Fascist antifascism

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Aug 28 2014 15:54
Fascist antifascism

It seems like it is a fascist method to try and smuggle their ideology to people under the guise of being something other than what it really is. But this has gone too far.

Around the Ukraine conflict, we have seen the emergence of "antifascist" movements, which are full of nationalists and fascists. Now there will be a conference starting in Yalta tomorrow which will also form the "Anti-fascist Council of the Russian Federation". However, the people behind this shit are actually fascists.

Leaders of this initiative include Polish fash Mateusz Piskorski (Samoobrona) and Bartosz Bekier of Falanga.
Other foreign participants include:
Frank Creyelman (Vlaams Belang, Belgium)
Luc Michel (Parti Communautaire National-Européen, Belgium)
Pavel Chernev (Ataka, Bulgaria)
Angel Djambazki ( Bulgarsko Natsionalno Dvizhenie, Bulgaria)
Erkki Johan Bäckman ( Finland)
Márton Gyöngyösi (Jobbik, Hungary)
Giovanni Maria Camillacci ( Lega Nord, Italy)
Roberto Fiore ( Forza Nuova, Italy)
Konrad Rękas (Samooborona, Konserwatyzm.pl, Poland)
Nick Griffin (British National Party, UK)

From the Russian side, not much better. Some leaders of separatists who have a nationalist, far-right past.

Despite the fact that it should seem clear that the separatist forces are not really antifascists, there have been disturbing cases of support for them from authoritarian leftist "antifa" in different countries in Europe, which have been spreading misinformation about the nature of struggles in Ukraine and trying to recruit anti-fascists to go to the Donbass and other regions. This needs to be exposed.

In Poland the long-term querfront of fascists like Piskorski and leftists also is a disgraceful issue.

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Aug 28 2014 15:58

Are antifa authoritarian leftists?

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Aug 28 2014 16:28
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Are antifa authoritarian leftists?

In some countries there definitely is an element (at least) that are. In Italy, I'd say a large proportion of Antifa (and social centres more generally) are Leninists of one sort or another.. related to the OP Banda Bassoti, a famous (within Italy) left-wing Ska Punk band, is organising a tour in the Donbass region of Ukraine to support the 'anti-fascist' 'people's militia' against the fascist Ukraine government..

Here's an English version of their call-out:

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Everywhere in Europe you won't hear any information about what the fascist government in Kiev is doing in Donbass and in Ukraine. Italian and European press are totally subdued by European Union and United States.
No news on bombing civilians, on persecution of Russians, communists and anybody who appears to be a partisan of the popular Militia; not a word on the fact that the “European” Ukraine is the biggest Workshop of International neo-nazism.
We are tired of all that and, with Novarossjian popular Militia, we are organising a fund rising antifascist Expedition.
We will bringing our antifascist solidarity to Donbass territory with a concert.
As previously done in 1984 in Nicaragua, in 1994 in Salvador, in 2004 in Palestine we are now ready for another journey.
From 26th until 30th September 2014 we will be in that lands who are resisting Nazis attacks. We will visit Novarossija. Our programme is to set up a concert in Rostov on Don, the city who shelters a huge refugee camp, and one in Novarosija.

Akai, have you got any links for the 'Anti-fascist' gathering they're having? Some interesting names and groups on there, including obviously Jobbik and Roberto Fiore of Forza Nuova, two outright nazi groups.. I suppose they'd back the pro-Russia side as an anti-EU move?

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Aug 28 2014 17:48

What these "antiifascists" are doing is criminal. Unfortunately I am afraid that it is partly that they are misinformed, especially by their Marxist-Leninist colleagues who mostly are up to their neck in brown politics. Why I say it is criminal is because they are trying to get young kids who wanna fight something to go fight alongside nationalists and risk getting themselves killed for a false cause.

I personally have been very critical of what is going on in Ukraine and a lot of the pro-Maidan stuff, but just because somebody is against the EU or NATO does not mean they should jump in bed with fascists. Everybody who is cooperating with this or these people should be outed as dangerous fucks.

There are lots of articles, let's see.

http://belsat.eu/pl/wiadomosci/a,21604,w-jalcie-spotkaja-sie-rosyjscy-polscy-i-europejscy-nacjonalisci-zeby-stworzyc-antyfaszystowski-majdan.html?fb_action_ids=711937482208064&fb_action_types=og.comments

http://vesti.ua/krym/67255-strelkov-i-borodaj-edut-v-jaltu-sozdavat-antifashistskij-sovet

I'm really pissed at this stuff and pissed off at the collaborators with these shits like Piskorski in Poland, posing as leaders of leftist and syndicalist groups.

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Aug 28 2014 18:43
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Kureigo-San wrote:
Are antifa authoritarian leftists?

In some countries there definitely is an element (at least) that are. In Italy, I'd say a large proportion of Antifa (and social centres more generally) are Leninists of one sort or another..

Anti-fascism was official state doctrine of the GDR and much of the Eastern Bloc (the Berlin Wall was called the "Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart" for example - according to SED doctrine, fascism was still alive and kicking in West Germany), so it's not surprising if you see loads of Stalinists at antifa rallies around here*. I don't know what the situation in the Ukraine is, but I can fathom something similar is happening there.

*Anti-fascism in post-cold war Germany is peculiar anyway. In some places it's become a mass sport even liberals and apolitical people participate in, with colorful flags and mayors speaking at rock against racism festivals. In a way it's continuing the post-WWII ideology of Hitler and the Nazi being an outside aggressor that drove the innocent German people to war.

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Aug 28 2014 20:25
akai wrote:
There are lots of articles, let's see.

Cheers for those, akai. I found similar ones as well, which all mention the Jobbik guy and 'other nationalists'.. found this article on the blog of some academic specialising in the far-right with the list that you've put up above though.. I don't suppose you've heard anything more in particular about Roberto Fiore and Giovanni Maria Camillacci, have you? Or any other Italians for that matter..

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Aug 29 2014 06:05

No, I haven't but I know that these bozos are networked. There are lots of articles on Fiore in Polish and he also has long standing ties wth NOP fascists. But about Russia and Ukraine there was only this a couple of months ago: http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2014/06/polish-fascists-are-joining-pro-russian.html

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Aug 29 2014 07:37

Polish fascists (and perhaps other fascists too) are divided on this. NOP and "autonomist nationalists" supports Maidan (NOP cooperate with Ukrainian neonazi Svoboda Party). Another faction is pro-Russian or pro-separatist.

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Sep 14 2014 10:56

About this conference, we can send loud jeers to "socialist" attendees:

Richard Brenner (Workers Power)
Alan Freeman (Socialist Action)
Boris Kagalitsky (Kremlin in disguise)

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Sep 14 2014 11:48
akai wrote:
About this conference, we can send loud jeers to "socialist" attendees:

Richard Brenner (Workers Power)

Alan Freeman (Socialist Action)
Boris Kagalitsky (Kremlin in disguise)

Do you have a source on this? PM me if you want.

~J.

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Sep 14 2014 12:51

So hold on, Richard Brenner is going to a conference with Nick Griffin?! Even for him that is pretty low…

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Sep 15 2014 22:45

More info from that Anton Shekhovtsov bloke:
Boris Kagarlitsky, a Kremlin's mole in the leftist movement (updated)

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Deluded British leftists like to invite Russian allegedly left-wing publicist Boris Kagarlitsky of the Institute for Globalization Studies and Social Movements to take part in their events.

On 2 June this year, he joined, via Skype, the founding meeting of the "Solidarity with the Antifascist Resistance in Ukraine" that was attended by Richard Brenner, Lindsey German (Counterfire), Andrew Murray (Communist Party of Great Britain), Alan Woods (International Marxist Tendency) and Sergei Kirichuk (Borotba).
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Kagarlitsky (and Richard Brenner) also took part in the conference "The world crisis and the conflict in Ukraine" held in annexed Yalta on 6-7 July 2014 and co-organised by his Institute for Globalization Studies and Social Movements. Other co-organisers of this conference - the ultranationalist "Novaya Rus" (New Russia) headed by Aleksey Anpilogov - held a second conference titled "Russia, Ukraine, New Russia: global problems and challenges", to which they invited international fascists such as Frank Creyelman (Vlaams Belang), Luc Michel (Parti Communautaire National-Européen), Márton Gyöngyösi (Jobbik), Roberto Fiore (Forza Nuova), Mateusz Piskorski (Samooborona) and Nick Griffin (British National Party). (Only Piskorski and Fiore, however, were able to come.)

And here is a photograph that features Kagarlitsky in a company of Russian fascists: Aleksey Belyaev-Gintovt (prominent member of Aleksandr Dugin's International Eurasian Movement), Yevgeniy Zhilin (militant extreme right Oplot group), Konstantin Krylov (far right "Russian Social Movement - Russia") and Yegor Kholmogorov.

Edit to add: obviously other people who know more about the ins and outs of Russian fascism will have to confirm.. like, the pic above could just be him and some burly looking blokes, i don't know.. but the blogger seems like he knows his stuff so I'm inclined to believe him..

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Sep 16 2014 01:47

What a grim looking bunch. Probably fascists.

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Sep 17 2014 02:58

This seems like a sensible article on connections between Russian far rightists and the pro-Russians militias: http://www.socialistproject.org/international/the-russian-far-right/ It points to http://www.sova-center.ru/en/ Does anybody know more about that Sova center?

edit: last question already answered. On the sponsors list I see the usual pro-Western NGO crowd who usually take a pro-Maidan/ andi-Donetjs line. The site may still be useful but should be used with care.

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Sep 17 2014 09:03

This article is not bad to orient people as to what is happening. Only for me it is a little wishy-washy, sort of starting from the incorrect idea that the separatists are anti-fascists and confronting that idea. But I think not far enough. I thiink it is also important to examine how "anti-fascism" as an idea can be totally co-opted into the state/nationalist milieu. What I am seeing in some places is how people take this label at face value and are completely deceived by their lack of knowledge of how this term can be used. The other label that tricks people is "left". People should know that in many places in E. Europe and especially the former Soviet Union the "left" is really a great big melting pot and includes very unsavoury characters.

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Sep 17 2014 18:43
Ed wrote:
like, the pic above could just be him and some burly looking blokes, i don't know.. but the blogger seems like he knows his stuff so I'm inclined to believe him..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1525635867650029&set=a.1379522135594737.1073741827.100006108909633&type=1&permPage=1

though this is much funnier imo
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1527891867424429&set=a.1379522135594737.1073741827.100006108909633&type=1&permPage=1

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. but the blogger seems like he knows his stuff so I'm inclined to believe him..

The blogger seems like he had someone take a photo of him with a EU flag- forming a halo above him- in the midst of gawking and then posted it as a profile picture on his blogspot account

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Sep 17 2014 19:16
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This article is not bad to orient people as to what is happening. Only for me it is a little wishy-washy, sort of starting from the incorrect idea that the separatists are anti-fascists and confronting that idea. But I think not far enough.

Anti-fascism was Soviet imperialism defending itself against German aggression. This anti-fascism is Russian imperialism defending itself against German aggression (And Ukrainian imperialism- which also considers itself a successor state to the USSR- has its own anti-fascism: see any NYC based upper class aristocracy/intelligentsia rag on this war for examples: New Yorker, NYRB, etc). Allying with any/all pro-democracy forces in Germany's periphery is part of this strategy. Eurasianist fascists (or anti-Oceania fascists is more accurate) just sense which way the wind is currently blowing: an economic & political debacle in the EU. Similarly the fascist Chiang-Kai-Shek was build up by the Soviet Union and during the war against Japanese fascism his forces were allied with Soviet and Chinese Bolshevik forces.

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The other label that tricks people is "left". People should know that in many places in E. Europe and especially the former Soviet Union the "left" is really a great big melting pot and includes very unsavoury characters.[

And where and when is/was this not the case?

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Sep 30 2014 20:07

Banda Bassotti being fucking idiots and doing the 'anti-fascist' caravan in Ukraine. Anyone know what the black, blue and red flag with the Russian writing on it is? I think the others are Russian Communist Party..

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Oct 1 2014 13:52

You are probably referring to the Donbass People's Republic flag.

Well, this is crap, the so-called "anti-fascists" supporting things with such heavy fascist involvement.
Maybe some of these people are just ignorant of this or don't want to believe.

In other places it is much worse as far as this is concerned. In Poland there are various leftists supporting this DPR and doing this together with fascists. And in this situation, there can be absolutely no claiming that people are not aware that they are together with fascists, on demos called called by far-right groups.

Like this guy (IP), who goes and speaks at such a rally, shown on Russian TV as propaganda for Putin. He knows damn well who everybody around him (Falangists,far-right populists, eurasianists) is but like the rest of the leftist scum who get involved with this, is trying to convince people it is normal and only some weird antifascists have a problem.

http://cia.media.pl/nowak_bekier_piskorski_etc
http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,opage,7,title,Prorosyjski-protest-przed-ambasada-Ukrainy-w-Warszawie,wid,16833438,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1138b7

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Oct 4 2014 19:18

I was reading this story from BBC and noticed the DNR flag [second image down in the article]. The knotwork symbol looks a lot like the Russian National Unity emblem, but appears to be stylized somewhat differently. Anyone know what the symbol is referencing?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29480628

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Oct 5 2014 07:42

Russian National Unity's symbol is a bladed swastika. This flag looks somewhat similar, but with a lot of Ukrainian folk elements, hard to see and tell.

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Mar 19 2018 15:23

And then supposedly at the other end of the political spectrum and on the pro-Ukrainian state side of the now advanced conflict there we have the weird Ukrainian NIHILIST anarchists urging anarchists and others to join up with anti-Russian militias and the official Ukrainian army!

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Mar 19 2018 15:35

The 2014 meeting is mentioned here too now: https://libcom.org/library/investigation-red-brown-alliances-third-positionism-russia-ukraine-syria-western-left (more before and after this paragraph):

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In early June 2014, Kagarlitsky was present through Skype at the founding conference of the “Solidarity with the Antifascist Resistance in Ukraine” [archive], which was also attended by Richard Brenner from Workers’ Power (a British Trotskyist group which was dissolved and merged into the Labour Party in September 2015), Lindsey German from Counterfire, Alan Woods from Socialist Appeal and the International Marxist Tendency, and Sergey Kirchuk from Borotba (see below). In August 2014, Kagarlitsky was hosted by the UK-based Stop The War Coalition together with Tariq Ali and Lindsey German [archive].