So, yeah. Things seem to be happening:
The 2013 Ukraine pro-European Union protests or EuroMaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан) protests in Ukraine began on the night of 21 November, 2013, when Ukrainian citizens started spontaneous protests in the capital of Kiev. On the previous day, on 21 November 2013, the Ukrainian government suspended preparations for signing an Association Agreement and Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement with the European Union. The protests are ongoing despite a heavy police presence, and an increasing number of university students are joining the protests. Law enforcement agencies, namely Berkut (a special unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs), violently and without provocation attacked peacefully protesting students and journalists in the early morning of 30 November. The escalating violence from government forces has caused the level of protests to rise, with 350-700,000 protesters demonstrating in Kiev at the movement's peak on December 1.
On December 1, Kiev District Administrative Court banned further protests in downtown Kyiv on both Independence Square and European Square, as well as in front of the Presidential Administration and Interior Ministry buildings, until 7 January 2014. Opposition forces planned the rally on the 1st to take place at St. Michael's Square, which is not among the banned rally locations, with a march towards Independence Square. During the December 1 rally, protesters followed through and defied the ban and marched form St. Michael's Square to re-take Independence Square. Protesters broke several windows in the city council building, followed by crowds spilling out of Independence Square to the Administration of President building at Bankova Street and the Cabinet building (Hrushevsky Street). People chanted "Out with the thugs" and sang the Ukrainian anthem. The opposition party Batkivshchyna claimed as much as 500,000 protesters turned out for the rallies, and opposition leader Petro Poroshenko claimed 350,000 were on Independence Square. Other news agencies reported over 100,000 in Independence Square alone. Other reports indicated 300,000 to 700,000 demonstrators.
At around 14:00, a group of protesters commandeered a bulldozer from Independence Square and attempted to pull down the fence surrounding the Presidential Administration building. People threw bricks at Berkut guards. At least three people were injured outside of the presidential administration building, receiving head injuries from flying debris. AFP reporters saw security forces outside the Presidential Administration building fire dozens of stun grenades and smoke bombs at masked demonstrators who were pelting police with stones and Molotov cocktails.
Footage from yesterday:
Generally this seems to be presented as a conflict between pro-Russia (largely conservative) and pro-EU (largely liberal) factions.
Some commentary (though can't vouch for its accuracy): Who is behind the Ukrainian protest? A letter from Lviv
subprole wrote: Even if this
This definitely one of the rudest apologies for writing bullshit claims I have ever read, but I accept it :D. Just do not write bullshit again, and I am fine with you.
Situation in Greece differs a lot from Ukraine, but Venezuela differs a lot from Ukraine as well. It is not me who tried to make these parallels, it was you.
But all things different, there is also a possibility that anti-austerity protests in Greece may turn to a certain nationalist direction which is already happening to some extent with all the "anti-troika" rhetorics, and eventually developments in Greece might be as unfortunate as they are in Ukraine.
If that happens, there will of course be many "subproles" shitting on those Greek anarchists who have attempted to make interventions to anti-austerity protests in libcom, and all over internet. I will not be one of them.
Quote: Just do not write
I wipe my ass with your feelings.
I did not draw parallels but insisted on the d i f f e r e n c e s. This is totalitarian absurdity. S2W could learn from propaganda minister Goebbels.
I would be shitting on you instead S2W.
subprole wrote: I did not
You insisted on differences between anarchist strategies (which, as it turned out, were false, and you admitted it), by driving on parallels between countries and their situations.
If there is no parallel between situations, there may not be differences between strategies.
Repressions against Crimean
Repressions against Crimean activists: political context
A musical contribution to the
A musical contribution to the debate on Ukraine (personal dedication goes to AWU comrades). :D
Nationalist ideology is
Nationalist ideology is rampant throughout the world and remains a part of most radical and leftist politics even when many of those involved honestly believe themselves to have rejected it ,so it is hardly suprising that in the current testing conditions of Ukraine this is also still the case - and that vestiges of such as appear to muddle the politics of some anarchists and anarchist groups both there and in other parts of Eastern Europe must be criticised when they appear here. I think there has been some valid criticism on those lines from internationalist posters here which is no less valid because it is made from comrades outside of the Ukraine, but 'subprole' seems to be determined on this and another thread to reduced some sensible critique ( even including some of his own!) to a simple bun fight with others such as STW who's confused ideas (including possibly some other non-committed on-line viewers) , are not benefiting from such an approach. Real 'punch-ups' are sometimes a way of working out anger and frustration at apparent dumb-ass ideas but they don't work in on-line discussions such as this.
S2W wrote: Quote: Repressions
The passages related to the explanation of the "political context" as well as the introducing remarks on the situation in Crimea are democratic garbage that could have also been published by Yulia Tymoshenko or the US embassy in Kiev and contain - as we could expect of course from an AWU parrot like >S2W/Antti Rautiainen< - more subtle pro-Ukranian nationalist state propaganda.
You, subprole, are a first
You, subprole, are a first class example of a complete fucking idiot.
Quote: You, subprole, are a
I won't waste time discussing with any infantile shrunken heads stuttering pathetic rubbish like you, solidarity.
Great, then perhaps this
Great, then perhaps this thread can get back on it's track :)
It would be amazing if there
It would be amazing if there was a thread on libcom to discuss the situation in Ukraine. I feel like it would really help me make sense of the increasingly chaotic situation there. It's a shame that instead I get pages and pages of this namecalling, cockwaving bullshit about some things some Ukrainian anarchists wrote ok the internet. Ah well.
The very big difference
The very big difference between "Indignados" and "Occupy", from one side, and Euronaidan, from the other, was the fully absence of any social demands or slogans in the second case. It was a "pro-Europa" movement orhanized by oppositional bourgeois parties or young groups. And the "anarchist" barricade here was msde jointly with new rightists "anarcho"-nazis from "Autonomous Resistance"
Something from the "political
Something from the "political experience" of AWU founder and leader Zadiraka. This article was published in a prominent anarchist bulletin "An-Press" of St/Petersbourg in 1995:
"О. SOFYANIK (Fraction of Revolutionary Anarchists of Democratic Union, Sevastopol) wrote: February 3rd (1995) a police detachment visited me in my home; it detained me and led me at first to the police station (ROVD) Nakhimovskoye of Sevastopol and later to Urban administration of Inner Affairs (GOVD), directly to it boss, Lieutenant General Beloborodov. I was interrogated about my contacts with other anarchist organizations and anarchist individuals of Crimea, Ukraine and Russia. They had an especial interest in concrete means of our activity, concretely: do you recognize an armed terror? As it turned out, the police taped a letter of Kiev anarchist Zadiraka addressed to me. He sent to me in this letter a leaflet issued not long ago by his group. It called to immediate revolutionary actions, armed struggle etc., and it was signed by “Kiev organization of Red Army Fraction (RAF)” and by “Sea Terror Section of Irish Republican Army (IRA)”. They are joking in Kiev, and I was brought in the GOVD for it! (Besides, “the order keepers” asked also, if I receive a very dangerous and subversive review “The Black Star” and if I know somebody of it receiver in Sevastopol). Of course, I rejected all things saying “I didn`t know, I didn`t see, I wasn`t here etc” and that I`m pacifist. But all in all, the Kiev friends need to think before to use and moreover to appropriate such loud names (moreover, in last time, there are in Crimea a lot of gangster clashes with several powerful bomb explosions)"
(“AN-Press”, 1995, No.53, January – February)
subprole wrote: S2W
Hey, you haven't posted any Stalinist songs for a while. Keep fighting imperialism on libcom forum and give us some more!
S2W wrote: Quote: Hey, you
...says S2W/Antti Rautianen, the left liberal upstart and famous "social network" activist who is "tweeting" for democracy in Russia 24 hours per day.
subprole wrote: S2W
I am very sorry for using social networks. It is much more revolutionary to post to libcom 24 hours per day to unmask cryptoanarchists and to commemorate past glory of the red army.
This is not a bad text, but it has the same problem with as the previous text from the same blog. The line of division is not between the East and West but inside both, especially in the East where, according to opinion polls and opinions of my contacts there, only minority supports the separatists. So even if the analysis of the class composition of Maidan and differences between capitalism in the East and West is basically right here, the situation is more complex.
I have to take back my comment on the previous "ruthlesscritique" text being "nationalistic", as that is an exaggeration, however careless attribution of subjectivity for geographical entities easily accepts nationalistic reading of the material. I really hope people would be more careful here.
I do not understand this. Maidan was just as much "democratic" protest as nationalistic one, but democratic in terms of liberal, nationalistic representative model.
This means "they had a fight with the fascists" as I guess collision might be the opposite as well, and it took place 19th of January, not 19th of February.
Hmm. Malaysian Airlines
Hmm. Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 crashes in Eastern Ukraine. Kiev govt. alleges same AA capability used to shoot down AN26 Ukrainian Airforce plane a couple of days ago to blame.
"They would say that wouldn't they". Nonetheless. Civilian plane down, 295 dead. Food for conflict hawks in Washington DC.
Guardian: Malaysia Airlines plane 'crashes in Ukraine' - live
Ukraine - "Against social
Ukraine - "Against social genocide"
July 24 in front of Ukraine parliament in Kiev, large rallies were held against the antisocial amendments to the budget for 2014. Trade unionists, civil society organizations, and ordinary people protested against the "social genocide", organized by the government and its patrons from Brussels. Participants of the rally raised banners: "Cut the oligarchs, not the people" and "Do not rob ordinary citizens." They demanded that the deputies did not accept the Government's proposed law 4308a amending the budget.
The bill, according to the chairman of the independent trade union "Solidarity Labor" Vitaly Makhinko, "significantly restricts the labor rights of Ukrainians and lead to further impoverishment of the people. Salaries in public sector are leave much to be desired yet , and owing to the novels of government, these workers will lose their the few social guarantees that they had »(http://laborunion.org.ua/?p=713). This union criticizes antisocial policies of government, which came to power on a wave of Maidan coup, and calls for a peaceful settlement of the situation in the East of Ukraine through negotiations between the warring parties.
In an atmosphere of widespread discontent, even many members of the right-wing parties stated they will refuse to vote for the controversial bill, and then Prime Minister Yatsenyuk announced his resignation, which has not yet been adopted.
Meanwhile, the actions in the framework of the campaign "Tariff Maidan" continue, which are directed against the increase in housing and communal utility tariffs. More and more people are in favor of the abolition of the new tariffs. The tariffs are already very high, but there is will be another massive price increase. In August, the Ukrainians will receive payment orders with the new cost of hot and cold water and sanitation.
July 24 protest action was held near Kiev underground station "Heroes of Dnepr". Activists handed out leaflets and invited to express their opinion on the price increases for utilities. There was a big line of people wishing to subscribe for the abolition of new tariffs. "With each passing day, more and more people are protesting against the increase of tariffs. Sharp drop in incomes, insecurity: on this background, the increase of prices of communal services almost twice causes a substantial impact on the family budget," - said one of the activists (http://laborunion . org.ua /? p = 721)
Before this, July 21, the campaign activists collected signatures against the tariff increase near the metro station "Lesnaya". The protesters handed out leaflets with information which services and how to rise in the near future (http://laborunion.org.ua/?p=708). July 17, a similar protest was held near the metro station "Chernigovskaya" under the slogan "No tariff robbery". An "open mic" was organized for anyone who wanted to express their opinion on the tariff increases and other social issues. "The housing rent will make up a half of salary. But you have also to eat, and something to drive to work and to help sick parents. And what price id to prepare the kids to school!", Olga from Kiev said, signing against raising tariffs (http://laborunion.org.ua/?p=703). July 16, similar action was carried out at the metro station "Darnitsa" (http://laborunion.org.ua/?p=700), July 15, near the metro station "Levoberezhnaya" (http://laborunion.org.ua/? p = 694). Activists promised to continue to collect signatures in other areas of Kiev. Similar protests have passed near the metro station "Kharkovskaya", "Pozniaky" and "Osokorky".
UKRAINE - PROYESTS AGAINST
UKRAINE - PROYESTS AGAINST THE WAR!
In some regions of Western Ukraine, the riots emerged against the mobilization and war in the east of the country. There are reports about various protests primarily from Bukovina and Transcarpathia. Their participants clearly state that they don`t n want to die and to kill in the name of the interests of the oligarchy and the Kiev authorities.
Riots began to break out after the July 24 the Presidential Decree of Poroshenko came in force about the third wave of mobilization in the military forces of the country to continue the war in the Eastern regions.
The habitants of small village Voloka in the Chernivtsi region received 50 call-up papers to the army, which caused the anger of local residents. The video filmed on July 24 in this village is actively spreading in social networks. Villagers actively expressed their anger and resentment against the army mobilization of his fellow villagers for the war in the so-called "anti-terrorist operation" (ATO) in the East. Mothers, wives, daughters, sisters of recruits with tear in eyes require from the government of Ukraine to stop the ATO and the mobilization.
"We do not want war, we were not looking for war. Let them go fight those who actively yelling at the Maidan. We are one village, we are one family, and we will not let any of our fight!" - Says a young resident of the village.
"They begun - let themselves resolve. We will die but we will not give our children. They must understand it and don`t come here with their call-up papers", - the old woman said.
The military commissioner came to the villagers, and after the half-hour debate, it was decided to write a collective statement to the Governor and to the Parliament. A statement was signed by almost the entire village.
Military Commissioner of local recruiting office considers that the actions of the villagers are quite justified: "It is clear that no one wants to go to the zone of ATO where hostilities are. See how the authorities will react to the collective appeal of citizens" (http://www.dialog.ua / news / 10839_1406469968)
July 25 relatives of recruits blocked the road near of the Carpathian village Korovia. Their main demand was to end the mobilization, as well as to send to war not the common people, but the sons of authorities (http://lifenews.ru/news/137304)
In the city Novoselytsa of Chernivtsi region, during a rally against the mobilization there was a fight between protesters and a member of district council Ivan Popadyuk. Corresponding video appeared on the Internet, the protest was held outside the recruiting office demanding an end to the mobilization in the region. From the council member, who came out to the protesters, most people demanded to go to war.
"Go and fight," - cried the protesters to him. During the scuffle, women grabbed the council member on the hair, beat him with hands and rolled posters. Later, the police intervened and stopped the fight (http://polemika.com.ua/news-150925.html)
Partial mobilization was suspended in Mukachevo (Transcarpathian region). Mukachevo military commissar, Colonel Alexander Moszkowski declared about it in his address to his countrymen. According to him, representatives of the military office, city authorities and the public have come to a compromise on the problems of partial mobilization in Transcarpathia. Military Commissioner assured that nobody was and will be sent in the zone of ATO in the near future. Moreover, according to the Commissioner, during the third wave of mobilization none of Mukachevo habitants was drafted into the Ukrainian army.
Note that in Mukachevo there were mass protests against the mobilization. In particular, the residents of Transcarpathia blocked the road with the requirement not to send their sons and husbands in the area of ATO (http://polemika.com.ua/news-150910.html)
Source - http://www.aitrus.info/node/3875
Neither Ukrainian nor
Neither Ukrainian nor Russian! – Let’s develop our own camp, the third camp, that of social revolution!
PATRIOTIC PSEUDO-"ANARCHIST" FROM KIEV HAS A SINGLE HOPE: NATO`S AID
Frank writings of AWU leader Zadiraka
"... NATO could provide tanks, helicopters and battleplanes to more Russians return to home... The NATO countries, for example USA and Britain, should organize supplies of good useful weapon as in the lend-lease time... (It is necessary) to defend the peace in Europe. The more Russian "loads 200" (the coded notation of transports with dead bodies of soldiers in the Russian army, - transl.), the more lasting peace in Europe... Isn`t Russian Federation the threat to peace in Europe?... This method worked good before 1945. The more Russian mercenaries and soldiers of invasion army will be killed, the more quick Russia will became conscious. They in Russia like to be killed... For the world, it would be better without Russia... After the war, there will no longer be either Russian Federation or Ukraine. Feel sorry for Ukraine and Russia, but it is obviously the only way to save the world from Russian fascist idiotism... It is no Ukraine who begun this war -- it was Russia who wanted "to save himself from NATO bases"... The peace-makers vultures who hypocritical "pity" the victim of aggression are more abominable than warmongers... There is no conflict between the East and the Center in Ukraine. It is for a long time already only the pure fascist intervention of Russia... There was a denazification (after the WW2, - transl.), and Russia is needed the same procedure... The only warmonger is Russia. If you want to stop it, you must kill the Scumbag (abusive designation for Putin, - transl.)" (https://www.facebook.com/volodimir.zadiraka/posts/766292013409541)
Independent.ie: 'Darth Vader'
Independent.ie: 'Darth Vader' goes to polls in Ukraine and wants to turn state into 'galactic empire'
Are those the same guys who
Are those the same guys who raided tobacco shops they thought were fronts for drug dealers?