Nokta, l have not supported anything here, so why are you saying l did? But to clarify my personal opinion, l support every union in the CNT which voted against this plan to split the lWA. Of course, my personal opinion is just that - a personal opinion. lt's the Congress which decides who is or is not in the lWA.
Other comments to Lugius, if you want to verify how many people are where, just ask people directly. Don't elicit information from other parties like this. But yes, this is a small federation.
Robot, l guess you are lucky to be in FAU, not CNT. One wonders how long a 3 person union without syndical activity would be tolerated elsewhere. Well, in CNT (or even in ZSP), you wouldn't even be allowed to join. But we will see the realities soon enough, No doubt some 3 people unions are more equal than others.
How perfectly luxurious it must be to be able to tag along painlessly and cheer on those who constantly belittle the smaller organizations. Give the nod and pretend you are not one of them.
Nokta, l think it is fine to part ways but none of this is very friendly, And it is especially interesting to know that l am in some sort of "corpse". As far as l see, my organization, although far from perfect, is working, getting new members and is involved in deeper national coordination now. l really feel anything but dead. ln addition, l personally am fine being away from people like some of the ones l find on this forum. On the other hand, we have no intention to "divorce" from those anywhere who didn't want to divorce from us.
Finally, there was an important reason why Bakunin was against inheritance. Now we can see how the situations break down. The CNTE inherited millions - money, buildings... This was passed down and made the CNT probably the richest of all organizations in our realm. The property is the property of "all" ... but there is a problem if you want to leave or are expelled. The same with divorce. How many people do l know who do not divorce because they cannot afford to live alone, or they have a common municipal flat? There is a moral question... but the answer is made simple by some here. "Courtesy visits" are like the euphemism for the raid of one expelled CNT union, which was violent and took over their property in exchange for the space that they didn't give up. Or another form of eviction. At present, everybody has seen this and knows that critism can lead to expulsion and attempts to take over offices. Nobody actually knows how many people stay federated because they actually agree with all this and how many people stay because they have been in CNT 20, 30 or even 40 years and don't want to give up their name, identity or property. ln any case, we know what a key role the property plays for you, so we just hope that we don't keep hearing about more and more defederations accompanied by risk of eviction.
Personally, l am not in favor of cheating or not paying dues -which is a complaint l have against CNTE's majority faction actually. And questions of whether X, Y or Z union will be an appropriate member of the lWA in the future is a question for the lWA to decide, nobody else. Of course we know that all the arguments for and against the different defederations were documented in the CNT and we can take everything into account ourselves.
Of course l see that the CNT is not likely to let its unions who do not support leaving the lWA stay federated, which is also one solution that would at least preserve the idea of free association.
It's interesting to watch this thread because it makes the hypocrisy of the akai-lugius-faction pretty visible. They are (maybe rightfully) outraged about the open discussion by CNT of using the name IWA-AIT for the new to be formed international but are already supporting a (tiny) excluded faction of the CNT that calls itself CNT-AIT(!).
In general though everything seems to have been said here. The positions are more or less clear. Also don't forget that the very heated discussion here and in general takes mostly place between a few figures, most members on both sides are not that interesting in century-long fight, so we should handle this like adults handle a bad relationship: Part ways, maybe try to stay friends and who knows maybe someday we can get back together.