Founding Congress of the new international anarcho-syndicalist and revolutionary syndicalist.

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Inicjatywa Pracownicza na kongresie założycielskim Międzynarodowej Konfederacji Pracy

W dniach 11-13 maja 2018 w Parmie we Włoszech odbył się kongres założycielski Międzynarodowej Konfederacji Pracy (ang. International Workers' Confederation). Oficjalne powołanie tej międzynarodowej organizacji poprzedzone było spotkaniami roboczymi w Barakaldo (Kraj Basków / Hiszpania) w listopadzie 2016, Frankfurcie nad Menem (Niemcy) w maju 2017 i Madrycie (Hiszpania) w styczniu 2018. Inicjatywa Pracownicza przystąpiła do organizacji decyzją ostatniego Zjazdu Delegatów i Delegatek w kwietniu 2017, a więc jeszcze w trakcie jej tworzenia, na zaproszenie niemieckiego Wolnego Związku Pracowników (FAU) oraz hiszpańskiej Krajowej Konfederacji Pracy (CNT). "Międzynarodówka" zrzesza związki zawodowe odwołujące się do tradycji anarcho-syndykalizmu oraz rewolucyjnego syndykalizmu.

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May 26 2018 19:50
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Μια νέα Διεθνής γεννιέται!

11-13 Μάη διεξήχθη στην Πάρμα της Ιταλίας το ιδρυτικό συνέδριο της νέας διεθνούς. Και το όνομα αυτής: Διεθνής Συνομοσπονδία Εργασίας (ICL). Στη νέα διεθνή συνδικαλιστικών ενώσεων του αναρχοσυνδικαλισμού και του επαναστατικού συνδικαλισμού συμμετέχουν οι : CNT (Ισπανία), FAU (Γερμανία), USI (Ιταλία) και FORA (Αργεντινή) που προέρχονται από την παλιά AIT καθώς και οι ΕΣΕ (Ελλάδα), IP (Πολωνία) και οι IWW (Βόρεια Αμερική και Ευρώπη). Ως παρατηρητές συμμετείχαν οι CNT-F (Γαλλία), FOB (Βραζιλία), Vrije Bond (Ολλανδία και Βέλγιο), GG/BO (Γερμανία) and UVW (Αγγλία).

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May 27 2018 08:01
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UVW ¡presente! at international independent union congress in Italy

United Voices of the World was proud to be invited to Italy last week to observe the founding Congress of the International Confederation of Labour, a new initiative to unite independent unions and workers’ organisations across frontiers.

UVW representatives Claudia Turbet-Delof, Juliana Salgado Vega, Wilson Tovar and Paul Salgado joined other union activists and organisers from 17 countries at the Congress in the city of Parma.

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May 30 2018 01:28
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Just to clarify numbers.

Unions that left IWA were more than 90% of IWA membership, still we do not claim that name.
Unions that left CNT in different years were less than 5% of CNT membership (and I am being very generous)... still they claim the name. It is just ridiculous.

Actual ICL will be between 20 to 30 times bigger than IWA.... and still smaller than Spanish CGT, there is lots of work forward, everybody should focus on making their local group grow. There is no revolution without masses.

90% is the figure most often quoted by dictators as their share of the vote in the democratic elections they conduct. But even this lacks credibility, Putin was smart enough to only claim 70% as a more plausible figure. This device, oft used by politicians, constitutes an appeal to the authority of public opinion and as such, is consistent with the authoritarian attitude of imagining the CNT is entitled to 're-found' the IWA. It essentially boils down to the concept of 'might is right'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_makes_right

Yepa quotes no credible or verifiable figures in support of his claims and presumes the IWA is doing nothing to make "their local group(s) grow". The IWA is currently experiencing a rate of growth unmatched by any affiliate of CIT bar none.

There seems to be something of an obsession about quantity on behalf of CIT affiliates (mooted or otherwise) while ignoring the reality that in global terms, the CIT itself is quite insignificant. And yet Yepa stands upright, legs astride, hands on hips and taunts the IWA "Ours is 20 to 30 times bigger than yours" without even apparently a frisson of embarrassment.

And just to clarify the numbers further, it is my understanding that minimum membership requirement for prospective affiliates of the CIT has been adjusted from the arbitrary figure of 125 to the equally arbitrary figure of 75. When it was originally proposed at the 2010 Congress to exclude those sections with a membership of less than 125 from voting, it was argued for the basis of a vague appeal to representative democracy despite the reality that the IWA was a federation of sections, with each section equal. It was argued that 5 Russians shouldn't have the same decision-making power as 10,000 Spaniards completely ignoring the fact that they themselves participated in the decision to admit the "5 Russians" as a section in the first place.

That the figure has now been adjusted downwards demonstrates, in my view, that the purpose of the proposal to apply a minimum had nothing to do with any commitment to democracy and everything to do with exclusion and the concentration of decision-making power into fewer hands (had the 125 figure been adopted, every IWA section, i.e. the majority, would have been excluded save four sections;CNT, FAU, USI and SolFed). This is further evidence of the centralising authoritarian drift of the CIT.

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May 30 2018 02:19
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I'm not sure what happened to Akai's comment stating that the CNT is subject to Basque Nationalism simply because the current secretariat and some of the largest unions are in the Basque country - was that the one they deleted? In any case, there is a fundamentally racist and chauvinist logic at play there. The implication is that internationalists should only base themselves in "Spain" proper, which is obviously garbage.

If that is a demonstration "fundamentally racist and chauvinist logic", how would you describe the notion of the IWW being 'of the world' when they are obviously and largely confined to the Anglosphere? Is not the idea that the template for revolutionary unionism originating in the United States over a century ago and eminently suited to export globally (mirroring the US government's presumption its model of democracy is universally applicable) a demonstration of "fundamentally racist and chauvinist logic" by your definition?

The current Secretary of the IWA is the first one to be serious about building the IWA outside the narrow confines of the North Atlantic with a particular emphasis on, but not limited to, Asia. From the moment the current Secretary of the IWA became responsible for the office, she took initiatives to that effect; organising the the IWA events in Hong Kong and Taipei in 2014. When this was first proposed, the USI (CIT affiliate since May this year) denounced it as a "waste of the IWA's money" and accused of the IWA Secretary of seeking a "paid holiday" at the IWA's expense. Would you describe your compatriot's attitude to organising in Asia as a wasted effort as "fundamentally racist and chauvinist logic"?

Indeed, the enthusiasm with which the current IWA Secretary sought to expand the IWA beyond the narrow confines of Europe (approx.pop. 0.5 billion) towards Asia (approx. pop. 4.5 billion) in 2014 was regarded by the CNT/FAU/USI as a serious threat to their hegemony over the IWA as they were concurrently engaged in a campaign to concentrate decision-making power into fewer hands and was probably the final straw that triggered the CNT to declare in December 2015 that they would arrogate to themselves the authority to 're-found' the IWA to make it great again. From their point of view, it was bad enough that upstart East Europeans imagined themselves to be the equal of the CNT/FAU/USI 'real unions' without a whole bunch of interlopers from Asia, I mean, how could they be expected to manipulate that many votes? Would this sufficiently fit the definition proffered?

If anyone is making statements that are "obviously garbage", I would suggest it's you as it appears not to be based on any facts but on a single opinion of a single person that you claim has been deleted.

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May 30 2018 03:15
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Akai is basically acting at this point like a jealous ex who is trying to smear their former partner's reputation. Nobody in any of the unions who were at Parma is spending any time talking about the IWA anymore, except that I've heard a few people make positive comments about the growth in Bangladesh. All of the vitriol is coming in one direction. It's time to move on. If I was in a group affiliated to the IWA, I would be embarrassed that this is the activity of the general secretary.

I admit I'm surprised to learn that yourself and Melenas are qualified psychiatrists but not surprised that you would submit her to your pathologising gaze (an authoritarian act in and of itself). Denouncing criticism of the CNT-CIT taking the CNT-AIT affiliated unions to court for defamation as vitriol is a clumsy attempt to suppress a dissenting view and a feeble effort to defend the indefensible. For the record, I am a member of an IWA affiliated workers organisation and proud of it. I'm proud to be a member of a section of the IWA, the fastest growing anarcho-syndicalist international in the world today bar none.

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The mental gymnastics for defending the small group of splitters trying to claim the CNT name are interesting. As Melenas pointed out, it's the membership of the CNT that is responsible for determining if the CNT is following its statutes and aims. There is nobody with a higher capacity than the membership as a whole. Those statutes and aims did not descend from the heavens, perfect and immutable. Those who want to position themselves as priests who guard an orthodoxy will never have anything to do with real revolutionary working class movements.

That the membership of the CNT is responsible for determining if the CNT is following its statutes and aims is predicated on the assumption that all the facts and relevant information were made available to the membership when they made the decision. If there were facts and relevant information that was omitted or distorted or manipulated, then it would render the decision invalid. The failsafe against a bad decision is the process of ratification which occurs only in the duly constituted assemblies of the affiliates not behind a closed door of a hastily convened meeting of delegates at the Congress venue on the day.

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As has been pointed out, there were strong arguments against this new international trying to claim the name of the IWA. The unions at Parma decided not to and to create a new name. The small groups which left the CNT are in the same position, and should take the same path (though I suspect that all that is holding them together is their desire to be the "true" CNT). If they have anything real to offer to the working class, the name won't matter.

Yes, these strong arguments were made by myself and others on the basis that the entirely authoritarian act of declaring the 're-founding' of the IWA by any section was completely inconsistent with the practice of anarcho-syndicalism. Yet, when the declaration was made the FAU, the USI and the IWW were the first on board. The major flaw in your argument is that it is based on the entirely false premise that the "small groups" you refer to pejoratively declared that they were re-founding the CNT which they did not. Consequently they are not in the same position and your argument is found to be without merit.

The fact remains; an adherent of CIT has initiated a legal process against unions affiliated to CNT-AIT for defamation with the presumed goal of ruining it financially. Every other affiliate of the CIT are complicit in this by their tacit approval. If the CNT-AIT is as small and inconsequential as you and others a making out, why is the CNT-CIT attempting wipe out any trace of it? Perhaps it is because that for as long as the CNT-AIT exists, the legitimacy of the CNT-CIT will remain in question. The CNT-AIT has every right to call itself CNT. Nobody is trying to stop CNT-CIT calling itself CNT. The CNT has split in two; one remains true to anarcho-syndicalism and the IWA while the other has chosen a different path and created a new international. Let them.

The CIT has made claims it wants to reach out across the world in a non-ideological, non-sectarian way. But these claims are wholly undermined by the unequivocally hostile attitude actions towards the IWA which exists right now and continues to grow.

If the CIT is serious and genuine about international co-operation, it ought call upon the CNT-CIT to drop the court case it is pursuing against anarcho-syndicalist unions as a matter of urgency.

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May 30 2018 03:21

admin: personal abuse removed. This is a warning

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May 30 2018 13:19

admin: personal abuse removed

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May 30 2018 16:36
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It kind of seems that this discussion has outlived its usefulness… Does anyone have any good reason as to why we shouldn't lock this discussion now?

Not before Juan answers to question as to why he changed the title.

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Never mind. He is a libcom admin - accountable only to libcom.

I don't really understand your aggressive and paranoid tone. I hope that you realise it is unhelpful to your cause, and will have the effect of turning people against your side in this debate.

JC is not a libcom admin as he left the collective a while ago. That said, he is still an editor on the site who helps out with things (as are several of our users), for which we are very grateful. The person who originally posted this thread changed the title. Edits need to be approved by editors, which JC did.

By the way, as I said before I largely agree with your account of what happened and why the CNT did what it did, and don't think it was good form. However you have now split and are separate organisations, so I don't think you or your organisation is going to benefit from keeping banging on about what happened.

You want to recruit and organise workers and win disputes, right? If this is the case, then new workers who join your organisation are going to be put off by spats with other groups.

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May 30 2018 18:13
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admin: personal abuse removed. This is a warning

Glad to see admins drawing a line at last. I was surprised that the two following comments were tolerated earlier - feels to me like the usual sexism that suddenly appears when male leftists can't deal with a female comrade making a stand :

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You have a big problem and is not this forum where you will find a solution, you need help of professionals.
Your obsessions are insane. You wrote an other lie in Facebook base on your own paranoia

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Akai is basically acting at this point like a jealous ex who is trying to smear their former partner's reputation.

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May 30 2018 19:19

Going to lock this thread now, it's massively overrun its course. If people really want to discuss either the CIT or IWA they can of course open new threads.

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