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Apr 28 2015 17:37

Don't worry about Reddit, Imgur, etc. They are not real people with real upvotes. Since their systems are anonymous it's nothing but shady elements intentionally provoking reaction. These sites are burnouts for militants in the political sphere. Great points by Pennoid about their "middle class" perspective.

This sums up their views:

Here's a flic I noticed on Imgur:

Dudes lips are chapped as fuck, probably from fighting the cops all day...and we've had a cold snap. He's got some sweet tea and diapers. I mean c'mon what kind of bourgeois asshole criminalizes a person like this? In the words of Bruce Bruce: "You don't want no sweet tea??"

It's the petite bourgeois interveners who are making the racialist comments, too. Youll notice theres plenty of working class black folk on the web right now talking about how middle and upper class black folks money is being used to pay for the police violence against, who??, poor people.

The middle class pundits also have their dead end historical perspectives reflected in their perspectives of these events in Baltimore. Thats why to them the heroes here are those defending the constant capital and state institutions, not the "rioters".

They even get the narrative wrong because of this. "Just thugs" is the prevailing mantra of dumbassness.

What really happened is the anarchistic forces of state capitalism unleashed a torrent of children and workers from urban Baltimore at around 2 pm yesterday for chaotic purposes unknown to me. Maybe as a part of a bigger attempt to squash protests? There was no transportation for the majority of these people. The buses, trains, etc. were shut down, multiple sources have confirmed this. This reminds me a lot of the "Brooklyn Bridge" incident of occupy. Make a mental note of these tactics.

The cops had reasons to "ride out". Check this out. It's the original flyer from Instagram & FB:

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Apr 28 2015 16:54

Can I suggest that people are careful with which images they share on social media. The police will be trying to identify people from pictures shared. Try not to dump anyone in it by showing easily identified faces. I know these pictures are already out there but personally speaking, I don't really want to contribute to someone's prosecution.

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Apr 28 2015 16:55

Yeah, Imgur and the like were just examples of perspectives I've seen others express in real life, so I figured I'd point to them.

It is bizarre that the cops were stopping buses and forcing the kids off. Seems like they were antagonizing students etc. Perhaps just a dumb tactical mistake by cops?

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Apr 28 2015 17:00
Fleur wrote:
Can I suggest that people are careful with which images they share on social media. The police will be trying to identify people from pictures shared. Try not to dump anyone in it by showing easily identified faces. I know these pictures are already out there but personally speaking, I don't really want to contribute to someone's prosecution.

yeah, can we be more mindful of this?

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Apr 28 2015 17:14

Settle down guys those pics all had over a million views and are all over twitter, reddit, etc. In fact the last two were all taken from a set of news articles I just read.

Maybe his mom ripped his mask off?? (No disrespect to either fellows)

I agree though and will abstain from posting faces here out.

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Apr 28 2015 17:12

Here's a face I don't mind sharing. Some racist fuck who loves 'murica:


"This photo is in response to all those un-American black punks in Baltimore."

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Apr 28 2015 17:17

On pix: the stuff on major media is too late, but the stuff on social media/small leftist or liberal websites Id be wary of posting as it very well could amplify peoples faces

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Apr 28 2015 17:18

Have the police had any success in the past in arresting people based on images found on social media? What do they arrest for? Theft, inciting riot? If I sound dickish, I don't mean to be, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe that discussion could be split into another thread, I dunno.

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Apr 28 2015 17:23

I can't imagine the photographer gave him a fair layout of what was going to happen with the photo. If the was charged he could probably sue the Baltimore newspapers circulating the images.

Pennoid, and also gram negative, do you think that the Baltimore police may have intended to proactively engage the protesters before they assembled with the intention of dispersal, and then lost the ensuing battle, retreated and the burning and looting followed?

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Apr 28 2015 17:21

There were some interesting comments by @KeremBrulee on twitter, about observers rushing to fit events into a (whitened) narrative:

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Apr 28 2015 17:23
Pennoid wrote:
Have the police had any success in the past in arresting people based on images found on social media? What do they arrest for? Theft, inciting riot? If I sound dickish, I don't mean to be, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe that discussion could be split into another thread, I dunno.

This happened in at least one case in occupy with a 17 year old kid hitting a policewoman in the head with a snare drum. The kid was identified and arrested because video of him doing it was put on youtube. poor guy

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Apr 28 2015 17:23

Jamal, I'm observing purely through media, and am quite far, so I'm just making guesses. It seems like gram might be able to speak more accurately to that.

It does seem a reasonable chain of events though.

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Apr 28 2015 17:33

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Have the police had any success in the past in arresting people based on images found on social media? What do they arrest for? Theft, inciting riot? If I sound dickish, I don't mean to be, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe that discussion could be split into another thread, I dunno.

I don't know about in the US but I believe this was the case in the London 2011 riots and also here in Canada in the Vancouver (Hockey) riots, when people were identified from facebook postings. I appreciate that these images have already been widely shared but we don't need to make the cops' jobs any easier for them by pushing these pictures any further up the google rankings.

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Apr 28 2015 17:46
Pennoid wrote:
Have the police had any success in the past in arresting people based on images found on social media? What do they arrest for? Theft, inciting riot? If I sound dickish, I don't mean to be, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe that discussion could be split into another thread, I dunno.

It has happened, it obviously depends on the image. A single image of a man holding some diapers and tea doesn't prove he has stolen them, but people put on and take off masks and police search for people in uncovered moments, happened in London riots.

There was also debate about allowing journalists on demos as they handed over all their images after london riots to help police identify people, specifically people who had been filmed breaking the law wearing masks but had gone unmasked earlier on. I'm not against journalists, but they should not be collaborating with the cops.

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I can't imagine the photographer gave him a fair layout of what was going to happen with the photo. If the was charged he could probably sue the Baltimore newspapers circulating the images

Photographer doesn't have to do anything, it's in a public place so it's allowed. (unless you're a cop, legislation pending to ban filming cops)
Feasibly he could sue the paper if they called him a looter and couldn't prove that he was. Which is why the labels often avoid showing too much.

Also IF you sue you don't get much. If he can find someone to take the case, which is expensive, if he wins then he might get a large punitive sum that will get appealed down based on the fact that as a non-famous, non-rich black person publicly calling him a criminal isn't considered to have caused expensive damage to his reputation.

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Apr 28 2015 17:53

The photographer is protected by the First Amendment and suing a newspaper is pretty much unaffordable for most people.

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Apr 28 2015 18:06

Cause media companies stand up for their employees when they face litigation, right?

I realize we're way past 1984 but I thought you still need consent to sell peoples faces?

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Apr 28 2015 18:22
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i didn't grow up in baltimore, but i should put it in perspective for y'all - the impoverished neighborhoods in baltimore are the worst that i have seen in the us; there are often more abandoned row houses on a street than occupied houses.
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there are no jobs, and any entry level job will get hundreds of applicants, all for the honor of making $8-$9 an hour.

Thanks for your excellent and insightful reportback.

Was just listening to a Democracy Now interview with Jesse Jackson on the radio. He reported these factoids:

Jackson wrote:
...in that same area, unemployment is 30 percent. There are 18,000 vacant homes or abandoned lots, because government—because banks ran subprime lending and predatory lending on people.

Which all seems pretty accurate, no?

And as you point out, Baltimore seems like one of the most bottomed-out deindustrialized cities in the U.S. with wide tracts of foreclosed homes.

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Apr 29 2015 03:05

John Angelos, Baltimore Orioles chief operating officer and son of owner Peter Angelos, used Twitter to defend the Baltimore protests after they were attacked on local sports radio:

John Angelos wrote:
my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

O.K., the anti-Chinese xenophobia is fucked up and the geopolitical analysis is severely flawed, but the sentiment shows an honest capitalist.

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Apr 29 2015 03:37

From the other day

Video of schoolkids and police exchanging rocks/bricks
https://www.facebook.com/wjlatv/videos/10153285419203734/

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Apr 29 2015 05:22

Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts comes to his position with baggage and lots of skeletons in his closet:

-he received his initial training from infamously militarized and brutal LAPD

-after 27 years with Long Beach PD, the last 7 as chief, he was forced out by blackmail attempts to reveal the coverup of at least 4 domestic violence charges where Batts battered women -- including his Congress Rep ex-wife

-he took the job as chief of police in Oakland under the completely fabricated story that he wanted to heal the city after an ex-con, Lovelle Mixon, killed 4 pigs in a single day (March 21, 2009). The real reason Batts took the Oakland job was because he was turned down for chief of police in San Jose because his history of domestic abuse caught up with him

-he quit as top pig in Oakland the day Occupy began; here's a revealing interview that shows what a bullshiter he is, from "Portraits of the Occupation: Anthony Batts"

-he has been part of the suppression of the Rodney King Rebellion in 1992, Oscar Grant Riots in Oakland in 2009-2010, and now Baltimore. Perhaps he's been groomed for this position

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Apr 29 2015 06:36

http://gawker.com/baltimore-is-a-shithole-undisturbed-peace-at-the-mar-1...

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Apr 29 2015 08:47

Yesterday the coppers shut down a public transit station (Mondawmin station) in Baltimore. Baltimore City doesn't provide transportation for the school kids, so the kids have to use the buses and what not to get to and from school. The coppers decided to shut it down and so far they've claimed different BS reasons for shutting it down. In turn, this lead to school children/kids having no way to get home and if they tried, they'd most likely violate the curfew that was put in place, and get beat. Anyways, from what I understand, when they shut it down, the coppers, decked out in their riot gear, decided to surround a bunch of school children/kids and started to beat, tase, and pelt them with rocks. The school kids didn't really pre-plan a protest, but it was rather them protesting that they were essentially being held captive.

Tonight, the police have been dousing people with chemicals for not abiding by the curfew. I believe it may be tear gas and some unknown chemical. Before they were using mainly tear gas and mace against people, but when the curfew went into effect, they added some other chemical. The national guard is in the downtown part of Baltimore City and in the wealthy white liberal areas, but aren't really found elsewhere in Baltimore. The news and a lot of people in Maryland seem more concerned about property and windows than black people.

I live in the Baltimore area, so I'd thought make a post about what i've observed and what the word is on what's occurring in the city. I think this is the first time I've posted something on here. So, yeah, I hope that was somewhat coherent.

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Apr 29 2015 13:22

Thanks ZooTrouble

Anything you can confirm/reject from my post #40 that you haven't touched on? I'm writing an article and need some first hand accounts.

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Apr 29 2015 14:25

Bastarx, that article is fucking bonkers. Those fucking people should eat some concrete.

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Apr 29 2015 15:41
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Tonight, the police have been dousing people with chemicals for not abiding by the curfew. I believe it may be tear gas and some unknown chemical. Before they were using mainly tear gas and mace against people, but when the curfew went into effect, they added some other chemical.

They might be "pepper balls," described on Baltimore TV news as projectiles releasing a flash of sparks and pepper-based tear gas.

Fuck the media. Click on this gem to see a video of moronic media hack Erin Burnett just doing her job.

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Apr 29 2015 16:33

ZooTrouble, thanks for posting, it was plenty coherent!

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Apr 29 2015 16:59
Jamal Rayyan wrote:
Thanks ZooTrouble

Anything you can confirm/reject from my post #40 that you haven't touched on? I'm writing an article and need some first hand accounts.

sounds good, please consider posting the article up to the libcom news section!

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Apr 29 2015 22:10
Jamal Rayyan wrote:
Thanks ZooTrouble

Anything you can confirm/reject from my post #40 that you haven't touched on? I'm writing an article and need some first hand accounts.

The police shut it down before school ended and were waiting for the kids. When the kids got there to catch their bus home, the cops decided to corral the kids up by force and wouldn't let them leave. The cops instigated it, then claimed a "riot" broke out. It was a trap, I suppose one could say. They've also been stopping buses and yanking kids and adults off of them for unknown reasons and then roughing them up some. That much has pretty much been confirmed.

I don't know anything about some photographer.

When I was down there this morning, I noticed the coppers were hesitant at using violence towards white people. Although,I was temporarily "detained" and the police basically robbed me and a friend and told us to leave, but we weren't beat. They seem to be specifically targeting black people for beatings.

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Apr 30 2015 05:24

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Apr 30 2015 11:54

So, I see there's been some sort of movement towards a "community" response towards, well, effectively policing the protests - lines of people separating the cops and the protesters, encouraging the youth to abide by the curfew, and participating in clean-ups.

Has there been any response to this on the ground? How widespread is this? What's the class composition of these groups? Do they have links to "dissident" establishment politics? I suspect there's an age element here as well, but would be really keen to hear from folks or groups in the city.