Things leftists say that you hate hearing all of the time

Hi Pearsy

Welcome to libcom! There's a shit ton of stuff in there that I'd disagree with but on the other hand I do appreciate the cathartic nature of having a good rant. :)

Pearsy, do you have a friend called THE OUTLAW?

Not sure I'm posting in the right thread but decepticons or autobots, which is superior?

Taking bets on how long it'll take Pearsy to get banned. Who's in?

Just have a look at the posting guidelines:
http://libcom.org/notes/content-guidelines/forums-posting-guidelines

Particularly this -
ANY KIND of oppressive, sexist, racist, unreasonable personal abuse, discrimination etc. is not allowed and threads will be removed and offenders banned.

When did i say anything offensive to any other member?

I didn't say that you did, just merely pointed out the posting guidelines.

Pearsy

I really wish I hadn't bothered to be honest.

There was another poster who sounded a bit like you have and ended up getting banned. It's a joke that isn't that funny and I shouldn't have made it about a new poster. I apologise and I can assure you that if you genuinely want to learn about anarchism or communism this is actually a very good place to do that.

I talk to colleagues or my mates they will never get on board with this kind of hyper snobby, ultra sensitive thing you guys have got going on.

I disagree with quite a few things that you have said and I don't think that it's being hyper sensitive, as a few people have said you feel angry, and just about every political movement wants to exploit that anger and channel it somewhere. So whether it's UKIP, BNP, LAbour Conservatives Greens or whoever they are trying to turn that anger onto their enemy and gain power from having control over your anger.
Communism and anarchism is different (or should be) it is not about chanelling that anger, it is about recognising the system that creates it and destroying that system. So for example if you hate your job it's not because your boss is an arsehole (although he amost certainly is) it's because of the fact that jobs are designed to make you feel alienated to make you easier to control. In the same way as a society that destroys and hinders personal relationships and leaves you feeling powerless can then tell you that the problem is not that you are not treated like a human being, but that gays are undermining your manhood, or that women are all whores and gold diggers, or that foreigners are driving down wages and stealing jobs.

So although a few people have stated disagreements with what you've said, we know where you're coming from because we've been there, we don't have all the answers but there are a lot of answers to be found here. I'm sorry for being one of the ones to tke the piss, that's not what this board and communism are about, so please stick aroind for some of the good stuff. (Incidentally this is a bit of a joke thread, so you'll get more sense on other threads. There was a sub-forum for jokes before, but it got shut down for being crappy)

Yeah, I do make the effort to give new posters some slack and I know, Pearsy, you mentioned you have some personal stuff going on.

That said, some of your stuff does seem pretty intentionally inflammatory. I mean, going on about how anarchists are too sensitive about race, defending the use of the word "faggot", and that remark about "banditry" (yeah, I get the allusion). And then this:

" if you lie to get a woman into bed thats rape"

Is that really something you hear very regularly and, if so, how are you getting into those conversations so often?

That, combined with your little avatar pic, and this does begin to feel like a bit of wind-up.

I should also say that I do think there's some worthwhile points to be made in relation to things like language and activist subcultural ghettos:

I like rap and other music that objectifies women, I like normal human stuff, I like dumb films that glamorise all kinds of behaviour.

My partner is very much on the reclaim the word "cunt" side of things, for example. But man, there's a way to raise things and I think you'll find that if you've gotten peoples' backs up, it's the way you've approached these topics so flippantly.

As for the picture it is julie cash, My favorite pornstar and the Avatar I use on all forums. Why does that even bother you or factor into your judgement of someone? And why would it bother you in the slightest?

Now, ya see, that's exactly why it feels like a wind-up.

I have no problem with porn* and it's fine that you have a favorite porn star.

However, why do you think that's a particularly appropriate avatar for a political forum? Forums, anarchism, and anarchist forums are known for being male-dominated and macho. I don't think having half-dressed women popping up on the screen is particularly going to discourage that environment or encourage more female posters.

This is not anyone oppressing you, it's just a matter of trying to create a more welcoming environment. Again, it's not what you say (well, sometimes it is) but more how you say it.

*well, okay, not no problem. But in the abstract, I don't have problem with humans watching other humans in sexual way on film.

Anarchism, as it stands now, is a bit of a boys club. Well, a lot of a boys club actually which often feels like a macho dick-measuring competition. And some of us women get a little bit pissed off with that. And I don't honestly care if you have a favourite porn star, or if you have a vast collection , nor do I care that people enjoy porn, but a porn star avi is not necessarily the first thing I would think of as appropriate for a political site. If it was, I'd post up one of my favourite Robert Mapplethorpe cock shots.

I posted up the guidelines because you were straying perilously close to breaking the guidelines with the language you were using. This is not reddit, people who post here are expected not to use language which is offensive. ie retarded, faggot, etc. Believe it or not, working class people are gay, have disabilities, have been raped too. It's not just overly sensitive, politically correct libcom posters who can get offended. And no amount of working class credentials exempts you from behaving in a non-offensive way.

Best wishes,
one of libcom's resident feminazis.

What I would say, right off the bat, is that your "just get the fuck over it" attitude is basically classically patriarchal.

I mean, it may not bother you to hear or use words like "faggot" or "retard" or "feminazi", but it will bother others. You seem to relish in using these offensive words and I'm not sure why.

I'll address this point:

Right but they are flippantly approached in the real world, most of the world being comprised of working people, why would you need to moan at people for adressing them as such?

Can I ask and I am being genuinely interested and positively trying to engage here, do you moan at your mates and coworkers and all the workers you know for saying faggot to ach other as friends, or act like people in your family who like a comedian who makes jokes about retarded people are cunts?

There's a big difference between how I interact with my workmates and how I interact with other self-professed anarchists. I have two very different sets of expectations for their behaviour - and I expect anarchists to make the effort to not use offensive language and to try and combat any internal offensive attitudes they may have inherited from the wider culture (and I include myself in this category).

You're right that many times I'll ignore a workmate if they use the term "gay" (probably not "faggot" though, I'd just ask them not to use it around me) as my main focus when engaging with my workmates is to either get through the day without losing my mind,or to organise.

That said, I do want to organise with my workmates and, when the time comes, I do hope organising opens up the space for deeper political conversations about things like feminism or homophobia.

I think you're right that a lot of anarchists get that ass-backwards and try to do the politics before the organising, but that doesn't mean that trying to change ideas or attitudes isn't worthwhile activity.

Crossposted with Fleur who yet again wins a libcom thread with this little line:

If it was, I'd post up one of my favourite Robert Mapplethorpe cock shots.

And, yes, I did just do a google search.

Anyway, I'm going to really try my best to bow out of this thread.

Pearsy, I'd recommend you do the same. Seriously, come back tomorrow, re-read this. Tempers will have cooled by then and perhaps you can raise these points (and you've made some worthwhile one) in new threads.

Have you been here before, because it's all sounding a bit same old, same old?
http://libcom.org/forums/theory/trigger-warning-22082013
And if this is true

I support the working class, including gay men and women, people with mental helath issues and all other subgroups

then maybe you should try growing up and expanding your vocabulary to use words that the people who you say you support don't find offensive.

Aight, now I'm gonna call for Pearsy to be banned. Fuck him; he's just trolling.

Pearsy

In public, with mates, with family, with colleagues, they class me as this ultra lefty sensitive fun spoiling white knight. So if i am seen as macho or offensive on here I have no idea how you will ever talk to most regular people.

Yeah but we all just talk differently and are seen differently in different groups of people.. there's nothing special about that.. and a significant chunk of working class people might have some racist ideas, doesn't mean that I'm gonna start using racist words just coz that's what people do.. like, you say you'll never stop saying 'faggot'.. just out of interest, do you say 'nigger'? Similar structure those two words have if it's just the sound you like.. Also, soundwise 'paki' has a lot in common with 'cunt'; I use 'cunt' a lot, I never use 'paki'.. how come?

This doesn't mean I never hang around people who use or have used some of these words (well, not the racist ones, but homophobic and sexist ones, yeah).. and I don't jump down their throat every time they do it just coz I don't think it's that useful.. but I don't use them either, especially if I'm around people I don't know coz how the fuck do I know what they've been through? Or the hundreds of thousands of people who read this site every month, how do you know none of them's had their head kicked in while being called a faggot and would prefer not to hear it in a place they think they can avoid it (like, for instance, a website dedicated to radical politics)? It's not about 'opposing free speech' or 'the right not to be offended', or anything to do with human rights at all.. it's about not acting like a nob and just being a little bit considerate..

And it's cool that among your mates you're the over-sensitive lefty; I empathise, that's been me as well.. and I've also been accused of sexist and homophobic behaviour in an anarchist group I was in but the thing is, even if that kind of behaviour is acceptable in the contexts we come from, it might still be shit and it's still worth questioning your own behaviour (even if it's better than the behaviour of people who you've already said have shit behaviour!)..

Anyway, this is a long post and I'm tired and rambling. I'm basically just hoping (maybe naively) that you're not just here to take the piss..

then how far removed mentally are you from people who burn books

GODWIN'S LAW!
I called it first!

Pearsy, you're coming off as a petulant child. If you're 14 could understand where you're coming from, but I think you're a bit older...

fuck off and die Pearsy you're nothing but a reactionary troll

Edit: guess i didn't post my previous post at all :( it was way better than this one

Most working class people will tell dickheads they disagree with to shut up from time to time, too.

Well, I think it is safe to say that Pearsy-bot 1.0 has failed the Turing Test.

Kind of a disappointment. Until the next update is released, I suggest y'all leave it alone.

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Pearsy

I am already an Anarchist and have been pretty much since I started working. And not once did I say women were all whores or gay men threaten me or any of the things you brought up. Nor am I too stupid to decide what to hate and why.

What it boils down to is that this little clique of radicals have their opinions on what is offensive and what is oppressive and if you simply post anything with an attitude, or language or a point of view you disagree with you are calling for a fellow worker to be banned, or you are ganging up to ridicule and drown their opinion out.

Why can you not just let other people have an opinion as a worker and an Anarchist without treating them like a simpleton. Why can't they hold views you find oppressive or offensive or sexist, should workers only unite if they have 100% in common as far as their morals and humor etc?
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My mate had a picture of Lucy Pinder as his profile picture on his Iphone and one of them completely acted like a rude cunt to him. Its like you wither 100% adhere to my own beliefs nd moral outrage or you are reactionary and thus not a part of the movement.

The Irony is both me and my mate work and none of them did, yet they felt morally compelled to treat workers and workers who are interested in organising and class stuggle no less, like complete shit.

My favorite comedians tell suicide and rape jokes and fat jokes(louis ck, Jack Dee, Tosh, Amy S, Doug Stanhope), I like rap and other music that objectifies women, I like normal human stuff, I like dumb films that glamorise all kinds of behaviour.

Why can't Anarchists just let people behve how they want and have their own humor and tastes and attitudes and just focus on building a real movement with each other and fighting real problems and wrongs rther than just shouting at other workers for laughing at daniel tosh or using the word fag to banter with their mate.

It just seems pointless as most workers do use slurs and do listen to stuff you find reactionary, so unless you think you can take control of the means of production with the few hundred people on libcom, then you might want to be a bit more inclusive.

OK, now it's pretty obvious you're a troll but it's raining on my day off so I'm going to make the effort again on the off chance.

I used examples of how capitalism creates hate, I wasn't accusing you of having those particular prejudices.

You are not being criticised as a worker, you are being criticised for using sexist and homophobic words, which is a bad sign, and then making outright misogynistic statements, which is unequivocally bad.

No one gives a shit if you watch porn, so why do you feel the need to tell us and use a porn star in your avatar. What does porn say about who you are that you use it to identify yourself?

Now using offensive words is just impolite and unnecessary. I have argued for the freedom to use various words and that they are meaningless, however instead of asking "Why should I stop saying this word?" I started asking myself "Why do I need to say this word?" If using the word cunt can offend a comrade who I respect then why continue to use it? What is so important about my needing to use the word that overrides everything else? Looked at it this way, it isn't hard to see that basic solidarity says that you shouldn't use words that will offend people. Now there are things I do not respect and I will not respect, for example religion, however I recognise that some people have these beliefs so while I will question them I will not insult a person for having them. I will obejct to those beliefs being used against others, so while I don't give a shit if you think faggot is a fun word or not, if you use it then I will call you on it because it is offensive to me as a human being as well as being directly oppressive to homosexual comrades (I am personally not a fan of the word queer, but if people are happy to use it then I am)

Furthermore you then need to ask yourself, if watching porn is such a large part of your identity, if saying the word faggot is so essential to you, then are you happy with that? I've called quite a few anarchists out for showing contempt to the working class, however just because working class people can be racist, sexist or homophobic, or religious, tall, have bad breath, it doesn't mean that those things have any value. Let's say workers die on average fifteen years earlier than their bosses, does that mean we should be proud of shorter life spans? Who are you, and who do you want to be? I've gone to a bit of effort to look at the prejudices that I have and try to get rid of them, I see that as a good thing. Being sexist isn't a part of who I am that I think is worth keeping. In fact I stil think I am more likely to interrupt a woman than a man, even though I have lots of female friend and I'm considered someone that is good to talk to and who actually listens. So while I wouldn't be happy to be called out on this, it's out of embarassment and frustration that I am not quite acting how I want to. I am proud of a lot of things about myself, but residual sexism is not one of them and it's not due to people being overly sensitive, it's due to me doing something I don't actually agree with.

Banter between friends is one thing, but it is exclusive. And to be honest nearly every single time I have heard someone use this word it is to defend being racist, sexist, homophobic.. it is used to criticise people for being offended by something and to make that into their problem. So if I make a joke about gas chambers it isn't my fault for being insensitive, it is the fault of my jewish friend who just can't take a joke, after all it was only his extended family that were wiped out. And you don't have to be from whichever group it is to be offended, making the jew the but of a holocaust joke is not something to be taken lightly and quite frankly it's your fault if someone is offended. Now we all know how funny it is to see people get kicked in the nuts, but if I run up to a guy and kick him in the balls then it is my fault if he beats the shit out of me. No one would say that he didn't understand banter or was overly sensitive. Now you can make jokes about very dark subjects, I personally have a very dark sense of humour, but if you make the victims of something the butt of your joke then you are not joking about the subject you are joining in, in a small and pathetic sense, with something shitty.

Now I deeply dislike people using language and offence to try to shut other people down, however I have seen this very few times in my life. I see racist, sexist, homophobic, classist and all other kinds of prejudices being used to this effect every day repeatedly. If that becomes a problem then we should deal with it, but it isn't right now. If people call you out for this it is because they expect more from you, not because they are picking on you for being working class.

Even if you are a troll I think that was worth writing.

Even if you are a troll I think that was worth writing.

Agreed. This bit is especially well-put:

Now we all know how funny it is to see people get kicked in the nuts, but if I run up to a guy and kick him in the balls then it is my fault if he beats the shit out of me. No one would say that he didn't understand banter or was overly sensitive. Now you can make jokes about very dark subjects, I personally have a very dark sense of humour, but if you make the victims of something the butt of your joke then you are not joking about the subject you are joining in, in a small and pathetic sense, with something shitty.

That said, last night I was on the verge of offering 2-1 odds that Pearsy would get banned by the time I woke up this morning. I restrained and instead had to wake up the revelation that the libcom admins are the jailers of the joke.

Oh well, live and learn I guess...

The ironic thing here Pearsy is that you started ranting about liberals but it soon became clear hat you are really one of the worst type of liberals, namely the individualist that put his own personal desires above the feelings and well being of others. What is also funny is that you are putting forward an argument that can only really go in one direction, that direction being straight up its own arse - you are basically complaining that you aren't allowed to say and do what you want yet are pissed off with others for saying what they want to!!! How the fuck does that work? It doesn't, does it. It is silly and selfish and will get you nowhere so really just pack it in.
Why not come here and engage with people on there level before writing everyone off. Presumably you don't start immediately showing off and condemning everyone if you walk in to a room full of strangers so why do it here?
I'm maybe less sensitive than many people and I've laughed my ass off at Doug Stanhope but your comment about splitting women in two and them looking dead after sex with your porn star hero would get you a smack in the mouth if you said in front of me in the real world. That was fucking appalling Btw, you cannot be truly anti capitalist and pro misogyny - when you support misogyny, you support capitalism.
Seriously mate, if you want to increase your knowledge of anarchism and all the fucking shit served up by capitalism you'd be hard pushed to find a better resource than Libcom.
Finally, in case you still don't get it, what people are suggesting here is not about being PC and sticking to their narrow doctrine, it's just about having a bit of consideration for others and not being a selfish prick.

Pearsy

Whaa! Whaa! Muh, muh language. Me! Me! Me!

Honestly, if Pearsy considers himself to be a "white knight" then I would prefer to be eaten by a dragon.

Now we've all agreed pearshy was a bit of a dick I'm gonna go back to the original topic.

I don't know if someone's put this before but I get pissed off with leftists, communists and anarchists who vote or support representative Democracy.

I mean when you here things like:

"I'm a true socialist, I vote Labour"

"but the green party are different"

"but people died so you could vote"

"protest doesn't work"

"but direct action doesn't work"

"I'm just voting against UKIP"

"I'm just voting against the tories"

And my personal favorite who this poor, misinformed girl said in a A level politics class, she was kinda a liberal Labour supporter...

"but if you don't like any party.... Why don't you start an anarchist party?"

Ah she meant well I guess...

;)

Jef, that's a great post. Really well put. I tried to write something similar yesterday, but just couldn't get it out properly so I deleted it. What I was trying to get at was what you wrote here

Jef

Now using offensive words is just impolite and unnecessary. I have argued for the freedom to use various words and that they are meaningless, however instead of asking "Why should I stop saying this word?" I started asking myself "Why do I need to say this word?" If using the word cunt can offend a comrade who I respect then why continue to use it? What is so important about my needing to use the word that overrides everything else?

This is exactly the same reasoning I used and then quit using offensive words.

Pearsy,

Something to think on.

Apologies where you've hedged your bet three times are not really understood as sincere.

Slight apology and talking like an adult about earlier discussion
I know I have been banned from this site but I just wanted to create this thread for a few reasons, I hope it stays up. First off I was a bit of an asshole last night when I was posting on here. I am actually sorry for that, especially as a few posters were being level headed and just nice in general and I was very aggressive.

To address your points.

Oppressive language, a short history;

Societal discourse, specifically the language and humor you hold so dear, are not simply "just words". They are in part vehicles by which cultural information, and practices, are transmitted. In Nazi Germany, a language of antisemitism was propagated as a means to regularize what was happening. It put peoples guard down, even reasonable folk, and played its part in allowing the tragedy to happen. In that same way, a language that minimizes violence against women is perpetuated as a means to regularize the despicable situation we have today . Language that paints LGBTQ folks in a negative light helps soften straight peoples consciousness to their oppression. So, language is by no means the flagship in the fleet of oppression, but it is a well-armed, veteran gunboat with clear historical examples of its success. When you engage in that discourse (use of derogatory nouns tied to specific, oppressed groups and humor that minimizes really fucked up situations) but also think the way you do (you're anti-oppressive, we get it), you have stumbled into being a pawn who is turning the crank on a mechanism that transmits cultural information that promotes practices and situations you disagree with. All of this is in spite of the context which you feel exonerates you from criticism.

There are other good reasons to adjust this behavior as well, but none as good as the above.

The working-class isn't just soft racists/sexists/homophobes as you seemed to be suggesting in an earlier post. For example, when a person at work hears you going on like it sounds like you do, and they happen to be a member of a group whose oppression you're helping reproduce, they are not very likely to want to interact with you much. Who could blame them? Why should they even give you a moment? When you do that kind of shit it makes people feel unwelcome, and folks don't like to hang about places they are unwelcome. Its awkward, and potentially threatening. This is going to preclude from friendships and be harmful in workplace organizing (which you said you engage in right?).

You would do well to re-read the thread and identify all the times you've done this. Also, as you mentioned, some folks were engaging with you, and you need to re-read what they said.

self-edited.

Hey Pears,

FWIW, I thought your apology was probably sincere although adding "slight" to the front of it probably didn't do you any favors.

That said, I think the issues you've raised are much wider than "things leftists say", so I might advise you start a few different threads so we can dig a bit more deeply into each one.

For example, there's what I raised in post 330 about having different expectations for workmates and fellow anarchists. I'd legitimately like to hear a response from you about that one.

Also, just while I'm thinking about, Webby, your last post on this thread was awesome.

EDIT: cross-posted with Fleur. Fleur, I'm impressed you can go through all that and still be libcom's best poster. Solidarity.

No worries. That said, I've also had to delete your avatar pic as it was clearly there just to wind people. I thought your apology earlier was really good and something that a lot of people struggle to do but putting that pic was just going back to yesterday's level of 'discussion'.

So again, please people, be nice to each other and give me a quiet night. Otherwise bans are coming out.

All the posts by Pears (and some responses to him) have now been unpublished, so this thread is now published again - to be about its original topic. Please don't continue the debate with Pears.

Back on topic - Glenn Greenwald, and the left's uncritical fawning upon him.

Fleur

Back on topic - Glenn Greenwald, and the left's uncritical fawning upon him.

In general really all of this crap about the NSA and how the US government is all of a sudden for the first time in its history violating the civil liberties of its own citizens.

Pretty sure that they've been doing that for a really long time and it really seems like only white people would not understand this

around palestine stuff: responding to concerns over anti-Semitism with vague comments about how the Palestinians are a "Semitic people" - as though this is at all relevant in the first place, and as though the term hasn't, since it's exception, been a reference to specifically anti-Jewish attitudes.

In fact a number of scholars advocate not using the hypenated word "anti-semitism" because there's no such thing as "semitism" for there to be an "anti-" prefix too (unlike, fascism, capitalism, communism, etc). Some even go further and advocate the use of an initial capital indicating a proper noun - as per Nazis, etc. It's not a huge thing.

But yeah, the whole "Arabs can't be anti-semitic [sic] cos they're Semites too" thing, is really, really annoying.

iexist is a rabid anNTI-SEMANTITE

Remember, keep that unconditional support critical!

"Just hoping to start a conversation/dialog about these issues".

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Chilli Sauce

"Just hoping to start a conversation/dialog about these issues".

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even worse:

"Just hoping to start a discourse about these issues".

Oh, that is even fucking worse!

Out of interest, why do you both object to that? Is it the rather condescending language, or do you think 'the left' needs to TALK LESS, DO MORE? Cos actually i think it could do with actual proper reflection on its activities. One of the big problems with 'the left' (apart from it existing in the first place, hohoho) is how most reflective discussion is either dominated by academics, or couched in academic language.

My personal bugbear is MEDIA BLACKOUT OF MY SHITTY FUCKING DEMO.

It's not that, though, I mean Jesus, the anarchist movement could use a bit of self-reflection. It's more the activisty types who organize "actions" to "raise awareness" or "start a conversation in the media".

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Oh right I see. Well it might unnerve you to know that I agree with your sentiment, although probably not how you apply it in practice.

Awareness raising is almost always patronising evangelist bullshit.

"Some of my apolitical friends..." <<< activist superiority complex, yet more evidence of evangelism. Noone is apolitical you fucktard, they all have some sort of opinions on political issues, which may well be more intelligent or logical than your Vegan Slop Not Bombs bullshit. They may even talk to you about what they think about the world, society, class, etc, if you stopped banging on at them about going to your idiotic spectacular demo or soul-destroying meeting.

I don't know, though, in a place like Detroit or old mining villages, "de-industrialization" can have some validity, no?

fair 'nough.

Entdinglichung

Chilli Sauce

"Just hoping to start a conversation/dialog about these issues".

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even worse:

"Just hoping to start a discourse about these issues".

Even more annoyingly (at least to language pedants like me) it's just plain ignorant. If you mean conversation or dialogue, say so.

To misuse a word recently re-imported from French by anglophone intellectuals to show off your intellectual creds, without realising that it's specific meaning in that present usage has nothing to do with dialogue, is not just to be a poser, but a moronic poser.

Annoying also as the specific meaning - either Foucault's sense of "an institutionalized way of thinking, a social boundary defining what can be said (or thought) about a specific topic", or it's more general use in terms of framing in communication - is actually useful. And its very usefulness lies in looking at communication from a different angle than interpersonal conversation. The abuse of the term is regressive in taking away the addition of the concept it was originally imported to refer to.

(I really shouldn't have bothered writing that. Oh well...)

referring to Foucault or Habermas (I guess Ocelot was referring in his statement to his discourse theory when he mentioned the second use of the term) by misusing their terms is bad ... but basing a political concept on Foucault or Habermas after understanding them isn't better, or?

I confess to being blissfully unaware of Habermas's ideas (although I am told this is nowadays more or less a hanging offence in Germany).

By framing I was referring to the stuff coming from more from the Kahneman, Lakoff angle (predated by Goffman) as imported into political thought by various NGO and electoral politics theorists. But there may be a relation to Habermas underlying this, I wouldn't know

Habermas, who is a pupil of Adorno, Horkheimer and Abendroth is also responsible for a far more disgusting concept, which the liberal left in Germany loves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism

Entdinglichung

Habermas, who is a pupil of Adorno, Horkheimer and Abendroth is also responsible for a far more disgusting concept, which the liberal left in Germany loves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism

Yeuch! ...and we're back to the Charlie Hebdo discussion, if I'm not mistaken?

Anytime someone says the word 'apathy' all I hear is: "I have such poor social skills that I can't think of a single real reason why nobody cares about my hobby."

When they say that someone is a strong women, thereby implying that most women are weak.

Or "articulate" for a black person, man does that one fuck me off.

Entdinglichung

Habermas, who is a pupil of Adorno, Horkheimer and Abendroth is also responsible for a far more disgusting concept, which the liberal left in Germany loves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism

crikey

In the eighties lefties I knew were so right on and would jump on you for any p.c. misdemeanour but hated Americans and would say anything they felt like about them which were usually outrageous generalisations. Fucking idiots.

Edit: 'Fucking idiots'. Eighties lefties that is, not Americans!

bernie sanders

boozemonarchy

bernie sanders

Who he???

Webby

boozemonarchy

bernie sanders

Who he???

A member of the Democratic Party (US) who is running for the office of President. He at one time self-identified as a socialist. Anyway, everyone is freaking out cause he is doing good in polls.

You know what, though? From a purely voyeuristic P.O.V. I'd love to see a Sanders v. Trump presidential race.

Oh man, that would be awesome. A bottomless popcorn tray wouldn't be enough!

"wake up"

"We were fooled." "X betrayed us." "We won't make that mistake next time."

Related: "sheeple"

While libtards also say this, it's a staple among leftists: "information/jnowledge will set you free"

knowledge is fucking power

"Radical imagination"

Why is it that all the leftists who use that term always seem to have the most boring, unimaginative politics?

"war is peace."

nineties lefties and lefties in the 2000s as well, probably still do, I just don't hang out with them anymore :)

knowledge is fucking power

it's partly true but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

antifa

"X is a fascist/nazi"

Just re-read this thread and come to the conclusion that we're a bunch of miserable old sods.

Chilli

knowledge is fucking power

You've already said that, you clearly really hate that one.

"Be the change you want to be" or whatever faux Gandhi quote is.
People who quote Gandhi in general actually.

fnbrilll

antifa

"infoshop"

"zine"

Chilli Sauce

"zine"

"my distro"

Fleur

miserable old sods.

I also hate folk punk.

Fnordie

Chilli Sauce

"zine"

"my distro"

"distro"

"point person" for delegate
"comms" for communications
"action" for protest
"fucked up" for oppressive

...and (barf)..."bottom line" as a verb

Nah, point person is fucking great, man.

I mean, how many time in a meeting have you come to a decision that never gets carried out because no one takes the lead on? That's where the point person comes in - or, as anyone who's ever been in an organization with me, the working group. God bless 'em both!

"Oh my god"

or

"Hey that's my tiramisu"

or

"Come back here with my child's 'Where's Waldo?' book!"

Yeah I bet your working groups bottom line things all the time. Harrumph.

Pennoid

"Oh my god"

or

"Hey that's my tiramisu"

or

"Come back here with my child's 'Where's Waldo?' book!"

I hate when leftists are like "Aaargh, my chest! AARGH! Where are my nitroglycerin pills?!"

Or

"I mean, yeah, but really marzipan is a dessert that's rooted in an anarchist ethics of practice."

‘A point person’

My mum told me not to point, as it was rude.

I hate the word ‘leftist’ as it just signifies ‘not my politics’. Has anyone ever claimed to be a leftist? Are there any rightists? The penny dropped after reading it several times in the Guardian, etc.

'Bottom line' reeks of bourgeois indoctrination. To the camps with anyone who can't break themselves of that vestige of capitalist domination.

"Stop running over my stuff with your lawnmower"

Bernie Sanders

"I make sure my cleaner and au pair get the living wage"

Edgy White Liberal

My sister told me the other day re: my emphatic disinterest in Bernie Sanders, that anti-voting/anti-electoralism "smacks of white privilege."

Also, I was walking past Insomnia Cookies in Harvard Square a while back with one of my relatives, and I pointed out that the local chapter of IWW had won a struggle there about a year ago.

Her response, almost word-for-word:

"Why are they picking on the little guy? It's not like they're part of the One Percent!"

[In case you were confused, the "little guy" in her scenario is the company that extracted unpaid overtime, withheld benefits and terminated an employee under false pretexts---not the workers.]

I swear to God, if I hear people throw around "One Percent" enough times, I'm going to develop a tic.

"Jez we can"

Which doesn't work really.

Anti-imperialist National Patriotism is the Highest Form of Proletarian Internationalism!

I work at UPS! I got that PROLE SWAG!

"democracy"

Pretty much everything printed on the pages of The Intelligent Optimist, formerly Ode.

"Jon Stewart is a force for good."

I joined the labour party to vote corbeyn

Generally ignoring the scabbiness of Stewart and Colbert.

Saying Westminster, 'Westmonster', 'Westminster politicians' or 'London rule' as if the problem is some outdated parliament filled with 'corrupt politicians' rather than the whole political system itself. Also pantopolitics or pantomime-politics for the same reasons.

Shit man, any time a politician's or a party's name is changed to make it sound evil: Bliar, Con-Dem, any of it.

The persistent fiction that empathy alone can save the world, that enlightened, compassionate capitalists can individually cease to be exploiters within the structural constraints of capitalism.

Also, any rhetoric about a convergence/synthesis of socialism and capitalism...

Also, any rhetoric about a convergence/synthesis of socialism and capitalism...[/quote]

Paul Mason Syndrome

"Market socialism"

Every single fucking word they utter.

"Everybody's a bit of an exploiter and exploited at the same time (except the One Percent), so really, why even talk about class? That's just divisive."

RebelRising

The persistent fiction that empathy alone can save the world, that enlightened, compassionate capitalists can individually cease to be exploiters within the structural constraints of capitalism.

Fnordie

[/quote]

Love it!

Ah, the fucking "creative class" or just "creatives" - that one fucking kills me!

"Wow! Jeremy Corbyn is going to win the Labour party leadership. I haven't been this excited since Syriza won the election"

2.0 appended to any novel or not so novel theory, political or social phenomenon.

Der Kreative Klass

Watch this if you never have, it's hilarious, especially if you've been to Berlin.

Banksy. Seriously, fuck Banksy.

Billy Bragg! As if his beige cod-folk droning isn't bad enough I've just been listening to Barking's finest on the radio and amongst the many gems of wisdom the skateboarder worrying bastard treated us to were these;

1. British foreign policy has no effect on migration to the UK, it's because they can use their mobile phones see what wonderful freedom we enjoy.

2. We need to make Labour the party of entrepreneurship.

Honestly, this scumbag needs his head kicked in. We should get a mob together, kick him almost to death and then get Steven to hang him with goose gizards left over from last nights admin dinner soirée!

"moral compass"

Is my compass immoral if its always pointing in the direction of hell?

" ... the left wing of a social democratic party ... "

"The program is written by the class in action"
"Workers themselves...!" (Here meaning the undifferentiated mass of people which Marx would have called simply 'labor power', and their 'unmoulded' opinions)
"Period of low struggle"
"Organic Leaders"
"Self-struggle; self-management; etc."
"Social Democratic" (when they mean liberal)
"Too much theory/history/debate"

"The electoral system is a scam!"*

*after months of endless pro-Bernie memes and giving libertarians shit for avoiding 'the bern'.

'The Scandinavian model'

Entdinglichung

" ... the left wing of a social democratic party ... "

It could be worse. On the anti-zionism/semitism thread

Schmoopie

Never mind what the British Labour Party or the left-wing generally say!

Noah

'The Scandinavian model'

Are you offending my people? ;)

Entdinglichung

" ... the left wing of a social democratic party ... "

You mean like Lenin, Luxemburg, Pannekoek, etc?

"Would you like a copy of (insert trot paper)"

I was at a demo against a racist politician the other night, it's pouring rain, we've just been kettled by 50 cops, people had been wounded, yet a few of them still took the time to flog their fucken newspapers

I saw a book out about young people and resisting austerity in the uk and most the contributors were phds/academics/journalists lol.

"Vote Leave"

"Vote Remain"

"We must show our solidarity with the people of Palestine..."

"We must support our fellow workers in struggle... "

"In bad faith..."

Pennoid

Entdinglichung

" ... the left wing of a social democratic party ... "

You mean like Lenin, Luxemburg, Pannekoek, etc?

they (the "leftists") mean Abbott, Hollande, all Scandinavians, etc.

Khawaga

Noah

'The Scandinavian model'

Are you offending my people? ;)

Would I, the politest poster in all of Libcom land do something like that? Never! I love and respect all people and all nations. Most of all I respect you. xxx

'The university is a factory'

"For the workers' bomb!" - Paul Mason Posadists, British section.