2016 U.S. Presidential election

I think it's a little easier to believe that activists at trump events were yelling and spitting at trump ppl, than planned parenthood selling baby parts, Artesian. Is it really so hard to believe? Search for Trump rally in Tuscon. Also, The events are private so that trump can kick ppl out legally, that's only a point of clarity not an endorsement.

But my main point was that us leftists so desperately want to renact 1930's Street fights we begin believing things which are absurd exaggerations- like trump has some Street army(of 78 year old grandpa's I'm sure) he will us to impose a dictatorship when Congress gets in his way. I mean, this is simply dillusional, as dillusional as planned parenthood selling babies.

Actually, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit on protestors standing silently being attacked for "no reason whatsoever." See the Chicago event where a protestors steals a sign and tears it in two. Etcetera, etcetera. That's how fights get started.

Not to justify them being attacked, which they have a right to not be attacked, but because I believe they are trying to start these fights(and I've seen footage attesting to it) for the reasons I noted. And frankly, this is really going to backfire and it gives credence to the notion of "liberal facism" and so on. Which I really detest.

So go out on a limb and provide evidence for that. Provide the links to the video showing protestors spitting on Trump people; to the Trump protestors engaging in assaults, in provocations.

I'm sure you believe what you believe; just like many people believe GIs returning from Vietnam were spat upon. There was, however, no evidence of any such incidents, much less a pattern, or planned response of such attacks.

What you believe doesn't matter if you can't provide any evidence to back it up.

Liberal fascism? WTF are you talking about? When the Klan shows up to rally in Orange Co. and gets attacked is that "liberal fascism"?? You think the African-American man, who was being escorted out of a Trump rally in the grip of the police when he was assaulted by a white Trump supporter is a "liberal fascist who "tried to start a fight"??

"Liberal fascism" is a fucking looney-toon myth.

Dude, just look it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/21/police-officer-trump-protesters-were-the-most-hateful-evil-people-ive-ever-seen/

What's amazing here is this witness is black.

https://youtu.be/Kd6pVAb_tHs

https://youtu.be/gI9MCvK2MGs

https://youtu.be/OjbAs5F_bYY

There is a quite a bit of video and testimony to the aggressiveness of the protestors, it's not one sided Artesian.

Re: liberals facism is the notion that leftists are aggressive towards those they disagree with and so on. It's an absurd notion and the term itself makes no sense, but protestors acting like fools feeds it nonetheless. Sorry, not sorry, but it's the truth.

It was pointed out in a cracked article that soldiers coming back from vietnam arrived on military planes at military airbases. This belief seems to be based on First Blood.

I can still remember Rambo crying about it. Old myths die hard

Yeah, so I want to clarify what I was getting at.

I don't think the violence is one sided. Both sides want blood. Some want some anti facism reenactment. Some want communist strike breaking reenactment (why does that 78 y/o grandpa remind me of grandpa Simpson and his strike breakers?) This will backfire because Americans hate it, hate it, when groups of people try to "infringe" on freedom of speech. But the left looks a little worse because they actually are disrupting speeches. That's how average ppl see it, ngl, It's deeply anti-liberal(in the classical sense). This is where liberal fascism comes in, unfortunately(not endorsing the term BTW).

Plus, the fact is, Trump is very, very unpopular with the general electorate -which is reassuring, in a way- he won't get elected unless Hillary royaly fucks up; like really bad- look at the polls, and half the GOP and virtually all the media hates Trumps guts- so that's an uphill battle.

Is xenophobia disturbing? Is it increasing? Idk, we live in a world with ISIS attacking random bystandards in Belgium and wannaba ISIS members in California doing the same. That will cause more xenophobia than a thousand trump speeches- in fact it causes Trumps speeches because he's appealing to the constituency that is fearful. Education is the only solution to that, picking fights at trump rallies do very little but harden the right.

news flash: ppl get defensive and will actually dig in when they are "called out". Any psychologists will agree with that. That's why I'm saying these protests and disruptions will royaly backfire....

But ultimately, Trump is not going anywhere, his constituency is just too small in this day and age. so all this anxiety over "fascist USA" is pretty dillusional, whether it's from the left or the genuienly fascist right(they too are marginalized and out of touch). And frankly, it's perverse that the left is fantasizing about this. I really think they want to believe this is the "it can't happen here" moment so they can Street fight(or at least fantasize about it) or be pious martyrs/victims for the cause.

dp

Apparently a bird grabbed the mic at a Bernie Sanders rally - up the struggle.

(This is probably more appropriate for the "Kill the humans" threads.)

Trumps Jack-booted storm-strooper "Street army":

https://youtu.be/MiOHQ4Rhgx4

Excuse me. If saying "black lives matter" at a Trump rally is aggressive, then there's something really wrong with your definition of aggressiveness. I've looked at the videos, as they were being posted over the last 2 months, and you have physical assaults against people who are chanting "black lives matter," or demanding Trump answer a question he himself solicited.

Every two-bit fascist, KKK twit, when they get confronted by those who aren't going to be bullied by their murderous bullshit complains about the "aggressiveness" of the protestors-- just look at the whining of the KKK group in Orange, Co.

Wait... right.... you don't think Trump supporters can be compared to the KKK? Yeah, tell that to the African-American woman who was called a c**t and a n*****r and struck and shoved by the trump crowd. Tell that to the African-American man who was assaulted when being led out by the police, and whose assailant said "Next time, we may have to kill him.'

You can keep making up all the bullshit you want about "liberal fascism." Doesn't mean it exists. Just confirms that you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure where this fits in with any of this, and I don't really know what to say about it, having become gob-smacked by it, but apparently there is a fairly serious effort, by petition, to allow the carrying of firearms on the floor of the Republican Party convention. Heard it on television.

Artesian, yelling at ppl that the will burn in hell and grabbing things out of their hands and tearing it up. Giving the finger, calling people racist, fighting security guards...yes, these things are aggressive. I didn't say trump supporters arent engaging in violence themselves. I'm saying both sides are. I've also provided video evidence. You can't make up video evidence- you've provided squat btw. Just saying someone is "making it up" doesn't mean it's "made up".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/27/donald-trump-ted-cruz-john-kasich-guns-open-carry-cleveland-convention-republicans/82321374/

I'm shocked. I'm shocked and appalled. How can anyone possibly justify all this unseemly behaviour? Rude hand gestures? Tearing up paper? ffs, disgusted. Such aggression. Why couldn't they just get a petition together, or better still, a silent march or a candle-lit vigil?

I was under the impression that anarchists weren't particularly adverse to people fighting back. Maybe I'm in the wrong club. Oh well, the snacks are usually pretty awful anyway.

is this some kind of silent majority argument? because I'm pretty sure there were way more protestors in chicago than trump supporters, so I don't how you can conclusively say that 'Americans' hate it. also, i haven't seen any huge swings of favorability in trump's favor following all of the protests, so......maybe you are wrong?

@juan... communism or death would have sufficed, if it wasn't for that security detail

Kingzog isn't an anarchist, he self identifies as an "Orthodox Marxist" whatever that means.

Also regarding Trumps popularity being based on racism or not, there's a poll that's been released that shows that Trump's winning the Minorities get all the breaks group by quite a high margin.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-supporters-think-whites-left-behind

I can respond then this. I think majority of people look at the craziness and see it as both sides' doing. And I do think there is truth to that. At any rate, trump is very unpopular with the general public.

....for instance:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273986-poll-voters-blame-trump-protesters-for-rally-violence

Learn some math.

Artesian, here is the poll. See if you can wrap your mind around it.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2333

Juan, that is an interesting point. In the end Trumpism is, I predict, going to bolster the Democrats, probably Clinton Democrats, who are fairly conservative.

78% blame the protestors, 70% blame Trump supporters; that makes 148%.

Now we get 78% vs 64%. That's 142%

They must be taking these surveys in Chicago, where generally 150% of the voting age population turns out to vote for the Democrat.

And you think any of that, that swill about who thinks whom is responsible has anything to do with reality?

You are probably too young to remember, but there were all those polls about Vietnam, and how the public supported LBJ and the story about the "aggression" from the North; and all the polls showing that the protestors were pissing people off... and on and on.

Until Tet 1968. Then suddenly, the support shifted. Then the protestors weren't quite so crazy; weren't quite so unpopular.

Trump is somebody with whom I don't just "disagree" with. I am appalled by his open call for legalization and expansion of torture and for his proposals of policies based on ethnicity and religion. As far as I am concerned this makes him fair game for any type of peaceful disruption. He is an avowed anti-democratic bigot with whom I have no desire to "exchange views."

N.B. Whatever you think of the protesters in Chicago: 1) they were peaceful and non-violent if bothersome and noisy 2) They did nothing except hold up signs, snake dance and shout some slogans a full half hour before Trump was even scheduled to appear 3) Trump cancelled the rally because he knew he would be constantly booed and shouted at. Excellent.

Don't be one of those lumps who, when asked by your grandkids or nieces and nephews, "what did you do when Trump was on the rise" has to answer, "Well, Jimmy I sat on my ass and pontificated against those protesters who were being rude to him." Won't cut it.

Trump should be protested wherever he appears. And now that we learn more about Chicago, double shame on Democrats who have denounced these kids.

They disrupted exactly nobody (though I would support disruption). They gathered on the rally site -- that was open to the public-- two and a half hours before Trump was scheduled to speak. There was a lot of tension in the room given that there were clearly several hundred students there in opposition to Trump. Tough you know what.

Only after Trump chickened out and cancelled the rally did problems begin. Trump supporters then got aggressive and abusive with the students whom they blamed for the cancellation and then the yelling, pushing and shoving started.

As I said, I give these young people props and kudos for their courage and commitment. If the rest of the country showed that kind of resolve, we'd have a much better place to live in. Too many Americans are phobic about taking political action, even in the face of extremist demagogues.