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Jun 23 2014 11:35
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The Ukrainian state is attacking and treats the eastern provinces in the most brutal way, while inside the west and center of Ukraine is prevailing bourgeois normality(more or less…).
Why is that? Why also the Ukrainian state characterizes the eastern provinces as “terrorists” (sic)?

This is ridiculous nationalist stuff, as it confuses geographic entities with subjects. There is no "eastern provinces" being attacked, but separatists fighters supported by some 12% of the population. Of course plenty of civilians will be slaughtered the sametime, and we should oppose this (and the war in general), but it is possible to do that without ridiculous nationalist analysis.

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Jun 23 2014 11:34

I expect AST members to discuss the first paragraph, whereas I will comment parts of your reply which refer to contents of the current statement and not claimed (but unsubstantiated) claims on commentaries of AST members.

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A new declaration of the AWU/AST looks more balanced and contains no sympathy for punitive operations of the Kiev authorities in the East of the country. Nevertheless, it is full of contradictions, in our opinion. So, it condemned first of all the separatist coup in eastern Ukraine ("Antimaidan"), and only then the Kiev government, although the "Antimaidan" was a reaction to the earlier "Maidan" coup.

The order of the topics is totally irrelevant. More space is sacrificed for criticism of the Kiev government than to criticism of the separatists. The fact that you are even making this a topic is ridiculous.

Coup d'etat is an event in which part of the ruling class just pushes aside another part, without any mass involvement. Revolution is a regime change with a mass involvement - not necessarily progressive, it may also be a bourgeois one.

I consider February events in Kiev as something between coup and revolution, both elements were present. However, if you claim these events as a mere "coup", you deny there was any mass involvement whatsoever. This is denial of the reality, and close to conspiracy theories of the people like Borotba organisation and other European stalinists.

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Moreover, the statement of AWU/AST contained again praise for "Maidan", which allegedly prevented the curtailing of rights and freedoms, while in fact the "Maidan" coup a opened the way for the adoption of new reactionary laws (including the "austerity" regime imposed by the EU and the IMF) and for the militarization of society, it made largely the hands free for the terror of the ultra-right groups and unleashed a spiral of confrontation, which ultimately led to the current outbreak of the Civil War.

Do you really believe the new reactionary laws would not have been adopted with the Yanukovich regime as well? That is a rather naive belief.

Issue of militarization is dealt in the resolution. As for the "terror of ultra-right groups", this is wildly exaggerated in Russian media and is obviously not the reason of the current spiral of confrontation. The "Banderovists threat" is rather a manipulative scare crow, which apparently has had an effect to you as well.

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In the spirit of the official mode of Kiev war propaganda, the statement asserted that Antimaidan is just a manifestation of aggression of "Putin and his satellites", although most of the population in eastern Ukraine has repeatedly spoken out in the past against the political forces which organized the "Maidan" coup.

Where and when has "most of the population" spoken? "Most of the population" is rather passive but against both sides.

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The authors of the statement warn against the emergence of Ukrainian "Putins" as if regime of billionaire and oligarch Poroshenko is somewhat better than the Kremlin oligarchy.

This is a straw man argument. There is plenty of criticism against Kiev regime in the statement.

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Finally, the AWU/AST condemns expansionist actions of the Russian state, but not one word mentioned inflammatory actions of its equally imperialist rivals from NATO.

Where, in Libya? Or Afghanistan? That is rather off topic. Or do you claim that Maidan was a NATO conspiracy?

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There is no mention of the need to cease hostilities and stop the death of workers under the bullets and shells of punitive forces of “anti-terrorist operation”. The statement completely ignores the catastrophic humanitarian situation in eastern Ukraine, and blames for this tragedy exclusively the separatists and "agents" of Russia.

Another straw-man argument. There is plenty of criticism of the both sides in the statement, and it is obvious that it is against the war as a whole.

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We do not feel the slightest sympathy for the regimes established by separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk, as in the past time we did not have any sympathy f.ex. for the nationalist separatist regime in Chechnya. But then and now, this don`t hinder us to condemn the war and to call for a cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of military troops, paramilitaries, mercenaries or “volunteer” from all sides from the conflict zone.

What do you consider the conflict zone? To me it seems like whole of Ukraine is a conflict zone. And perhaps Russia as well. Obviously you may call for withdrawal of any bourgeois armies from the planet, but that is pretty much the same thing as calling for a workers' revolution. A necessary call, but not any sort of "immediate solution" you are apparently asking for.

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For us, both camps in the confrontation are equally conservative and nationalist, and any significant difference between them is not visible: neither in social and economic area, nor in domestic or foreign policy.

There are huge differences, which however are not a reason to pick sides.

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Jun 23 2014 12:43

To S2W:

1) Revolution supposes not only the change of ruler but also progressive social and economic changes. There are not such things. So it is ridiculous or reactionary to call Maidan "revolution". Although it was a movement with participation of "masses" sometimes, these "masses" are not obviously progressive. There were "masses" also in the NSDAP or in Ruanda genocide. And the "masses" for EU, as this time

2) Maidan was not a NATO conspiracy, of course. But NATO clearly interfered to forbid Yanukovich to extrude protesters. Unlike the case of Erdogan repression in Turkey f.ex.

3) Immediate solution is the stop of hostilities and not the victory of one side

4) As to reactionary laws or activities of new Kiev government, there are very much, and not only for violent things but also for dissident opinion (http://english.cntv.cn/2014/04/08/ARTI1396964142829309.shtml; http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/politics/sbu-vozbudila-delo-protiv-polzovatelya-facebook-za-prizyvy-19062014184000 - about punishment of Internet comments; http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/turchynov-law-enforcers-studying-political-parties-involvement-in-supporting-separatists-in-ukraine-347442.html; http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1403182147; etc.) It is not better than Yanukovich laws

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Jun 23 2014 13:44
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Seems to me you haven't been in Greece for awhile. Since maybe 2009 or 2010 there have been plenty of Greek flags in major demonstrations.

This is not related to what I exactly said in any way. So this is manipulation by S2W.

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This is ridiculous nationalist stuff, as it confuses geographic entities with subjects. There is no "eastern provinces" being attacked, but separatists fighters supported by some 12% of the population. Of course plenty of civilians will be slaughtered the sametime, and we should oppose this (and the war in general), but it is possible to do that without ridiculous nationalist analysis.

In S2W's irrelevant opinion this excellent analysis is nationalist. Anyone able to read knows this is more than idiotic. Here the whole text again: http://aruthlesscritiqueagainsteverythingexisting1.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/notes-on-the-fascist-state-of-ukraine-and-many-others/

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Jun 27 2014 10:09
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This is not related to what I exactly said in any way. So this is manipulation by S2W.

You claimed Greek anarchists have managed to keep Greek flags out of the demonstrations in Greece. This has not been the case for years. Greek social protest is about as plagued by nationalism as in any other place.

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In S2W's irrelevant opinion this excellent analysis is nationalist. Anyone able to read knows this is more than idiotic.

Obviously you do not have any argument against me.

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Jun 27 2014 09:45
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It gets a bit complicated to dscuss in 2 threads in the same time. I'll answer in the thread about AST resoluton here: http://libcom.org/news/war-against-war-statement-leftists-anarchists-confrontation-ukraine-19062014

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Jun 27 2014 10:26

Support Crimean anarchist Aleksandr Kolchenko, detained on terror charges!

http://libcom.org/news/support-crimean-anarchist-aleksandr-kolchenko-detained-terror-charges-27062014

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Jun 27 2014 10:43

Statement of the Kharkiv Autonomous Workers Union members about creation of social and cultural center

http://libcom.org/news/statement-kharkiv-autonomous-workers-union-members-about-creation-social-cultural-center-27

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Jul 6 2014 00:44
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You claimed Greek anarchists have managed to keep Greek flags out of the demonstrations in Greece. This has not been the case for years. Greek social protest is about as plagued by nationalism as in any other place.

No, I did not and that is just your psychotic manipulation of what I exactly said and meant. Besides anarchists there have participated in general strikes and not in a (fundamentally) nationalist petite bourgeois "movement" for regime change like Euromaidan in Ukraine. The discussion is over.

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Jul 1 2014 16:31

http://libcom.org/library/ukraine-nothing-expect-europe-or-russia/

As we promised already a few weeks ago, here we finally publish the English translation of the OCL text, originally available in French on http://oclibertaire.free.fr/spip.php?article1506. Very interesting text especially because of its materialist and non-idealist method that analyzes the movement, its process and its dynamics, only after it tackles its weaknesses, its lacks, the illusions of its protagonists, their ideologies, nationalism, the influence of far right, etc.

The only reservation we would like to emphasize here concerns the fact that the text is on the one hand uncritical towards “revolutionary” unionism (although we understand that historically important sectors of the proletariat proclaimed this appellation) that is methodologically unable of being revolutionary just as parliamentarianism cannot.

And on the other hand it is uncritical towards “plenums” that developed as an answer from the dictatorship of democracy (no matter if it claims to be a parliamentary, “direct”, “workers” or another one) to the needs of our class at the time of the recent struggles in Bosnia-Herzegovina. These “plenums” have been so much criticized by many structures (local as well as international ones), which proclaim social revolution, “anarchism” or communism, to prevent anybody to rush again headlong into the trap of democratic myths. Good reading…

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Jul 2 2014 19:10

http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities

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Jul 5 2014 21:11
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No, I did not and that is just your psychotic manipulation of what I exactly said and meant.

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Any idiot with some national flag coming that close to an anarchist in Greece would immediately be sent to the next hospital without compromise.

But that is bullshit. In austerity protests national flags have been all around, also next to anarchists.

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Jul 5 2014 22:09
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In austerity protests national flags have been all around, also next to anarchists.

Even if this would be true it would be totally i r r e l e v a n t because Majdan was n o t an anti-austerity protest or general strike movement like in Greece with (mostly) working class composition but a neoliberal coup with an petite bourgeois opposition "progressive" as in Venezuela - and ironically intensifying the neoliberal project. Anarchists in Greece and probably almost anywhere else would under n o circumstances participate in reactionary "movements" like EU-Majdan where left-nationalists of AWU were parasiting among liberal democrats, neonazis etc.. As your previous comments clearly demonstrate you consciously try to manipulate the discussion by obfuscating the total difference between the concrete situations and movements in general. You are an idiotic fucking comedian and constantly repeating the same bullshit in robotic manner. Continue your monologue somewhere else or write another petion to the European parliament as the AWU arselickers did. Σκατά στα μουτρα σου!

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Even if this would be true it would be totally i r r e l e v a n t because Majdan was n o t an anti-austerity protest or general strike movement like in Greece with (mostly) working class composition but a neoliberal coup with an petite bourgeois opposition "progressive" as in Venezuela - and ironically intensifying the neoliberal project. Anarchists in Greece and probably almost anywhere else would under n o circumstances participate in reactionary "movements" like EU-Majdan where left-nationalists of AWU were parasiting among liberal democrats, neonazis etc.. As your previous comments clearly demonstrate you consciously try to manipulate the discussion by obfuscating the total difference between the concrete situations and movements in general. You are an idiotic fucking comedian and constantly repeating the same bullshit in robotic manner. Continue your monologue somewhere else or write another petion to the European parliament as the AWU arselickers did. Σκατά στα μουτρα σου!

This definitely one of the rudest apologies for writing bullshit claims I have ever read, but I accept it grin. Just do not write bullshit again, and I am fine with you.

Situation in Greece differs a lot from Ukraine, but Venezuela differs a lot from Ukraine as well. It is not me who tried to make these parallels, it was you.

But all things different, there is also a possibility that anti-austerity protests in Greece may turn to a certain nationalist direction which is already happening to some extent with all the "anti-troika" rhetorics, and eventually developments in Greece might be as unfortunate as they are in Ukraine.

If that happens, there will of course be many "subproles" shitting on those Greek anarchists who have attempted to make interventions to anti-austerity protests in libcom, and all over internet. I will not be one of them.

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Jul 6 2014 01:19
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Just do not write bullshit again, and I am fine with you.

I wipe my ass with your feelings.

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It is not me who tried to make these parallels, it was you.

I did not draw parallels but insisted on the d i f f e r e n c e s. This is totalitarian absurdity. S2W could learn from propaganda minister Goebbels.

I would be shitting on you instead S2W.

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Jul 5 2014 23:12
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I did not draw parallels but insisted on the d i f f e r e n c e s. This is totalitarian absurdity. S2W could learn from propaganda minister Goebbles.

You insisted on differences between anarchist strategies (which, as it turned out, were false, and you admitted it), by driving on parallels between countries and their situations.

If there is no parallel between situations, there may not be differences between strategies.

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Jul 5 2014 23:13

Repressions against Crimean activists: political context

http://libcom.org/news/repressions-against-crimean-activists-political-context-06072014

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Jul 5 2014 23:56

A musical contribution to the debate on Ukraine (personal dedication goes to AWU comrades). grin

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Jul 6 2014 19:22

Nationalist ideology is rampant throughout the world and remains a part of most radical and leftist politics even when many of those involved honestly believe themselves to have rejected it ,so it is hardly suprising that in the current testing conditions of Ukraine this is also still the case - and that vestiges of such as appear to muddle the politics of some anarchists and anarchist groups both there and in other parts of Eastern Europe must be criticised when they appear here. I think there has been some valid criticism on those lines from internationalist posters here which is no less valid because it is made from comrades outside of the Ukraine, but 'subprole' seems to be determined on this and another thread to reduced some sensible critique ( even including some of his own!) to a simple bun fight with others such as STW who's confused ideas (including possibly some other non-committed on-line viewers) , are not benefiting from such an approach. Real 'punch-ups' are sometimes a way of working out anger and frustration at apparent dumb-ass ideas but they don't work in on-line discussions such as this.

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Repressions against Crimean activists: political context

http://libcom.org/news/repressions-against-crimean-activists-political-context-06072014

The passages related to the explanation of the "political context" as well as the introducing remarks on the situation in Crimea are democratic garbage that could have also been published by Yulia Tymoshenko or the US embassy in Kiev and contain - as we could expect of course from an AWU parrot like >S2W/Antti Rautiainen< - more subtle pro-Ukranian nationalist state propaganda.

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Jul 8 2014 16:31

You, subprole, are a first class example of a complete fucking idiot.

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You, subprole, are a first class example of a complete fucking idiot.

I won't waste time discussing with any infantile shrunken heads stuttering pathetic rubbish like you, solidarity.

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Jul 8 2014 20:34

Great, then perhaps this thread can get back on it's track smile

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Jul 9 2014 11:43

It would be amazing if there was a thread on libcom to discuss the situation in Ukraine. I feel like it would really help me make sense of the increasingly chaotic situation there. It's a shame that instead I get pages and pages of this namecalling, cockwaving bullshit about some things some Ukrainian anarchists wrote ok the internet. Ah well.

~J.

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Jul 10 2014 12:29

The very big difference between "Indignados" and "Occupy", from one side, and Euronaidan, from the other, was the fully absence of any social demands or slogans in the second case. It was a "pro-Europa" movement orhanized by oppositional bourgeois parties or young groups. And the "anarchist" barricade here was msde jointly with new rightists "anarcho"-nazis from "Autonomous Resistance"

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Jul 10 2014 12:34

Something from the "political experience" of AWU founder and leader Zadiraka. This article was published in a prominent anarchist bulletin "An-Press" of St/Petersbourg in 1995:

"О. SOFYANIK (Fraction of Revolutionary Anarchists of Democratic Union, Sevastopol) wrote: February 3rd (1995) a police detachment visited me in my home; it detained me and led me at first to the police station (ROVD) Nakhimovskoye of Sevastopol and later to Urban administration of Inner Affairs (GOVD), directly to it boss, Lieutenant General Beloborodov. I was interrogated about my contacts with other anarchist organizations and anarchist individuals of Crimea, Ukraine and Russia. They had an especial interest in concrete means of our activity, concretely: do you recognize an armed terror? As it turned out, the police taped a letter of Kiev anarchist Zadiraka addressed to me. He sent to me in this letter a leaflet issued not long ago by his group. It called to immediate revolutionary actions, armed struggle etc., and it was signed by “Kiev organization of Red Army Fraction (RAF)” and by “Sea Terror Section of Irish Republican Army (IRA)”. They are joking in Kiev, and I was brought in the GOVD for it! (Besides, “the order keepers” asked also, if I receive a very dangerous and subversive review “The Black Star” and if I know somebody of it receiver in Sevastopol). Of course, I rejected all things saying “I didn`t know, I didn`t see, I wasn`t here etc” and that I`m pacifist. But all in all, the Kiev friends need to think before to use and moreover to appropriate such loud names (moreover, in last time, there are in Crimea a lot of gangster clashes with several powerful bomb explosions)"

(“AN-Press”, 1995, No.53, January – February)

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Repressions against Crimean activists: political context

http://libcom.org/news/repressions-against-crimean-activists-political-context-06072014

The passages related to the explanation of the "political context" as well as the introducing remarks on the situation in Crimea are democratic garbage that could have also been published by Yulia Tymoshenko or the US embassy in Kiev and contain - as we could expect of course from an AWU parrot like >S2W/Antti Rautiainen< - more subtle pro-Ukranian nationalist state propaganda.

Hey, you haven't posted any Stalinist songs for a while. Keep fighting imperialism on libcom forum and give us some more!

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Hey, you haven't posted any Stalinist songs for a while. Keep fighting imperialism on libcom forum and give us some more!

...says S2W/Antti Rautianen, the left liberal upstart and famous "social network" activist who is "tweeting" for democracy in Russia 24 hours per day.

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Jul 12 2014 16:42

http://aruthlesscritiqueagainsteverythingexisting1.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/songs-of-the-black-sea/

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What can be said about what is happening in Ukraine? We can stretch the events or squeeze them into our preexisting ideological context? Or the contradictory form of riots in Ukraine requires us to look back to the events to redefine our analyzes, and anyways to see why these people are getting killed. The conflict in Ukraine becomes more polarized. The scene of the conflict has moved to the east of the country, mainly in the areas of Kharkiv, Donetsk and Dnipropetrofsk.The conflict seems to be divided on the basis of national identity, ethnic and linguistic differences, etc. And indeed the separation has taken such features but obviously these are not the cause. The causes lie in the same contradictions of Ukrainian society as a totality, ie the state, the bourgeois society, the composition of capital in that society etc. The fact that the conflict has moved to the east is not accidental.

Initially, as many have emphasized the Ukrainian case must be understood as to the particular form that has gotten in the specific historical context of state-oligarchic state. In Ukraine, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the local officials of the party had the opportunity to accumulate wealth vastly, and to gain control of key sectors of the Ukrainian economy and society. Since then the political scene in Ukraine became a huge stage of competition between the different “factions” of oligarchs, who were developing between them a complex web of competition and cooperation, while many politicians, such as Yanukovych became oligarchs after being involved in politics. This easily answers the question “why” things are the way they are in politics of Ukraine, etc etc. But this leads us to another question/answer which is obvious but crucial as well. The Ukrainian state could not function as a general capitalist, and especially on the most important function and task that needs to be done: to carry out “smoothly” the centralization / restructuring of capitalis social relations. The economy of the country was divided into entrepreneurs were in furious competition with each other, with business cycles which belong to different regions of the world economy, and with different capital composition. On them can be seen the first marks towards the crisis of the Ukrainian state. But a state exists only according and in relation to its society. And here arises a question that no one wants to answer: Why proletarians and other people are out on the street? If all this is just the conflict between mainstream business circles of Ukraine, which constitute about 85% of GDP, why the conflict does not take the form as previously was, ie competition for influence in the government? So there must be something more than just businessmen men fighting to each other.

The Ukrainian capitalist society exhibited some special characteristics with the passage of time. The “oligarchic” state and its economy were closed. International investments were few and European capital struggled to get into a market that the state was “not neutral”. Mainly for Yanukovich regime (from 2010 onwards) the centralization of capital in Ukraine got very aggressive forms, with a policy that clearly favored the strongest oligarchs, and literally left no space to operate and compete with them, this goes for both EU firms and smaller Ukrainian firms. It was the opportunity he found the strongest part of the Ukrainian capital to strengthen its position in the midst of crisis (such as’ it happens in every country). Even the few European companies operating in the Ukrainian territory, seems to face the hostility of the state. Therefore the first who would like to react to this situation was the potential of small entrepreneurs, self employed, students, etc. This shows us why initially the Maidan had such a strong feature of inter-class character, claims against corruption, and the intense pro-EU character. The EU – as we have said before- was conceived in Maidan as “rationalization” of the capitalist competition and the state, to leave room for the little capital to operate. Follows that along with them many unemployed in the western regions [1], low-income workers and students were in the protests with an extreme democratic, pro european character. Essentially calling to reset, or to build a “healthy capitalism”, which would allow them to function as capitalist subjects and find the fulfillment of their social relations as a working class(they asked of “work” but in a way of “investment” of a healthy-all for all- capitalism),together with them, there were the small capitalists who were asking for “space” to invest. So these to subjects came together as capitalist subjects but against the general way capitalism was developing in Ukraine-this was their central controversy that gave them such a power but also was limiting them from developing to a proletarian movement. Therein lies the deep democratic / liberal character of Maidan who does not ask anything different from the other squares of the world. It was a citizens’ movement, found in the square as an abstract community (citizens), who were calling the state to restore the democratic promise of “control on our own life”, equal opportunities for all etc etc, ie restore the “ideal” form of bourgeois roles. Therefore the core of Maidan was the capitalist crisis as experienced by bourgeois subjects in the Ukrainian-version of capitalism, so that was a fetishized version anticapitalism, a claim of bourgeois subjects against the dynamics of the Ukrainian capitalism. But these contradictions took the historical shapes that gave them the Ukrainian context. And here is the important thing.

As we have said, the nationalistic character of the squares movement, or their democratic character translates differently the same crisis, the same reaction to the dynamics of modern capital. But the particular circumstances of Ukraine, the internal conflict in the country of different regions of accumulation, and therefore the complete inability of the Ukrainian state to act as general capitalist played a key role. The movement of the Maidan was a movement of the capitalist crisis but simultaneously tried to solve the contradiction of the Ukrainian state, which had been exacerbated by the capitalist crisis. The state was unable to continue to perform its role as a key mediator of the centralization of capital accumulation. Moreover, the industrial production in Ukraine is concentrated mainly in three areas in the east, Donetsk, the Dnipropetrofsk, and Lugansk regions.The higher wages appear to be there, while overall the eastern Ukraine appears “richer” than the western, with factories mainly on metallurgy, aerospace technologies, etc. and relatively less unemployment. These industrial units are involved primarily in the Russian economy, and their owners are the main supporters of Yanukovich and other pro-Russian politicians. Based on these data, it seems reasonable about why the Maidan translated the capital contradiction on national(istic) terms rather than on terms of (direct) democracy: The state itself had such “colourizing” as there were fierce competition from different regions of capital (or potentially capital). Therefore we can say that the Maidan was the expression of a broader crisis that has existed for years in Ukraine, and this was the crisis of the Ukrainian state as a general capitalist, which was accelerated by the international capitalist crisis , and brought the Ukrainian state to a point of no return about is obligations that were impossible to be carried out because of the contradictory nature of state-society relations. Based on the above, it is no coincidence that the rebellion started from the West to the East, the fact that the eastern provinces strongly resist new government of Kiev, and that the rebellion took the form of Maidan national emancipation, and on this basis proletarians together with trying to solve the contradictions of the Ukrainian state. [2]. In summary, therefore the Maidan and the entire rebellion was a rebellion against the crisis, it was fear of bourgeois subjects which come in conflict with the broader dynamic of capitalism, with the particular form it took the current moment in Ukraine, that was the contradiction between the state as general capitalist and the centralization of capital in two different regions within the same state. This was experienced by a large proportion of Ukrainians as a crisis of the bourgeois subject of citizenship, ie crisis which appears in more and more countries between the open-democratic state and the necessary devaluation of labour by the same state. This shows us that the Maidan is no different in content from the other squares in the world, but it is different in form. This content was expressed differently because it was formed under different conditions, and other effects of class struggle.

The “movement” of the Anti-Maidan and the Maidan of Kharkov

The pro-Russian movement in the east of the country has come to be called anti-Maidan. I will not talk here about the form that this “movement” “has gotten in the provinces of Dnipropetrofsk, Donetsk or before in Crimea, but for the most social and political version of Kharkiv. In Kharkov, until recently there was the last running Maidanin country, which unlike Kiev never actively was associated with the right sector or Svoboda. After the fall of Yanukovych continued mainly in the form of popular democratic assemblies, and when the war fever started to rise in the country, it took an antiwar character. This does not mean that it has lost its liberal nature, or that the main content is very different from the Maidan in Kiev, but that the form and the activity of the region makes it more easily understood through the particular-most familiar to us – forms it took. The Maidan of Kharkov not openly support the new government, but has anti-war-and-pro-European character. Against this there is the popular pro-Russian movement of Anti-Maidan. Especially after the events of April 13, 2014 [3] it became evident that the Ukrainian state can not manage the situation while the protesters of antiMaintan showed themselves willing to defend the claim of federalization of Ukraine, by any means. The question thus arises as themselves the proletarians put it: in which part of the capitalist periphery they will be in?. And this is key topic, because such as a choice for them is crucial. If Ukraine joins the Western region, the eastern regions of Ukraine will suffer irreparable damage both in relation to their exports to Russia, which is the main customer of the factories of the East, as well as to the ownership status of several companies as formed so far in Ukraine. It will also change the capital composition. This will lead these businesses to by closed by antagonism and thus many unemployed. On the other hand, the connection with the EU on this part of Ukraine which was experiencing the devaluation of their labour power so far, the strong competition, and their inability of effective capitalist competition and the general inability to enter the society with satisfying conditions, while the “Ukrainian capitalism” posits different options, despite the hopes they had for an upgrade of their social status in the context of their “dream” about a “better capitalism”, their choice will mean repeating a case such as Bulgaria, ie the total dissolution of the economy as it was before, to facilitate foreign investment, integration of proletarians to capital relation as an extreme undervalued workforce, and perhaps a few opportunities for some, young, ambitious, competitors of the old “Soviet” capital. This does not mean that the “Eastern option” is better than the European. The issue as said above should be seen within the dialectic of crisis as a failure of the Ukrainian state to manage the centralization of capital between two regions of capital accumulation. Both sides want to do the same, to integrate Ukraine into a single region. The instruments used for this can not be predicted but the important feature is that this movement is produced by the bottom: proletarians of both sides defend their capital against the scrapping down by the overall dynamics of capitalism, for continuing to reproduce themselves as proletarians, cause they know that a proletarian without a capital is nothing. This is the common core shared by both movements, but what are the limitations of these practices remains to be seen. [4]

Apparently the Maidan as limit had the very essence of it, the abstract relations of social subljects. On the other hand, the Maidan Kharkov is not simply different from that of Kiev, but is the evolution of Maidan, without being the overcome its content, however, it has not found as limit the politicization of the movement, ie the raising of a new government or the critisim of the state and government from a democratic perspective, but found it’s limit at the anti-war project and in the most social demands. Nevertheless this difference, as may important as it is, should not be exaggerated: Social practices grasp their meaning socially. That means, that the meaning of a social practise is what these practises are doing socially, what is the process they spark in a social level, and what is their main relation according to the central social relation which is capital relation.That means that probably these people of Kharkov Maidan/and their opponents of antiMaidan, both have the best intentions and they both want the best for their lives, and probably they both hate their poverty but the social practices that they are involved to as they exist with the contradictions of the Ukrainian capitalist society as it is, are a part of a wider capitalistic dynamic that is not under their own control, that means that their practices are not in any way against the status quo, but merely a change of the capital form. This doesent mean that this practises, bouth of Maidan or antiMaidan have no perspective t evolve, but as they are now, they are fetishized social conflicts that stay within their fetish forms.

Footnotes

[1] During the crisis, the centralization of capital gets specific characteristics in each social formation(country), depending on the course of the class there .In this process the most strong capitals compete more and more and they assimilate the smaller, and eventually find their place into the global regionalization of capitals. During the government of Yanukovych, this centralization of capital got very aggressive characteristics, through laws, deliberate absence of controls ansd inspections in various business and fierce control and inspections on other buissnesses, etc. this left no space to emergence of other capitals. Beyond this, the abstract relations, and the dynamics of capital that spawned the Maidan, show us why it was politicized, but also why such a large percentage of the people outside Kiev went to demonstrations, and why they were created extensive networks of “supply” with tires, food, etc., from the west of the country to the square. Also to mention that unemployment in western Ukraine is markedly greater than the east. Unlike the existence of fascist Square had two directions: On the one hand there was the tolerance of them under the “national idea” and national translation of reaction to capitalist crisis, and the tolerance of the world to them in the context of militarization-they were seen as “muscle”.On the other hand, the completely different social relations that got the far right to the streets, especially the right sector, could unite the far right on the square with the rest of the people, only in the context of abstract social relations. The right-wing went to the streets because of their chronic exclusion from the security forces, as the oligarchic characteristic permeated the whole state organization, and reached to it’s core, the police. The Yanukovich recruited policemen almost exclusively from the eastern provinces, and had for long ruled-out the Ukrainian far right, and various paramilitary organizations that were on the periphery of the army and police. These features provided fromed the Maidan, and brought the fascists to be comfortable and well tolerated in the square,but they found as a limit the “inner wall” that has every square movement, the abstract relations of coexistence of all subjects within the squares, the weakness to reach the reconstruction of specific social relations, ie the capital/working relations.

[2] It is important to see what is provided and what impact would have the signing of the pact with EU. The inability to sell the Ukrainian agricultural and industrial products in Ukraine, but also in Russia, as the result of European higher agricoltural production subsidies but also because of the most modernized industrial capital of Europe which is more competitive if border taxes were to be abolished with the EU signing. One of the key problems of Ukrainian industry in the east remains the inability of radical renewal of industrial constant capital, which remains generally of old technology. The pact with the EU also provided the restructuring of the legal code of Ukraine as to the ownership status of the business. This will radically upset the data of 20 years of ownership status, as grand capital of the East can be under the review process of the ownership status etc. Precisely because of his inability to radically modernize the Ukrainian capital of the east part of the ukrainian capital, was used to use as a vector centralizing force the state(by friendly goverments), and not the direct market competition. In this context and as a part of the Ukrainian economy acquires closer relations with the West, it is no coincidence that the contradiction of the Ukrainian state was tried to be solved back to the past in a similar way, with the creation of a “South-Ukrainian Autonomous Republic” proposal by oligarchs in 2005, a proposal which had faltered. This then had the meaning of the relative autonomy of these areas from the policy of Kiev and the relative resolution of the contradiction of the Ukrainian state. Similar situation with today ie, proposing a form of federalism of eastern Ukraine

[3] On April 13, 2014 while taking place a protestof Maidan in Kharkov against the military operations against Russia, it seems to be called protest at the same point of right-wing hooligans, which caused widespread clashes between pro-Russian demonstrators of AntiMaintan, and Maidan. On April 13, while the orientation of events throughout Ukraine had changed from support or not in the new government, to the persistence or not of eastern Ukraine in the country, and the possibility of military intervention in Russia in the east, the Ultras of city ​​called to protest (along with the local Maidan, which was very similar theme, albeit more antiwar features) for the “unity of Ukraine” (and the events of Odessa, the Ukrainian protest had similar content). That day showed the reactive characteristics antiMaintan, and on the other hand, showed the complete failure which has reached the Maidan policy and the tactic of local anarchists in it. Even if they had collided with the fascists on 19 February, and the local Maidan had distanced himself from them at that time-in April 13- the turn of events in the whole Ukraine, and the marches for or against federalisation in the city of Kharkov , broughtthe Maidan and the Ultras ad hoc on the same side of the conflict and no matter what everyone claimed about their intensions and specific political views, although if they were against the war, or in favor or against a seperatist movement or simply a federalization, the conflict as was produced historically at this moment was whether to stay or not in Ukraine, whether to join in one or the other region of accumulation, and this conflict was taking the final characteristics of national conflict. For information about that here

[4] In this sense the movement of the Maidan and AntiMaintan should be seen as aspects of the same process as a reaction of urban subjects in the general dynamics of capital at this moment. Both sides claim the existence of capitals that the regionalization as centralization of capital threatens. The contradiction of the Ukrainian state as to the role of the controversial way in which functioned all these years the capitalist economy in Ukraine, and the relation of state-society had taken the form of oligarchic state, makes the reaction of urban subjects acquire so strongly features and characteristics of “civil strife” and to not take the form they took in other countries. In other countries we had not the separation of proletarians at full undervalued areas and relatively revalued, within a complex matrix of social relations-the oligarchic state and the two regions of capitalist centralization/accumulation-in conditions that absolutely exclude each others function. Neither in Arab countries mainly or in European countries have such a phenomenon.

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Jul 16 2014 09:06
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Hey, you haven't posted any Stalinist songs for a while. Keep fighting imperialism on libcom forum and give us some more!

...says S2W/Antti Rautianen, the left liberal upstart and famous "social network" activist who is "tweeting" for democracy in Russia 24 hours per day.

I am very sorry for using social networks. It is much more revolutionary to post to libcom 24 hours per day to unmask cryptoanarchists and to commemorate past glory of the red army.