Jan Kucera RIP

Was just about to post about this. Really brave guy. It seems that nazis across europe have been getting pretty knife happy. When I was in Sweden the nazis there were taking out knives all the time. its been a scary year all round for anti-fascists..

it seems more and more that neo nazis are using weapons now, its a bad sign. r.i.p. jan

Just saw that video . That guy was fucking brave.

honor to kucera. a bit disturbing especially, as i'm reading with my fifth-graders (10-11 y.o.) a book called "number the stars", about a danish family who take in a jewish girl during the nazi years, her danish girlfriend declaring that she'd give her life against the nazis to protect her.

Its fucking sad. Yeah he was brave but he should have never tried to fight someone with a knife unless he was wearing kevlar.

I suppose it was a split second decision, Raw. They deffinately seem to be using weapons more and more often now, theres been quite a few antifascists killed in the last year now. Looks like its getting pretty fucking bad across Europe.

respect

Actually you can fight a knife with your bare hands, it's a common training in marshal arts.

Before I watch the video, can I ask, does it show him being stabbed?

I'm sorry if I offended you, I was simply making an observation. I wasn't meaning to be flip in the least.

yes, it does.

devrim.

ask that elsewhere. I was in UK WP sortof at the time, so i might even be able to answer it. But its not relevant here, and it is insulting to antifa cz in the context.

I am sorry if I offended you Newyawka, but I think that the political questions are important. I think that their is a danger of anti-fascism degenerating into gang warfare with two groups battling it out on the streets, and the working class ending up as passive observers. I think that it is important to be very wary of this.

In many western countries a political killing is quite unusual. Where we live it is not. In the worst period there was an average of 30 political murders a day in İstanbul alone. For us even though those events were nearly three decades ago, it still reverberates today, just small things like my wife panicking when we have a public meeting because she things its dangerous, the reason for Leo's mother so kooky being is what happened in the torture cells.

When we were in Eastern Europe we discussed the anti-fascist question with local anarchists. We warned against the dangers of being dragged into gang warfare. They replied that it was unavoidable, and it was necessary to be able to organise. Yet our (limited) experience didn't confirm this, we held public meetings, we leafleted factories, and didn't see any sign of fascists.

I think that it is valid to raise these points. Is anti-fascism leading people into gang warfare. It is a valid question. The death of one young man is a tragedy, but what happened in this country at the end of the 1970s/start of the 1980s was far worse.

Devrim

I consider myself an active antifascist, the type that goes out and harrasses fascist protests and is willing to make a direct action against the bastards. However I do this that some people in the antifascist movement get into this gang culture and often related to concert-going youth subculture. Exceptions to that have been groups of, for example, African or Latino students or Central Asians like in Moscow who were often getting beaten and organized themselves to fight back.

This question is most difficult in places where the nazis are ready to kill people.

I had many discussions about this, but it's a little hard to agree with the position of some very peaceful sorts who have argued that violence breeds violence, therefore is you are not violent towards fascists, they won't be violent towards you. This type of position can really only be held by certain members of society, i.e. white christians who look fairly normal. The rest can be a target of random violence.

That said, I do not agree with the tactic, practiced by some, that the best way to fight fascism is to prowl bars and beat up fascists sitting there. I don't necessarily mind making fun of them or even beating them, but it's no replacement for a larger movement of people who are willling to publically say no to fascism.

i think the whys and wherefors of whether antifa means becoming gang like is not for this thread, anyone wanting to debate this should start a new one. this is about a comrade who has been tragically killed by the fash, it is to pass condolences not argue the toss.