The path to communism

Submitted by Craftwork on February 22, 2026

Thinking about feasible paths to communism, and based on extensive reading, every great attempt at proletarian revolution tends to follow a specific course. Here's my thinking at the moment. I'd welcome criticism, but if we agree that communism must be global in order to be successful, since the thing that communism negates (capitalism) is itself a global mode of production, then:

Stage 1: a painful birth

1. Revolution breaks out in a territory.

2. Revolutionary forces succeed in overthrowing the ruling-class.

3. Counterrevolutionary forces attack the revolution, with support from external allies; dictatorship of the proletariat is necessary as an armed body of proletarian-revolutionary defence.

4. Military conflict between revolutionary forces and counterrevolution.

5. Counterrevolutionary forces are defeated militarily, but the revolutionary territory is left politically and economically isolated.

6. Revolutionary territory has to find some way to survive economically whilst also ensuring self-defensive capabilities.

Stage 2: stabilisation and progress

7. A feasible economic policy; impossible to establish full communism within the boundaries of some geographical zone, so instead some compromise policy must be implemented.

8. Realistically, markets and money will have to be retained if the revolutionary territory is not economically self-sufficient (e.g. on an island nation such as Britain). Commanding heights (energy, water, transport, banking) socialised, small/medium enterprises (restaurants, shops) function as co-ops, but participation in the world market can't be avoided, as long as imports (tea, coffee, sugar, tobacco) are needed.

9. The entire revolutionary territory is mobilised for world revolution - combination of military conflict with capitalist powers and strategic support to communists elsewhere.

Stage 3: after the victory of world revolution

10. If world revolution succeeds, then nation-states/governments are replaced by the worldwide dictatorship of the proletariat.

11. The world proletariat, unified politically and economically, embarks on the global abolition of capitalism, and the global construction of communism.

12. Dictatorship of the proletariat disappears as capitalist social relations are replaced by communism, money and markets are abolished.

Agent of the I…

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Submitted by Agent of the I… on February 25, 2026

There are some issues in your outline of revolution. First off, it seems you define the revolution as the taking of political power by the working class, following a traditional Marxist perspective. Hence, the second point in your outline, you state “Revolutionary forces succeed in overthrowing the ruling class,” whereas anarchists and syndicalists would rather define the first act of revolution as the overturning of the mode of production, replacing capitalism with some form of socialism or communism.

I think everyone agrees on the necessity for revolutionary forces to organize their own defense, but following the Marxist definition of revolution as the taking of political power, it takes the form of a “dictatorship of the proletariat,” or a “workers’ state.” The need for defense is used as a justification for a “workers’ state” in a traditional Marxist perspective, whereas as anarchists and syndicalists don’t believe the organizing of defense by the populace is the basis of a ‘state’ of any kind.

Leading into your stage 2, you state that the revolutionary territory would be “left politically and economically isolated” after defeating counterrevolutionary forces, and that the “revolutionary territory has to find some way to survive economically whilst also ensuring self defensive capabilities.” Assuming that full communism can’t be reached in the revolutionary territory, “some compromise policy must be implemented,” meaning money and markets would have to be retained, as if those are mere tools that can be used deliberately by the populace for their own benefit. If you believe as anarchists and syndicalists do, that revolution is the culmination of a long, gradual process of development and preparation by the working class, becoming socialist or communist, what sense does it make that in the course of a revolution, they don’t change the relations between themselves, instead retaining money and markets. Your stage 2 reads as justification for keeping capitalism within the territory of a “workers’ state.” After such long preparation, during the course of revolution, socialism ought to be implemented. That is how workers collectively have power over the resources in their territory, and enabled to organize their own defense. And you can’t really have a middle ground, a mixture of some socialism and money and markets coexisting.

12. Dictatorship of the proletariat disappears as capitalist social relations are replaced by communism, money and markets are abolished.

Will it disappear? Especially after the actual construction of communism is delayed to happen until the world proletariat is unified, whereas instead a “workers’ state” with money and markets in its territory is implemented. How would that even come about? As I joked in another thread, the Marxist perspective foresees a revolution to have another revolution, the actual revolution.

And Marxists wrongly attribute to anarchists the idea that revolution would be sudden, short and sweet, when it is actually the reverse. Marxists do not even address what happens in the long lead up to a revolution, because if they did, they would know that their traditional scheme of how a revolution unfolds sounds like nonsense.

adri

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Submitted by adri on February 28, 2026

Interesting thought experiment, but I'm not entirely sure if any future revolutionary situation would neatly conform to what's outlined here, though maybe in broad terms. It would probably be worth considering a revolutionary outbreak in a specific place—or on second thought it's probably best to avoid that for obvious reasons... I think one of the issues with visualizing some localized revolutionary uprising like the Paris Commune is that such an uprising would be much easier to crush today than it was for Thiers. If there were some militant uprising, then it would probably have to be larger than just a small territory (i.e. encompass a lot of people!) and also involve the desertion of a sizable number of military forces to revolutionary lines. Otherwise, it's really difficult to imagine an isolated Commune-type militant rebellion lasting for very long against modern states and weaponry.

It's probably easier to imagine non-militant protests/occupations like Chaz-Chop Seattle, which was an innocuous spectacle for the most part, though it definitely had its communistic or admirable aspects. Protests in general can also always gather steam and take new directions rather than just remaining localized or non-threatening to the ruling order, as they often have; it just depends on the particular circumstances.

It might also be worth looking at historical regime changes or the fall of past governments in terms of understanding how states can collapse, such as the Maidan Uprising/Coup. One important factor in the Maidan Uprising was that it encompassed a sizable number of pro-Maidan protesters and militants in the Western regions of Ukraine, where Russophobic sentiments were/are also the strongest (e.g. the capital Kiev itself). In that context it's not really surprising that the overthrow of the Kiev government was successful despite facing off against Yanukovych's forces. Of course there were also other factors that contributed to the collapse of the Yanukovych regime, but the sizable opposition in Kiev was likely one of the key elements. (Sorry if "there's gotta be a lot of people" is not saying much...)

Submitted by Craftwork on March 8, 2026

Agent of the International wrote:
it seems you define the revolution as the taking of political power by the working class, following a traditional Marxist perspective. Hence, the second point in your outline, you state “Revolutionary forces succeed in overthrowing the ruling class,” whereas anarchists and syndicalists would rather define the first act of revolution as the overturning of the mode of production, replacing capitalism with some form of socialism or communism.

The state is the centralised apparatus of power of capital. Following the reasoning of Bordiga, workers taking over individual workplaces won’t overthrow capitalism, the revolutionary forces have to launch an attack at the very centre of capital’s power, which is the state, and specifically its repressive apparatus of police, prisons, and armies.

Serious question: do you believe it is possible to overturn the CMP with socialism/communism within the borders of a single territory (be it a city, county, American state, or even a whole nation?)

Agent of the International wrote:I think everyone agrees on the necessity for revolutionary forces to organize their own defense, but following the Marxist definition of revolution as the taking of political power, it takes the form of a “dictatorship of the proletariat,” or a “workers’ state.” The need for defense is used as a justification for a “workers’ state” in a traditional Marxist perspective, whereas as anarchists and syndicalists don’t believe the organizing of defense by the populace is the basis of a ‘state’ of any kind.

At the bare minimum we would agree that the working class must bear arms. And I would go a step further and suggest that the working-class should also have some socialist theory of law to trial and process class-enemies in a humane manner. It should also have proper army to effectively defend and attack. And it should have an intelligence agency. Even the Makhnovists had a repressive apparatus and an intelligence agency - the Kontrrazvedka.

Agent of the International wrote:Assuming that full communism can’t be reached in the revolutionary territory, “some compromise policy must be implemented,” meaning money and markets would have to be retained, as if those are mere tools that can be used deliberately by the populace for their own benefit.

What I propose is that in the transitional period, when the working-class are in control of a single territory, but don’t yet have the strength or ability to establish full communism due to being surrounded by capitalism and hostile forces, they need to resort to some hybrid economic policy to survive. Imports are necessary for Britain, France, Germany, etc. There are very few countries that are genuinely economically self-sufficient. The hybrid economic policy that I advocate is what is commonly referred to as “market socialism” (an unfortunate term), but what it describes is the economic policy of the DotP - where the means of production are socialised, but the necessity for world trade still exists.

We can abolish priests, monarchs, landlords, individual capitalists, and politicians within a single territory, but can’t extricate ourselves from a world-market that we remain embedded in. Everything from tea, coffee, sugar, oil/gas, plastics, to computer components are imported and therefore it remains necessary to maintain some connection to the world market and preserving money/markets to survive economically.

As long as the working-class have hegemony over the territory, the DotP persists, regardless of economic constraints.

Agent of the International wrote:“Will it disappear? Especially after the actual construction of communism is delayed to happen until the world proletariat is unified, whereas instead a “workers’ state” with money and markets in its territory is implemented. How would that even come about?”

As long as the DotP can be established on a world-scale, then it can. It will be the glorious mission of the global DotP to construct socialism by expanding roads, railways, schools, hospitals, energy systems, clean water, agriculture to every part of the world and raise all of humanity to a high degree of development and consciousness in order to ensure that “every cook” can govern.

adri wrote:“If there were some militant uprising, then it would probably have to be larger than just a small territory (i.e. encompass a lot of people!) and also involve the desertion of a sizable number of military forces to revolutionary lines.”

I agree.