedures that it will supervise involving the participation of all the factions and groups.”

I wonder how popular the idea of a military coup is on the ground there. A lot of articles have been saying things like "protestors are hoping the military will force Morsi to step down" like it's a point of fact.

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Jul 1 2013 16:22

Whoops!

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5.16pm BST

Security forces have arrested 15 bodyguards of Brotherhood leader Khairat al-Shater "after an exchange of fire in which no one was injured," Reuters reports based on "security sources":

Shater's family telephoned Al Jazeera television station to report that his home was under police attack.

The sources said security forces were involved in an exchange of fire with the guards after going to arrest them for alleged unlawful possession of firearms.

Shater's whereabouts were not immediately known. He is widely regarded as the strongest personality in the Islamist movement, but who was barred from running for president last year because he had been jailed under toppled ex-President Hosni Mubarak's authoritian rule.

That's a pretty unambiguous move...

edit: from Grauniad liveblog

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Jul 1 2013 16:26

SWP do a 180 on MB - http://socialistworker.co.uk/art/33754/Egypts+Revolutionary+Socialists+call+for+general+strike+until+the+fall+of+the+regime

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Jul 1 2013 16:33

Ah. And now the helicopters. That's usually not a good sign either.

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Jul 1 2013 19:56

Thats not a SWP thing. Most if not all of the political parties of the left in Egypt as well as the liberals that apparently are staging a military coup right now supported or were allied with the MB at one point or another. Its not a 180, they have been spinning in circles ever since the protests against Mubarak began.

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Jul 2 2013 16:27

To be fair, the SWP have had a relationship with the MB going back to the Stop the War Coalition in 2003 and later formalised by their alliance with the Muslim Association of Britain in the Respect coalition. It predates the Feb 2011 overthrow of Mubarak.

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Jul 2 2013 16:33

Shit blowing up..

Interesting quote from one of the people interviewed, something along the lines of "no one called us out, we're all drivers or manufacturers and we don't want the Muslim Brotherhood... it's either us or them"..

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Jul 2 2013 18:46

[quote\ocelot]To be fair, the SWP have had a relationship with the MB going back to the Stop the War Coalition in 2003 and later formalised by their alliance with the Muslim Association of Britain in the Respect coalition. It predates the Feb 2011 overthrow of Mubarak.

Not only that, but together with the Revolutionary Socialists and the Muslim Brotherhood they organized the series of Anti-imperialism conferences in Cairo. Pretty much just like any other SWP event.

Mark.
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Joined: 11-02-07
Jul 2 2013 21:14

Interview from yesterday (before the ultimatum from the army)

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How are anarchists organizing within this particular moment. I got the sense that some of you were involved with Tamarod, but are you playing a particular role?

No, anarchists didn’t sign onto the Tamarod declaration. Tamarod is not revolutionary at all. It was just obvious that the movement connected with millions of Egyptians, so we joined the protests. The protesters yesterday were against the idea of an Islamic dictator, but at the same time, most of them are okay with a civil or military dictator. Fuck any dictator. We’ll never forget. We’ll never forgive.

And you’ve got an anarchist tent in Tahrir, right now?

Yes. We’ve got four tents, actually.

Are you doing anything particular from those spaces?

Right now, we’re working to ensure old regime supporters don’t take over the sit-in.

Like physically stopping them? Are there felool [people nostalgic for the former regime] in the square?

A lot of them.

Are they attacking protesters, or just trying to infiltrate the movement?

They’re trying to convince people to let the SCAF [Egypt's military council] take power again.

There are uprisings happening in Turkey, Brazil, Bulgaria and Chile right now. There was brief indication that it was spreading to Indonesia and Paraguay as well, and of course there is the ongoing struggle in Bahrain. Egypt has been a huge inspiration for a lot of these movements. When you overthrew Mubarak, Tunisia had happened, but not much else. Does it feel different, this time? Do you feel a part of something global?

It’s different, for sure. Now, the fear comes from the possibility of civil war. Mubark was shit, but he never played the civil-war card. Morsi is so stupid that he doesn’t even seem to grasp that we could very likely wind up killing each other in the streets. Things are happening now that never happened before, like people attacking bearded men on the street and insulting them.

I feel like this generation of youth around the world is powerfully revolutionary, and now we have the ability to share tools, and to broadcast ideas.

What are you hopeful for, right now?

I hope that people have learned something from what the Brotherhood did, and I hope it’s the beginning of the end for political Islam, or any kind of faith in religious parties.

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