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Feb 10 2010 17:47

Crass-white punks on hope....

Cliche i agree....but gets to the point fair and square smile

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Feb 10 2010 18:27

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgC3qw_OlM

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Feb 11 2010 21:13

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One of my favourite operas: it is beautiful.

I've given it a lot of listens lately.

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Feb 12 2010 19:08

This is RAF punkwho were a hardcore band from Bologna, a little bit after the peak period of Autonomia.

They are a glorious shambolic mess!

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Feb 14 2010 21:08
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Baderneiro - thanks for the Vida Seca link - I'm playing it now. Is there any older anarchist music from Brazil? - along the lines of anarchist tangos from Argentina or anarchist fado from Portugal. I've come across one reference to an article on anarchist samba but nothing else.

If you remember the article, I'd like to see it. The only "anarchist" samba I ever heard is "Samba da Mais-Valia", or samba of surplus value, which sucked hard.

However, the musical style was born in the hills of Rio de Janeiro and there's a lot of really nice social critique on it and many times the taking of a proletarian point of view. Like in this samba of Cartola:

original wrote:
Se o operário soubesse
Reconhecer o valor que tem seu dia
Por certo que valeria
Duas vezes mais o seu salário

Mas como não quer reconhecer
É ele escravo sem ser
De qualquer usurário

Abafa-se a voz do oprimido
Com a dor e o gemido
Não se pode desabafar

Trabalho feito por minha mão
Só encontrei exploração
Em todo lugar

Translation wrote:
If the worker knew
How much his day was worth
It'd certainly cost
Twice his wage

(...)

Work done by my hand
I only found exploitation
Everywhere

And there are many other examples out there.

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Feb 15 2010 12:51
Pemulwry wrote:
This is RAF punkwho were a hardcore band from Bologna, a little bit after the peak period of Autonomia.

They are a glorious shambolic mess!

It's a terrible band name, but the one song by them I have on a comp is awesome. Most 80s Italian hardcore I've heard seems to have a nicely mental edge to it.

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Feb 15 2010 16:50
Baderneiro Miseravel wrote:
JH wrote:
Is there any older anarchist music from Brazil? - along the lines of anarchist tangos from Argentina or anarchist fado from Portugal. I've come across one reference to an article on anarchist samba but nothing else.

If you remember the article, I'd like to see it. The only "anarchist" samba I ever heard is "Samba da Mais-Valia", or samba of surplus value, which sucked hard.

I only saw the name of the article in a list of references at the end of something else. I don't think the article itself is on-line anywhere - and now I can't find the reference.

It's always possible that there wasn't actually much that was explicitly political rather than giving a more general social commentary.

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Feb 15 2010 19:42

General Strike - Federation

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Feb 15 2010 22:48
Baderneiro Miseravel wrote:
The only "anarchist" samba I ever heard is "Samba da Mais-Valia", or samba of surplus value, which sucked hard.

For the record: Samba da Mais-Valia

Baderneiro Miseravel wrote:

However, the musical style was born in the hills of Rio de Janeiro and there's a lot of really nice social critique on it and many times the taking of a proletarian point of view. Like in this samba of Cartola:

original wrote:
Se o operário soubesse
Reconhecer o valor que tem seu dia
Por certo que valeria
Duas vezes mais o seu salário

Mas como não quer reconhecer
É ele escravo sem ser
De qualquer usurário

Abafa-se a voz do oprimido
Com a dor e o gemido
Não se pode desabafar

Trabalho feito por minha mão
Só encontrei exploração
Em todo lugar

Translation wrote:
If the worker knew
How much his day was worth
It'd certainly cost
Twice his wage

(...)

Work done by my hand
I only found exploitation
Everywhere

And there are many other examples out there.

Samba do Operário

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Feb 15 2010 23:42

From Argentina

Hijo del Pueblo

Hijo del pueblo
te oprimen cadenas
y esa injusticia
no puede seguir.

Si tu existencia
es un mundo de penas
antes que esclavo
prefiere morir.

Esos burgueses
asaz egoístas
que así desprecian
a la humanidad.

Serán barridos
por los anarquistas
al fuerte grito
de la libertad.

Ah, rojo pendón
no más sufrir
la explotación
ha de sucumbir.

Levántate
pueblo leal
al grito de
revolución social.

Viva la Anarquia

Oíd mortales el grito sagrado
de Anarquía y Solidaridad
oíd el ruido de bombas que estallan
en defensa de la Libertad.

El obrero que sufre proclama
la Anarquía del mundo a través
coronada su sien de laureles
y a sus plantas rendido el burgués.

De los nuevos mártires la gloria
sus verdugos osan envidiar
la grandeza anidó en sus pechos
sus palabras hicieron temblar.

Viva, viva la Anarquía!
No más el yugo sufrir
coronados de gloria vivamos
o juremos con gloria morir.

Al lamento del niño que grita:
dame pan, dame pan, dame pan,
le contesta la tierra temblando,
arrojando su lava el volcán.

Guerra a muerte, gritan los obreros
guerra a muerte al infame burgués,
guerra a muerte, repiten los héroes
de Chicago, París y Jerez.

Desde un polo hasta el otro resuena
ese grito que al burgués aterra,
y los niños repiten en coro:
nuestra patria, burgués, es la tierra.

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Feb 16 2010 00:17

Pablo Moses - Revolutionary Step

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Feb 17 2010 02:06

They Might Be Giants - Never Go to Work

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Feb 24 2010 11:00

Johnny Cash - One Piece At A Time

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Feb 24 2010 17:42

... and it never cost me a dime

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Feb 25 2010 00:00

I've come a bit late to this thread - really interesting and informative - I think theres a distinction to be made between music that has an anarchist propagandist purpose and music that is made according to anarchist principles - in the latter category (though also including a propagandist/didactic dimension, particularly the composers) I'd include American composers John Cage and Christian Wolff (composer/improviser, libertarian socialist - check out 'Exercises', 'Wobbly Music', 'Changing The System') and Dutch composer Louis Andriessen (libertarian socialist - 'De Volharding', 'Workers Union'), free improvisation groups like MEV (musica electronica viva - a group of improvisers/composers originally based in Italy though mainly American) and AMM (see drummer Eddie Prevost's books 'No Sound is Innocent' and 'Minute Particulars'). Not always the easiest listening but an attempt by classically trained composers/players and improvisers to deal with anarchist/libertarian ideas and ways of working together...

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Feb 25 2010 21:46

why can't music 'made to anarchist principles' sound enjoyable? nothing against experimentation but I don't see why 'anarchist principles', if they can be applied to music at all, should produce experimental noise rather than something 'pop'.

on that note...

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Feb 26 2010 00:31

no reason at all....but 'enjoyable' is a pretty subjective concept that raises all sorts of questions - some people enjoy industrial techno or hardcore thrash-punk but thats not easy listening either....I think what I was trying to suggest is that there are other ways of making music that don't conform to the music industry's modus operandi and such music-making can be a site for exploration of libertarian attitudes and activity. Music is big enough to embrace both 'pop' and 'experimental' and there's an audience for both. The reason why 'experimental' music has developed the way it has (and it exists in the 'pop' sphere too - I'd include non-dance electronica like Autechre for instance) is a pretty big subject too big to go into here probably.... all I can say is I enjoy Gang of 4, Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music, John Cage and crazy free improvisation equally and (as a musician and anarchist) find inspiration and stimulus for my own (musical and social) activity in all of them.

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Feb 26 2010 02:58
raize wrote:
why can't music 'made to anarchist principles' sound enjoyable? nothing against experimentation but I don't see why 'anarchist principles', if they can be applied to music at all, should produce experimental noise rather than something 'pop'.

on that note...

Comet Gain have a song called "Say Yes! to International Socialism"
here is a not so great live version on the ole youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySZwLaW97po

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Feb 26 2010 05:25

Live version was better than the studio one, I thought, but still good. I downloaded a couple of ep's...

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Feb 26 2010 16:15

I wasn't trying to argue against music not being 'enjoyable'/being experimental, just the implication that music made along anarchist lines will be avant garde, as though modern pop music is inextricably linked in form and structure to capitalism.

I see no reason why something that sounded like stock, aitken and waterman couldn't be produced in a 'anarchist way', (perhaps part of the problem is that I'm not entirely sure what you meant by anarchist principles when it comes to art)

Vlad: Sadly their wiki page said

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They have been cited heavily by current UK punk band The Cribs as being a big influence.

which tainted them and made it very hard for me to like them afterwards sad

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Feb 26 2010 19:11

I was referring to the way that in the classical world there's a very clear hierarchy with the composer at the top (being the creative one) and the players as (uncreative) wage slaves whose job is to reproduce the composer's ideas as accurately as possible via the medium of the written score. Composers like Cage, Andriessen, Wolff etc. try to create situations where the players have ownership of the composed music as much as them, and groups like MEV and AMM make their own music (much as pop/rock/jazz/folk etc musicians do, only through free improvisation or 'instant composition' as some people call it) rather than reproducing other peoples' music. I dont think 'anarchist' music has to be experimental/avant-garde either, just in the classical world it tends to be (though Andriessen's written some pretty funky stuff - kind of classical punk...). Someone like Adorno would argue that popular music is inextricably linked in content and structure to capitalism but he was a musical snob.....

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Feb 27 2010 00:58
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why can't music 'made to anarchist principles' sound enjoyable? nothing against experimentation but I don't see why 'anarchist principles', if they can be applied to music at all, should produce experimental noise rather than something 'pop'.

Yeah, I second that, though I don't believe that experimentation necessarily leads to non-enjoyable music.

We can do a lot of crazy stuff and still have music that is nice to listen. It's all a matter of equilibrating experimentation and niceness. We must fight pop music without ceasing to make popular music, fight commercial musical alienation without alienating the people with unlistenable stuff. It's hard, but it's not impossible!

Some time ago I started a blog in this theme. It's still in the beginning, though. Check it out: www.anarchofolk.wordpress.com (It's mostly in portuguese, but you get the idea!)

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Feb 27 2010 14:02

chansons anarchistes

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Feb 28 2010 17:45
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Quote: I see a red door and I want to paint it black
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I'll take that back; I see Mick Jager lives in Mayfair!

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Mar 7 2010 22:25

Richard, General Strike's split with Sab Cats was available from ASF-IWA site under Audio, but now the link is broken. Do you know where I can get it?

Robot, I got some of the albums you mentioned here:
Georges Brassens
Les Anarchistes
Pour en Finir avec le Travail

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Mar 8 2010 10:36

found in the Wikipedia article on Andrew Eldritch: "Politically, he has claimed to be "traditionally a Labour supporter" despite his "anarcho-syndicalist tendencies"" wink

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Mar 8 2010 16:31

Interesting discussion between igor and dano about experiemental music and the need not to alienate people.Not all free jazz is screaming sax (though a good feak out is great to listen to at the right time) it can be a whole mixture of styles etc. The Art Emsamble of Chicargo is a very good example. One of the problems is that music has become almost wallpaper, and there is no encouragement to either site and listen, or to learn how to appreciate music. This was one of the points that Adorno was getting at. I am speaking as someone how has no musical training and deeply regrets it.
I am not sure if anyone has raised this point, what about 'industrial' folk music. This was clearly hijacked by the Stalinists from the 30's onwards but there are some very moving and stirring songs by the likes of Vin Garbutt (City of Angles, reduces me to tears every time I hear it)
Talking about music appreciation, does anyone know of any good websites that deal with this?

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Mar 10 2010 12:42
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was referring to the way that in the classical world there's a very clear hierarchy with the composer at the top (being the creative one) and the players as (uncreative) wage slaves whose job is to reproduce the composer's ideas as accurately as possible via the medium of the written score. Composers like Cage, Andriessen, Wolff etc. try to create situations where the players have ownership of the composed music as much as them

Fair enough, my knowledge of classical music is pretty much limited to the first half of theThe Rest Is Noise. I still don't see anything inherently anarchistic in free form composition however (nothing particularly unanarchistic about it either mind), its just another form of creating sound. I don't really get how one ceases to be a wage-slave just by having input to a creative process. Likewise in a anarchist society I don't see anything wrong with people taking the lead from composers if they are willing to, in present society people seem quite content and happy in amateur groups/cover bands to basically emulate and perform someone else's ideas even if they have no 'ownership' of the intellectual property.

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Mar 20 2010 07:21

as far as i can see no one has mentioned The Ex from the Netherlands. they've been around for ages (30 years), began as punk, crossed over to a more experimental sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H844aTFx2z4

unlike most anarchist punky bands they are listened to by musos and even non-anarchists (unbelievable!). unfortunately, most anarchos just seem to listen to that spanish revolution CD/photo book thing they did, but their music got much more interesting later on, esp in collaboration with Tom Cora, Han Buhrs etc

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Oct 10 2011 02:20
Rats wrote:
You want some acoustic tunes? Jessie Williams is fantastic - http://jessiewilliams.webs.com/downloads.htm

For real, saw her live in Houston, great show, but she was a bit wasted