Greek anarchists attack and destroy fascists’ offices

Greek anarchists attack and destroy fascists’ offices

Greek anarchists launch a daylight assault on the newly opened office of a prominent neo-nazi group.

The Greek Neo-Nazi group ‘Golden Dawn’ have very recently opened a new office in the port city of Patras. Two days after it opened anarchists stormed the building in broad daylight and smashed everything inside.

They destroyed records and propaganda and also destroyed all the fixtures and fittings, including walls, doors, water pipes, and furniture. They left the building covered in anti-fascist slogans.

The ‘Golden Dawn’ is the same fascist group that the Greek Communist Party (KKE) welcomed into a steelworkers dispute in Athens.




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Mar 18 2012 22:09

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greenman-23
Mar 18 2012 23:36

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

no.25
Mar 18 2012 23:57

Yeah, maybe if we just project our love unto the fash they'll refrain from killing immigrants or anyone who isn't in accordance with their categorization of 'white.'

Surtrsflame
Mar 19 2012 00:56

Yeah, the whole "ignoring the fascists till they go away" thing was tried. It failed.......BADLY. A better way of handling the fascists is to ruin their ability to gain power before they get it. Cheers to these guys for proper treatment of the fascist scum.

BanjoRed91
Mar 19 2012 02:14

Agree with the two latter comments, as much as I would like to see pacifism to work the reality is that authoritarian statist racists like the Golden Dawn are people who, if in power, would have no problem stamping out all opposition, nonwhite/immigrants, etc. You can't compromise with fascists

Def
Mar 19 2012 03:11

I approve.

wojtek
Mar 19 2012 04:58

Yeah, assuming compassion in ideological, fully paid-up members of the fash is naive, beyond a certain point they're fair game.

greenman-23
Mar 19 2012 13:10

i think you miss the whole point.. HATE IS THE ENEMY .. if you adopt and practice hate you are the enemy! it' doesn't matter who you aim your bigotry and hate at it's bigotry and hate..

by practising such acts you are not fighting fascism you are promoting it!

never a truer word ever said than the quote above by Martin Luther Hate cannot and never will drive out Hate...

When will you learn?

greenman-23
Mar 19 2012 13:21

particular and rather sadly demonstrated by the tragic events in france today.. a violent act of hate against jews... people like you don't oppose but justify these people... you use the same tactics but arrogantly believe you are justified because your similarly believe your ideals are higher... IF YOU THINK BRUTALLY ENFORCING YOUR POLITICAL POSITION IS JUSTIFIED YOU ARE AS ARROGANT AS HITLER AND STALIN two men politically opposed by identical in their use of hate and violence to achieve their objectives

be a monster if you want but don't complain when the monster come after you!

jolasmo
Mar 19 2012 13:18
greenman-23 wrote:
i think you miss the whole point.. HATE IS THE ENEMY .. if you adopt and practice hate you are the enemy! it' doesn't matter who you aim your bigotry and hate at it's bigotry and hate..

OMG if you replace hate with Judaism that sounds totally like Hitler or something.

When will you learn!!!?11 etc.

~J.

working class s...
Mar 19 2012 13:19

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

Really? was it love that that stopped Hitler? was it love from the 43 group that destroyed Oswald Mosely? Was it love that stopped the NF in the 70's & 80's, was it love that that put the BNP back 10 years in the early 90's?

Perhaps you can give some examples of when 'love' has overcome fascism?

jolasmo
Mar 19 2012 13:20

Actually why don't I quote fascists:

Adolf Hitler wrote:
Only one thing could have broken our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle, and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement
greenman-23
Mar 19 2012 13:23
jolasmo wrote:
greenman-23 wrote:
i think you miss the whole point.. HATE IS THE ENEMY .. if you adopt and practice hate you are the enemy! it' doesn't matter who you aim your bigotry and hate at it's bigotry and hate..

OMG if you replace hate with Judaism that sounds totally like Hitler or something.

When will you learn!!!?11 etc.

~J.

how ridiculous: I'm quoting martin Luther King... shame on you to try to pervert his great words

working class s...
Mar 19 2012 13:24

you can quote Martin Luther King all you want. It doesnt mean anything. give me examples of when fascism has been defeated by 'love'??

greenman-23
Mar 19 2012 13:25
working class self organisation wrote:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

Really? was it love that that stopped Hitler? was it love from the 43 group that destroyed Oswald Mosely? Was it love that stopped the NF in the 70's & 80's, was it love that that put the BNP back 10 years in the early 90's?

Perhaps you can give some examples of when 'love' has overcome fascism?

some.. there are thousands.. to be honest the lack of historical understanding here begs belief.. MARTIN LUTHER KING , GANDHI ... to name just two trust you have heard of them ?

greenman-23
Mar 19 2012 13:28

because people like you keep it alive!

stop feeding the animal !

working class s...
Mar 19 2012 13:30

I dotn recall Gandhi or MLK beoing present at any of the events I mention above.

Are you just ignoring those?

working class s...
Mar 19 2012 13:33

http://propertyistheft.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/why-pacifism-is-morally-indefensible/

the button
Mar 19 2012 13:43
greenman-23 wrote:
MARTIN LUTHER KING , GANDHI ... to name just two trust you have heard of them ?

Yeah, I've heard of Gandhi. Here's his letter to his "friend," Hitler.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/09/for-sake-of-humanity_10.html

Lucky he wrote it, otherwise there might have been a massive war or something.

jonthom
Mar 19 2012 13:51
greenman-23 wrote:
working class self organisation wrote:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

Really? was it love that that stopped Hitler? was it love from the 43 group that destroyed Oswald Mosely? Was it love that stopped the NF in the 70's & 80's, was it love that that put the BNP back 10 years in the early 90's?

Perhaps you can give some examples of when 'love' has overcome fascism?

some.. there are thousands.. to be honest the lack of historical understanding here begs belief.. MARTIN LUTHER KING , GANDHI ... to name just two trust you have heard of them ?

I'll see your Martin Luther King and Gandhi, and raise you a Malcolm X and Bhagat Singh.

As an aside, why is it that some folks seem to quote MLK and Gandhi as though their words are somehow unquestionably correct "just because"? I've encountered religious folks with a more flexible attitude to scripture than some pacifists' attitude to these two.

Tart
Mar 19 2012 13:59
Quote:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

Allowing the fascists to organise is to let hate conquer- I am against violence as way of resolving disputes but when faced with a group organising for violence against us (which is what building a fascist movement is all about) we can not allow them. To do so is suicide. Violence is not ever a good thing but it is not always avoidable. Building a movement for communism (spreading love?) is the long term answer to defeating fascism but in the short term we must defend ourselves or face destruction.

Tart
Mar 19 2012 13:59
Quote:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

Allowing the fascists to organise is to let hate conquer- I am against violence as way of resolving disputes but when faced with a group organising for violence against us (which is what building a fascist movement is all about) we can not allow them. To do so is suicide. Violence is not ever a good thing but it is not always avoidable. Building a movement for communism (spreading love?) is the long term answer to defeating fascism but in the short term we must defend ourselves or face destruction.

no.25
Mar 19 2012 15:03

Oh good, the plot thickens with pacifism.

This is a quote from a post at Occupied London, I can't attest to its accuracy at the moment but I highly doubt that it would be untrue.

Agathi wrote:
Here’s some information on Hrisi Avgy/ Golden Dawn:

Firstly, GD has been responsible for many violent attacks on migrants in the past few years – including shootings, murders, beatings and operations to evict and burn migrant squats in collaboration with the police/state.

They have also stabbed anarchists (spring/summer of 2008) as well as the usual attempted/actual firebombing etc. A reality check for ‘real’ anarchists like you John (Steve go back to Echelon, your lunch break is over) who are more intimate with your keyboard then any sort of struggle for freedom.

“Golden Dawn described itself as a “People’s Nationalist Movement” and “uncompromising Nationalists. According to the Party’s charter, “only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Golden Dawn”. The charter also puts the leader in total control of the party, and formalizes the use of the ******gruss for party members. At first, the party embraced neo-Pagan beliefs, believing them to be intermingled with National Socialism in accordance to Nazi occultism, describing Marxism and liberalism as “the ideological carriers of Judeo-Christianity.”

A few Golden Dawn members participated in the Bosnian War in the Greek Volunteer Guard (GVG), which was part of the Drina Corps of the Army of Republika Srpska. GVG volunteers were present in Srebrenica during the Srebrenica genocide, and they raised a Greek flag at a ruined church after the fall of the town. [this refers to the July 1995 killing, during the Bosnian War, of more than 8,000 Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina by units of the Army of Republika Srpska - who the GD members joined and where present during the genocide

Spiros Tzanopoulos, a GVG sergeant who took part in the attack against Srebrenica, said many of the Greek volunteers participated in the war because they were members of Golden Dawn.

Antonios Androutsopoulos (better known as Periandros), a prominent member of Golden Dawn, was on the run from 1998 to September 14, 2005 after being accused of the June 16, 1998 attempted murder of three left-wing students — including Dimitris Kousouris, who was heavily injured.

In October 1997, Giannopoulos published an article in Chrysi Avyi magazine calling for nationalist vigilantism against immigrants and left wingers. In 1998, a prominent party member, Antonios Androutsopoulos, [nearly lethally] assaulted left wing student activist Dimitris Kousouris.

In December 1980, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, and a group of his supporters launched Chrysi Avyi magazine. Michaloliakos (a mathematician and a dishonourably discharged former commando reservist officer) had been active in far right politics for many years, and he had been arrested several times for politically-motivated offences, such as beating attacks and illegal possession of explosive materials,which led to his dischargement from the military. While he was in prison, Michaloliakos met the leaders of the Greek military junta of 1967–1974 [the brutal dictatorship responsible for severe repression and the murder of students and dissenters], and he laid the foundations of the Hrisi Avgi party. The characteristics of the magazine and the organisation were clearly National Socialist.”

So apart from attacking and murdering migrants, anarchists (it is probably a good time to point out that the cop who killed Alexandros was a member of Golden dawn) Golden Dawn are also implicated in the mass murder of bosniaks – Bosnian muslims.

But yes, of course we shouldn’t mess with their election material and their operation bases – den’s from which they launch attacks on freedom, dignity and the lives of those who don’t fit their authoritarian visions of ‘purity’. Yes, totally…

wojtek
Mar 19 2012 15:23
Quote:
...Gandhi had advocated his doctrines of non-violence from early on. This did not stop him from supporting the British in 1899 in the Boer War, volunteering to help them and organising an ambulance corps. As he said, "As long as the subjects owe allegiance to a state, it is their clear duty generally to accommodate themselves, and to accord their support, to the acts of the state". When Gandhi was organising a mass march in South Africa in 1913, to obtain rights for Indians there, the white railway workers went on strike over pay and conditions. Gandhi immediately cancelled his march, saying that civil resisters should not take advantage of a government’s difficulty .On the outbreak of the First World War, Gandhi actively recruited for the British war effort, despite his ‘pacifism’. On the outbreak of the Second World War, he publicly pledged not to embarrass the British, and would lend moral support to the Allies...

Afed critique the crap out of Gandhi!

soc
Mar 19 2012 16:15
wojtek wrote:
Quote:
...Gandhi had advocated his doctrines of non-violence from early on. This did not stop him from supporting the British in 1899 in the Boer War, volunteering to help them and organising an ambulance corps. As he said, "As long as the subjects owe allegiance to a state, it is their clear duty generally to accommodate themselves, and to accord their support, to the acts of the state". When Gandhi was organising a mass march in South Africa in 1913, to obtain rights for Indians there, the white railway workers went on strike over pay and conditions. Gandhi immediately cancelled his march, saying that civil resisters should not take advantage of a government’s difficulty .On the outbreak of the First World War, Gandhi actively recruited for the British war effort, despite his ‘pacifism’. On the outbreak of the Second World War, he publicly pledged not to embarrass the British, and would lend moral support to the Allies...

Afed critique the crap out of Gandhi!

Peopl of the non-violence-doctrine are exactly on their way to build a religion. You can almost see how Muhammad, and Jesus (one or some of the many rebel Jewish sect) has been praised to the point where they became holy persons, whose ideas are nothing but the true words of God, therefore shall not be questioned.

Do not ask. Do not doubt. Do not think. Do not question the authority of MLK or Gandhi.

Disgusting. Their names are repeated ad nauseam with no proper historical reference, with no relevant information to the present, without any context. They just the new stars of the trendy, well-paid, socially-sensitive, alternative-vegan left. They've started with Steve Jobs. I've met some of these people and frankly I have the same urge to beat them up as I would in the presence of a fash.

As for the GD: In the political situation of Greece, they are getting more and more dangerous by the day. They have to be pushed back to the sewage where they are from, before it turns out to be too late.

wojtek
Mar 19 2012 18:03
Quote:
They [the fash] have to be pushed back to the sewage where they are from, before it turns out to be too late.

A bit unfair of these four no? smile

jef costello
Mar 19 2012 18:04

Golden Dawn are violent fascists who are quite happy to attack left-wingers, migrants, different skin tones etc. They are an actual physical danger and that needs to be addressed. Pacifism works if you either massively outnumber the enemy (in the case of India the British Army had fewer troops defending the entire Empire than most european countries had in single colonies. It was a complete house of cards militarily. If you have an enemy willing and able to arrest, torture and murder then you're basically relying on them to develop a conscience or collapse from exhaustion.

RedEd
Mar 19 2012 18:42

I doubt many of the 'pacifists' who denounce this sort of thing would give two fucks if the police kicked the occupents out and boarded the place up. They'd probably think it was a victory for the tollerant society.

I can't understand anyone who thinks trashing a place owned by a murderous dictatorial organisation is anything other than a good thing.

S. Artesian
Mar 19 2012 19:09
greenman-23 wrote:
i think you miss the whole point.. HATE IS THE ENEMY .. if you adopt and practice hate you are the enemy! it' doesn't matter who you aim your bigotry and hate at it's bigotry and hate..

by practising such acts you are not fighting fascism you are promoting it!

never a truer word ever said than the quote above by Martin Luther Hate cannot and never will drive out Hate...

When will you learn?

No, you're missing the whole point. Hate isn't the "enemy" no more than love is the "ally." Those are human emotions.

We're talking about class struggle, battles over the material conditions of human existence. We're talking about enemies of the working class; those who want to drive labor, and with it, all of humanity, into conditions of extreme deprivation in order to satisfy the need for the accumulation of capital.

You think, for example, those African-American militias that formed during Reconstruction to defend the former slaves from the terrorist attacks of the nightriders and KKK were promoting terrorism and racism? That's just plain stupid.

PS Get rid of this troll Greenman........

KriegPhilosophy
Mar 19 2012 19:55
Quote:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

HEY HEY PARASITA!!!! HEY HEY PARASITA!!!!

BanjoRed91
Mar 19 2012 21:24

I don't think Greenman is a troll, I don't agree with his absolute pacifism but it's not like he's a nationalist troll mocking us. Though I will say that he needs to lay off the patronizing "when will you learn"-rhetoric if he wants to be taken seriously, that kind of ego amongst pacifists is why it's hard to converse with them at times