Syriza as an enemy of the Proletariat

Are you in contact with the Dutch section of your network (srbeweging.wordpress.com)? Because all their texts sound like machine translations

The text is clipped left and right but still readable and has a sound political analysis not uncommon to this site but still a welcome addition.

Maybe this will be of some interest for you:
http://libcom.org/news/syriza-podemos-left-front…-may-capital’s-far-left-die-02082015

I agree with your opinion of Syriza.

But I am not happy with what seems to be your strategy for dealing with bourgeois regimes. Theise regimes are not going suddenly to fall apart one fine day. They have to be eaten away at and dismantled bit by bit.

One of the bits we can work away at is their international solidarity. The capitalist states stick together and come galloping up to help any local bourgeoisie in trouble.

I think nationalism is one way of breaking up their cosy system. Use national sentiment to get rid of the euro, the EU, NATO and their many open and secret treaties.

Then, hopefully without foreign interference, whittle away the local bourgeois establishment.

I think nationalism is one way of breaking up their cosy system. Use national sentiment to get rid of the euro, the EU, NATO and their many open and secret treaties.

But that leads you right into the hands, and pockets of Le Pen, the UKIP, ANEL (if not Golden Dawn) etc. etc. International class struggle, eschewing all "national sentiment," distinguishing that class struggle from and in opposition to the reactionary nature of nationalism is the way to overthrowing, not just breaking up, the "cozy system."

S. Artesian

But that leads you right into the hands, and pockets of Le Pen, the UKIP, ANEL (if not Golden Dawn) etc. etc.

And even if it doesn't go that far it, at the very least, leads into the idea that workers and bosses in a particular state have a shared interest - an interest defined in opposition to the interests of states.

That's not internationalism, that's not solidarity, and it's no way forward for the workers' movement.

Maclane Horton #6
‘The capitalist states stick together and come galloping up to help any local bourgeoisie in trouble.’

This is not generally the history of capitalism. The capitalist states view each other as rivals.
At present the USA and its ‘friend’ Saudi Arabia are locked in a battle over their respective share of the oil market. As a result it was recently reported that the Saudi royal family are planning to sell off a large chunk of their oil assets and the USA, having laid off ninety thousand workers in their industry, have now lifted their long standing embargo on exporting oil.
Capitalism drives each state to dominate all rivals, so the alliances are transient. Look at the pit of snakes called the EU.

The proletariat have become the new infantry of Syriza, the new ruling puppets of Greek national capitalism.

Read this in the text referred to originally. I'll leave readers to make up their own minds.

The proletariat have become the new infantry of Syriza

We are the infantry soldiers of our employers and 'our' state. Nothing new here.

Syriza, the new ruling puppets of Greek national capitalism.

True.

"Then, hopefully without foreign interference" (Maclane Horton)????!!!! If you believe countries that shun formal alliances or quasi-federal/confederal relations are less subject to interference by other countries/ alliances/corporations then you are severely misguided. I'm no fan of the institutions of the European Union but the liberal belief in 'open markets and open borders' is a blessing for the exchange of information and participation in mutual actions across Europe. If you want to drive movements underground and make information infinitely harder to get, just divide Europe back into hard states again. The repressive state apparatuses would consider it a blessing to be free of the inquiring eyes of the international media, and it almost goes without saying that the exchange of information through the internet would become more restricted. All of which allows powerful interests, state and state-corporate, more freedom to interfere in individual national societies than at present, which is bad enough.

Sometimes I sort-of like nationalisms which disturb (or threaten to disturb) the status-quo, but not if it leads to national isolation. If it genuinely appeared that Scotland or Catalunya would be left stranded outside the EU after a positive vote I would oppose their secessions - the workers would be isolated while the bourgoisie would have a retaliatory field-day - it would be them whittling away the workers, not the other way round.

Maclane in post no6 put's forward a view that still retains some sympathy amongst a minority of the capitalist political left in for instance those elements sticking to a vote NO tactic in the forthcoming UK wide referendum on EU membership whilst others reacting to the ever present little englander nationalism promoted by such as UKIP have opted for a YES vote. In recent decades there was a shift towards support for an alternative left-leaning anti-globalisation movement that still recognised the dangers of nationalism and a recognition that global problems such as inequality, poverty and environmental destruction required global solutions. The failure of that movement to embed a clear anti-capital/anti-market and anti-state basis in the analysis and common understanding of it's varied constituent elements, faced with the dire consequences of the 2008 global economic crisis left it isolated from any practical working class influence. This in turn has opened the door to other right-wing and nationalist influences and tempted some to resurrect and re-juvinate it's version of left-wing national liberation as the necessary tactical response, hoping in vane that the breakup of the current international order as represented by the WTO, IMF, WB, NATO, EU etc and a reversion to some form of national autarky might provide the pre-conditions for the subsequent utopia of a mutual solidarity of 'sovereign peoples'. This scenario painted for instance by the otherwise insightful but cult-like figure of Takis Fotopoulos is surely just borne of despair at the current fragmented and disorganised response from the international collective worker and an overblown confidence in the ability of political vanguards and intellectual elites to somehow guide the masses through a hoped for temporary nationalist frenzy into a common world citizenship! Flirting with nationalism is always a danger best avoided.