Chomsky on antifa

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Sep 29 2017 22:55
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There are maybe ~2000 antifa activists in the US, and almost all of them are white. So it's fair to say that there is no group of people for whom antifa activism is necessary, otherwise the numbers would be much higher. Far less than 1% of black people in America have decided to become antifa activists. Why do you think that is? May I empathize with those, like the survivors and family of the slain in South Carolina, who respond to fascist violence with love and forgiveness? Or are they 'privileged' too?

I bring up the history of opposing abstraction because I want to learn more about why you oppose it.

A few years ago, criticizing anti-fascism (and the idea of 'privilege') was the standard libcom position. No longer, it seems. As with the old threads about the Tahrir square protests in Egypt, critical ideas are abandoned at the first moment of action. A good illustration of why we shouldn't jump into action.

To be generous, these are alternative facts and fake news; to be bluntly honest, they are straight-up lies.

Letters, in another thread you said you deal with threats of violence by hiding under your bed. Is this the inaction practice of all nihilists, or just your own personal cowardly response?

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Sep 30 2017 00:59

The discussion from bootsy’s post here is being derailed again.

But, I just want to make an observation that connects the topic of the derailment to the reformist/revolutionary or effective/fragmenting problematic within anti-fascism.

Why exactly do we focus on fascism? Is it to promote our own ‘interests’ or is it to stop fascism – or do these two things really work together without damaging the ‘prevent fascism’ impulse because as bootsy states:

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Because fascism is a political movement which explicitely aims at crushing the workers' movement, trade unions, socialists, communists, anarchists and so forth as well as undermining working class solidarity by attacking migrants, blacks, Muslims, Catholics, Jews and so on. They are fundamentally more dangerous than any drug dealer. Their success comes at the direct expense of our communities, our aspirations, our needs and desires and our movement. They are not our only enemy, not by a long shot, but they are still an enemy who is totally clear about their desire to crush everything we stand for...

I take this to mean, and fair enough, that the reason we (as anarchists) resist (or should resist) fascism is primarily for the first reasons listed by bootsy, rather than the secondary ones. These secondary ones are defined by ‘as well as’: "'as well as... attacking migrants, blacks, Muslims, Catholics, Jews and so on"). Bootsy goes on to say that fascism is not our only enemy but it (fascism) is “totally clear about [its] desire to crush everything we stand for...'” And so I think he is saying that it is ‘our’ most immediate threat – as class struggle pro-revolutionaries - and to do nothing about it is a disastrous course to take.

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Sep 30 2017 00:57

But, to get back to the appeal from bootsy.

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On that level it would seem that Tom and Red might agree?

In fact, if one reads through the 'Setup In Charlottesville' thread (from RM's first post) and compares what Red Marriott and Hieronymous are arguing with what I have been arguing here one can see that we three are arguing for the same thing.

My contribution is just a suggestion for a tweaking of strategy and perspective - something that could actually serve to bring 'the left-comms' into things as well.

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Oct 1 2017 11:08
lettersjournal wrote:
There are maybe ~2000 antifa activists in the US, and almost all of them are white. So it's fair to say that there is no group of people for whom antifa activism is necessary, otherwise the numbers would be much higher.

News just in. If your not from the US, you don't exist

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Oct 9 2017 06:15

See the end of comment three on this thread:

https://libcom.org/library/forget-about-elections-once-all-alain-badiou