Fully Automated Luxury Communism

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potrokin
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Jul 21 2017 12:19
Fully Automated Luxury Communism

What are Libcommers' views on this?

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Jul 21 2017 14:20

There's this blog/thread
http://libcom.org/blog/fully-automated-luxury-communism-utopian-critique-14062015

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Jul 21 2017 14:52

Very interesting, thankyou.

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Jul 21 2017 21:23

Isn't that something coined by Novara, or at least popularized, highlighting how modern (and archaic as well, because anarchists and Marxists have touched on this for at least a hundred years now, just read Kropotkin) technology could produce an abundance and liberate people as opposed to enslaving and displacing them? I like the idea of combining positive words like "fully automated" and "luxury" with "communism" which has a bad reputation to the ill-informed and to those who equate it immediately with totalitarianism and state capitalism, perhaps the reasoning behind the phrase. But I agree with most of the criticisms in the blog post above, unlimited luxury being impossible for some goods, and so on; it's not enough envisioning something like fully automated luxury communism without a means of getting there or without people who desire it. I mean zeitgeisters draw on the same technological advances to argue we can do better, but they have a contempt for politics and for things such as class analysis (and their whole "movement" is riddled with conspiracy theorists), believing themselves to be above all of that.

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Jul 22 2017 09:24

I believe a group called Plan C are something to do with the concept aswell. I don't know who they are but apparently they saw the slogan: Luxury For All at a protest, which is apparently what started this idea but ofcourse I think I'm right in saying that in The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin explores how communism doesn't mean the end of luxury and the slogan probably originates from him I'm guessing, but I could be wrong- it's been some time since I read that book.

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Jul 22 2017 09:32

Yes,infact I have my copy of The Conquest of Bread here and there is a whole chapter titled: The Need For Luxury.

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Jul 22 2017 09:52

Here is a link to that chapter: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/kropotkin/conquest/ch9.html

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Jul 22 2017 09:54
potrokin wrote:
I believe a group called Plan C are something to do with the concept aswell. I don't know who they are but apparently they saw the slogan: Luxury For All at a protest, which is apparently what started this idea but ofcourse I think I'm right in saying that in The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin explores how communism doesn't mean the end of luxury and the slogan probably originates from him I'm guessing, but I could be wrong- it's been some time since I read that book.

I don't know if Novara have read Conquest of Bread, but that is among the socialists works I think which deals with the potential of technology to satisfy needs and tastes.

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Jul 22 2017 12:43

Theres also this chapter from Kropotkin on Agreeable Work: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/kropotkin/conquest/ch10.html

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Jul 22 2017 13:37

People have already mentioned Kropotkin. Emma Goldman also said "I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody's right to beautiful, radiant things."

So yes I'm all for it.

With Novara that was back in the good old days before they just became Labour Party cheerleaders