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Aug 6 2011 20:16
UK riots: updates and discussion

Forum thread for discussion and updates of the riots which have swept the UK, and which began in Tottenham, here:

Seeing photos on twitter of burning police cars and apparently 200 riot police sent out to deal with crowds.

Police shot and killed a guy called Mark Duggan earlier this week, more info here

Photos like and

popping up on twitter...

admin: thread name changed from "Riot in Tottenham, London, in response to police killings?" as the riots spread

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Aug 6 2011 20:59

Posters on Twitter are saying that people are gathering at the police station. Still just rumours at this point, mind...

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Aug 6 2011 21:02
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in response to police killings?

Apparently, yes - if this very brief report is anything to go by:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/tottenham-rioters-burn-police-cars-photos-43291/album/tottenham_rioters_set_fire_to_police_cars/1315#20355

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Aug 6 2011 21:05

I can't get Capital FM, but maybe you can:
http://www.capitalfm.com/on-air/news-travel/uk-world-news/police-cars-attacked-after-tottenham-shooting/

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Aug 6 2011 21:20

Looting as well, apparently.

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Aug 6 2011 21:25

Twitter rumour mill going a bit mental, people saying shots have been fired, cops have deserted after having too many rocks thrown at them etc etc. 5live had a bit of coverage.

Haringey solidarity group's twitter @_HSG_ says people are building barricades in the street

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Aug 6 2011 21:26

BBC has an interview with an eyewitness, who says the cops were scared and ran away from rioters chasing them.

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Aug 6 2011 21:37

5 Live saying it's quiet at the moment, with a stand off between protesters and cops, twitter saying mounted units been seen on their way.

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Aug 6 2011 21:47

I have heard 200 riot police from reliable source, seen the same pics as the rest of you, not sure about other numbers. Seen a picture that looks as if shop corner at bruce grove station is on fire.

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Aug 6 2011 21:57

Shops and a bus on fire.

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Aug 6 2011 22:01

In keeping with their fine-tuned grasp of politics and current affairs an EDL linked facebook page claimed it's muslims rioting.

http://hashalbum.com/photo/tottenham/ishbroken/10974236
(link is to a screenshot).

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Aug 6 2011 22:01

EDL blame "the Muslims"...

http://twitpic.com /622g27

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Aug 6 2011 22:08

fuckin EDL...

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Aug 6 2011 22:09

Paul Lewis has been tweeting from the scene but he says he's getting out of there. In his words: 'It's getting a bit hairy now'.

Also they're saying that the fire brigade isn't being sent in 'for fear of being attacked'.

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Aug 6 2011 22:23

Fire brigade are putting out the fire in the shop now, the bus and at least a couple cars are still on fire. I'm wwatching on sky news, I moved out today.

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Aug 6 2011 22:57

From twitter:

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Reliable source: one of the buildings on fire is Tottenham Police Station

But who knows?

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Aug 6 2011 23:23

Saw about 5 police vans with what (squinting) looked like riot police thru the windows.. and a few police cars, blazing from stoke newington police station up stamford hill into (presumably) tottenham high road. This was about 45 minutes ago.

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Aug 6 2011 23:48
mons wrote:
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Reliable source: one of the buildings on fire is Tottenham Police Station

But who knows?

Doubtful, no pictures of it and all of the fires are hundreds of yards away with a thick lot of police in the way.

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Aug 7 2011 03:41

And then he apologized for his Islamaphobia. smile

It took a while...

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Aug 7 2011 03:42

http://postimage.org/image/2jp1hervo/

And then he apologized for his Islamaphobia. smile

It took a while...

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Aug 7 2011 09:23

Regarding the original incident on Thursday when the police killed Mark Duggan, the Evening Standard had an eyewitness who said Duggan was shot while lying on the floor:

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"I came around the corner and saw about six unmarked police cars cornering a people carrier near a bus stop.
"I heard the police shout something like 'Don't move' and I saw them drag the driver out of the car. I don't know if they dragged the other guy out in the passenger seat. He was the one who got shot - the passenger.
"About three or four police officers had both men pinned on the ground at gunpoint. They were really big guns and then I heard four loud shots. The police shot him on the floor."

http://www.thisislondon.co​.uk/standard/article-23975​846-man-shot-dead-by-polic​e-in-tottenham.do

There's also a Channel 4 interview with a friend of Duggan, talking about systematic police harrassment of Duggan and people from the same estate:
http://www.channel4.com/news/mp-calls-for-calm-after-north-london-street-shooting

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Aug 7 2011 18:01

The police statements were pretty odd, they normally don't hesitate to slur people so the fact that they didn't immediately blame him for shooting a police officer (which turned out not to have happened) didn't sit right. Now they're talking about a bullet lodged in a radio and again not mentioning whose bullet and how it got there. The police are hiding something but it isn't clear what yet.

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Aug 7 2011 19:48
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7.35pm: Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:

The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live#block-44

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Aug 7 2011 20:28

Riots in Enfield now?

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Aug 7 2011 21:03
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Riots in Enfield now?

aye.

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Aug 7 2011 21:08

Just saw a young guy on bbc news 24 say he saw anarchists coming to riot in tottenham.

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Aug 7 2011 21:20
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Just saw a young guy on bbc news 24 say he saw anarchists coming to riot in tottenham.

Does 'Anarchist' in this case translate to 'masked up individuals'?

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Aug 7 2011 21:20
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Tottenham riots: Mob violence hits Enfield - police charge looters
Police officers baton-charged looters amid violent scenes in Enfield Town, as social disorder spreads after troubles in Tottenham.
A crowd of up to 200 people clashed with police outside Enfield Town train station this evening, say reports. A police van was attacked and damaged.
Groups of looters broke into entertainment store HMV in Enfield Town’s main shopping street to steal stock, say reports.
Earlier, rioters in Enfield moved from the edge of the borough in Southbury Road back into Enfield town, from where police had earlier driven them back.
Clashes between riot police and looters will alarm residents of Enfield Town, which is a peaceful suburb in an affluent part of the north London borough.

http://www.london24.com/news/crime/tottenham_riots_mob_violence_hits_enfield_police_charge_looters_1_987022

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Aug 7 2011 21:48
no1 wrote:
Regarding the original incident on Thursday when the police killed Mark Duggan, the Evening Standard had an eyewitness who said Duggan was shot while lying on the floor:
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"I came around the corner and saw about six unmarked police cars cornering a people carrier near a bus stop.
"I heard the police shout something like 'Don't move' and I saw them drag the driver out of the car. I don't know if they dragged the other guy out in the passenger seat. He was the one who got shot - the passenger.
"About three or four police officers had both men pinned on the ground at gunpoint. They were really big guns and then I heard four loud shots. The police shot him on the floor."

http://www.thisislondon.co​.uk/standard/article-23975​846-man-shot-dead-by-polic​e-in-tottenham.do

There's also a Channel 4 interview with a friend of Duggan, talking about systematic police harrassment of Duggan and people from the same estate:
http://www.channel4.com/news/mp-calls-for-calm-after-north-london-street-shooting

This link seems shut down:

http://www.thisislondon.co​.uk/standard/article-23975​846-man-shot-dead-by-polic​e-in-tottenham.do

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Aug 7 2011 22:03

Twitter's reporting that petrol bombs are being thrown at cars on the A10 while rioters are moving onto Ponders End.

Also seen the armoured personal carriers are out.

How far will this spread? Will it reach other cities?

EDIT: moving onto Bow!

Good link: http://thewestlondoner.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/breaking-new-riots-in-enfield/

EDIT 2: 17 year old stabbed in Enfield

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Aug 7 2011 22:01

Seems like two groups of, for lack of a better term, fuckheads are conflicting now. Apparently, anyway.