MMA and straightedge - nazis fuck off

MMA and straightedge - nazis fuck off

Don't you hate it when you're into stuff and complete pieces of shit are into it too?

This is a just a rant about something that's bugged me recently - the appearance of openly neo-nazi bands using straightedge as part of the platform for their poisonous message. I'd heard of boneheads aping straightedge in the last year or two - bands like Blue Eyed Devils and Total War had got discussed on a few punk and straightedge forums, universally the response was a big 'fuck off' to nazi bands aping straightedge.

Watching a repeat of National Geographic's 'American skinhead' documentary (filmed in 2007 I think) alerted me to a few more neo-nazi hardcore bands; Tear Down and Beyond Sacred - both fucking abysmally as shit musically as they are politically. The show primarily centred on a Pennsylvania neo-nazi group, Keystone United (formerly Keystone State Skinheads, I'll refer to them as KSS still). The group's leader, Keith Carney, presents himself as a clean-cut, teetotal conscientious political activist, and has been pictured in a 'kill your local drug dealer' shirt - even picks up litter like a good little boy.

While straightedge bands have often had some pretty shit politics, they almost universally been anti-racist, and I remember in my late teens when I had started to check out the older 'classic' straightedge bands such as Minor Threat, and later 'youth-crew' bands like Youth of Today and Gorilla Biscuits, part of the appeal was the strong anti-racist message that came across.

Some late-80s straightedge kids had even organised to fight the rise of neo-nazis at hc/punk shows - FSU in Boston became famous for their physical confrontations with neo-nazis, but eventually descended into the mobbish gangsterism many anti-fascists affiliated with anarchism have been accused of.

The documentary reveals that Carney has spent time in prison for racist assaults and last year was on trial with fellow neo-nazis over another racist assault. In other segments he tells people that if they support homosexuality or immigration then 'they should be afraid' because KSS wants to put an end to that.

KSS were involved in counter-protests at rallies in support of Mumia Abu Jamal, and called for Mumia to be 'put to death now' and that he should 'fry'. This prompted anti-racists to expose their activity at the rally. KSS had also been distributing flyers scape-goating minority communities for various murders.

A segment has Carney and his crew of Neanderthals distributing a flyer outside a baseball game - the flyer (not available on KSS site though) was an 'American Jobs for American Workers' flyer - not a kick in the arse off the flyers being distributed in the initial phase of this year's Lindsey Oil Refinery strikes.

A portion of the documentary shows a bunch of boneheads and associates, including Carney training 'MMA' at their own specialised neo-nazi gym, complete with swastikas and assorted fascist paraphernalia on the walls. The 'trainer', Jason Tankersley (Maryland Skins), speaks about discipline and appears to be attempting to distance himself and his associates from the traditional image of the drunken nazi skinhead mob - he's grown his hair out, eschews drugs, and has gone as far as to organise a booze-free St Patrick’s Day celebration (more on this idiocy in a bit). A little googling shows him as a typical bonehead, bomber-jacket wearing, swazi-flag-weilding bonehead.

I found out through another Libcom poster, that there was a reasonably high-profile pro-MMA fighter who was openly sporting a swastika tattoo and calling himself a 'white nationalist', Melvin Costa. The possibility of anarchist MMA fighter Jeff Monson going toe-to-toe to him was raised here, and while it'd be amazing to see Monson rip his head off, the huge weight discrepancy means it'll probably never happen (Costa's 205lb, Monson's about 50lb heavier!).

When I've heard about white-power twats training MMA I've often wondered where the hell they're allowed to train - I doubt racism would be tolerated in most gyms, and certainly any I've ever trained at have been pretty diverse in terms of make-up (black, white, asian, eastern european), even in Ireland. I'd like to think any gym I know would tell twats with swastika tattoos to go fuck themselves. I've seen the topic of whether openly neo-nazi fighters should be on MMA fightcards and it brought me to this article about one of Tankersley's fighters (Doug Sonier) getting his ass handed to him. In the run up to the fight detailed, people had been cheering his opponent to end it quickly, and he duly did, putting the neo-nazi twat out in the first round - here he is having a little cry.

Lastly, that booze-free St Patrick’s Day celebration that Tankersley had organised. The footage of it's pretty hilarious. Picture a fat nazi skin, playing acoustic guitar and putting on a faux-Irish accent, singing 'The Wild Rover', in a room with a 'no booze allowed' notice. The re-branding of white-power as 'european heritage' is laughable in its stupidity. 'Tankersley' isn't even an Irish name, you stupid twat.

So yeah, basically just pissed that fucking twats are aping shit that I generally found to be positive and free of this racist shit. I wanna quote one of my favourite Gorilla Biscuits songs "Degradation":

Tell me who's pure. Tell me who's right.
Tell me the last time you fought a fair fight.
A loser's way to find some friends,
you look like a skin but that's where it ends.
True, they're always at our shows,
It doesn't mean we fit in with their hatred and racism shit.
They ruin our name, you know what I mean.
Racial supremacists degrade our scene.
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You know you can kiss my ass before I read your zine.
There's no good side to this white power scene.
Kids beat down for standing up.
Your turn will come because we've all had enough.
You look like kids we know. You're not welcome here.
You don't like music and we don't like fear.
I guess it's your right to be proud that your white.
Are you here for music or just to pick fights.
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Don't fool yourself cause you don't fool me.
It's not just blacks you hate, it's everyone you see.
Rich, poor, young, and old, whoever's in your way.
What a boring life, hating every day.
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YOU'VE GOT NOTHING BUT HATRED!

Note: no fascist sites are linked to in this post

Comments

Joseph Kay
Jun 14 2009 01:57
Choccy wrote:
you look like a skin but that's where it ends.

this is me and jack right now sad

Skips
Jun 14 2009 10:02

I wonder how they will defend themselves on the street against Kenneth and me with sub machine guns beardy

Choccy
Jun 14 2009 11:49

oh shit, has sickdog BEEN TO THE GUN SHOW?!1!??

Jack, JoeK - what have youse done?

Armchair Anarchist
Jun 14 2009 22:12
Choccy wrote:
FSU in Boston became famous for their physical confrontations with neo-nazis
wikipedia wrote:
They would use makeshift weapons such as hammers, Cue balls in a sock and even a human thighbone

eek

Choccy
Jun 14 2009 23:12

i suspect that bit is bullshit

radicalgraffiti
Jun 14 2009 23:32
Armchair Anarchist wrote:
Choccy wrote:
FSU in Boston became famous for their physical confrontations with neo-nazis
wikipedia wrote:
They would use makeshift weapons such as hammers, Cue balls in a sock and even a human thighbone

eek

wasn't that a video game?

revol68
Jun 14 2009 23:45

I can't imagine what would attract fash to movements and activities based aorund violence, homoeroticism concealed behind the 'athletic ideal', purity and discipline.

also Gorilla Biscuits are fucking shite!

Farce
Jun 15 2009 14:36
radicalgraffitti wrote:
wasn't that a video game?

I think it was the Bible. eek

revol68 wrote:
I can't imagine what would attract fash to movements and activities based aorund violence, homoeroticism concealed behind the 'athletic ideal', purity and discipline.

True, straightedge is pretty wank. Can anyone show me an example of fascists infiltrating subcultures based around taking MDMA and hugging a lot?

prec@riat
Jun 15 2009 15:39
revol68 wrote:
also Gorilla Biscuits are fucking shite!

you sir are an idiot. Start Today is one of the best albums of all time. (though I agree, new GB pretty much suxors).

Choccy
Jun 15 2009 15:41

take no notice, he literally knows absolutely nothing about music
I think he's probably the only person I know that genuinely does not actually like music, it's bizarre.
I've met Feeder and RedHotChiliPepper fans who like and know more about music than him.

revol68
Jun 15 2009 17:08

Coming form someone who likes Duffy and rates Earth Crisis as one fo the best bands ever I think I will take that as a compliment.

Choccy
Jun 15 2009 17:14

I like two Duffy songs, one of which is in the 'top ten songs ever written'

revol68
Jun 15 2009 17:36

oh and you like The Kooks.

Choccy
Jun 15 2009 17:51

really?
on what basis do you consider that a factual statement?

revol68
Jun 15 2009 17:52
Choccy wrote:
really?
on what basis do you consider that a factual statement?

on the basis that you have liked every single they have released.

I can also back this up with testimony from numerous other people.

revol68
Jun 15 2009 17:53

oh and you like Cold Play and Badly Drawn Boy.

These are stone cold facts.

Choccy
Jun 15 2009 18:00

walk into my room now and find a Coldplay record/CD or a Kooks one - go, do it, you can't because there aren't any

Skips
Jun 15 2009 20:12
Choccy wrote:
walk into my room now and find a Coldplay record/CD or a Kooks one - go, do it, you can't because there aren't any

Only cos u got them all on your secret mp3 player. Hidden in one of your kropotkin books.

888
Jun 15 2009 20:34
Farce wrote:
True, straightedge is pretty wank. Can anyone show me an example of fascists infiltrating subcultures based around taking MDMA and hugging a lot?

An AF comrade from Madrid told us about Spanish fascists taking E and going to raves, with the older fascists complaining "We didn't kill reds so you could go around popping pills"...

jef costello
Jun 16 2009 15:15

The company you keep.

Quote:
Elgin became a vegetarian/vegan at age eleven after watching the animals he raised on the farm slaughtered. Later, using a tactic learned from the United States Government , he and other FSU members set up an "arms for hostages" scenario trading handguns to inner city gang members in exchange for the pit bulls used in dog fighting rings. The dogs would then be nursed back to health and fostered until safe homes were found for them.
888
Jun 16 2009 18:35
jef costello wrote:
The company you keep.
Quote:
Elgin became a vegetarian/vegan at age eleven after watching the animals he raised on the farm slaughtered. Later, using a tactic learned from the United States Government , he and other FSU members set up an "arms for hostages" scenario trading handguns to inner city gang members in exchange for the pit bulls used in dog fighting rings. The dogs would then be nursed back to health and fostered until safe homes were found for them.

What mind blowing stupidity

Skips
Jun 16 2009 18:40
888 wrote:
jef costello wrote:
The company you keep.
Quote:
Elgin The dogs would then be nursed back to health and fostered until safe homes were found for them. And then the gangmembers would use the handguns to kill other human beings and innocent people in the crossfire.
Choccy
Jun 16 2009 22:49

Yeah did you read what I wrote about FSU?

flaneur
Jun 17 2009 10:54

I don't think exchanging dogs for guns is mobbish gangsterism, just stupidity beyond belief.

Isn't that baffling that neo-Nazis are attracted to straight edge really, what with it being totalitarian at times and that's not just Vegan Reich I'm talking about.

Let 'em have it; least I'd never have to listen to another song explaining why straight edge kids can't be friends with those who aren't or who've broken.

S2W
Jun 18 2009 10:02

In Russia both Nazi "hardline" straightedge and Nazi MMA are significant. Borovikov gang, who killed few dozen people around St. Petersburg considered themselves sxe. In MMA, another one of the Emelianenkos (the worse one, not the good one) is a Nazi.

In general I'm fine with Nazi hardcore and straightedge spreading in Russia. Russian National Unity in its heyday used to have hundreds of thousands of supporters. Nazi hardline straightedge will never have more than few hundred, they will always be marginal shit. Nice that Nazis are falling to subcultural trap, organising concerts instead of a social movement.

BB
Jul 2 2009 09:13
jef costello wrote:
The company you keep.
Quote:
Elgin became a vegetarian/vegan at age eleven after watching the animals he raised on the farm slaughtered. Later, using a tactic learned from the United States Government , he and other FSU members set up an "arms for hostages" scenario trading handguns to inner city gang members in exchange for the pit bulls used in dog fighting rings. The dogs would then be nursed back to health and fostered until safe homes were found for them.

You are shitting me!!!

Choccy
Jul 2 2009 21:01

Yeah Elgin seemed pretty nuts, he'sbeen on docs about straightedge and FSU, i think there was a National Geographic one a few yrs back.

schalomlibertad
Jul 3 2009 21:20

I agree with molly0000000s. This is not at all baffling.
Remember the lyrics of Earth Crisis' song "Firestorm"?

Quote:
Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back.
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin.
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war.
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for.

The purity politics and the total war thing runs well with fascist ideology, don't you think? The clean body, the innocent victim, the male brotherhood, the violent gestures, the vangardism, the purification metaphors. And the hyper-masculine, white, heterosexual dominance within the scene.
I think there are also distinctions and conflicts within the scene but some sections of the straight edge scene have clear fascist tendencies. No doubt.

revol68
Jul 3 2009 22:07
schalomlibertad wrote:
I agree with molly0000000s. This is not at all baffling.
Remember the lyrics of Earth Crisis' song "Firestorm"?
Quote:
Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back.
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin.
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war.
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for.

The purity politics and the total war thing runs well with fascist ideology, don't you think? The clean body, the innocent victim, the male brotherhood, the violent gestures, the vangardism, the purification metaphors. And the hyper-masculine, white, heterosexual dominance within the scene.
I think there are also distinctions and conflicts within the scene but some sections of the straight edge scene have clear fascist tendencies. No doubt.

word.

the very kernel of fascism is the notion that an otherwise organic whole is contaminated by an outside agent, be that jews, usury or in the case of sXe drugs..

revol68
Jul 3 2009 22:38
Jack wrote:
schalomlibertad wrote:
I agree with molly0000000s. This is not at all baffling.
Remember the lyrics of Earth Crisis' song "Firestorm"?
Quote:
Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back.
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin.
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war.
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for.

The purity politics and the total war thing runs well with fascist ideology, don't you think? The clean body, the innocent victim, the male brotherhood, the violent gestures, the vangardism, the purification metaphors. And the hyper-masculine, white, heterosexual dominance within the scene.
I think there are also distinctions and conflicts within the scene but some sections of the straight edge scene have clear fascist tendencies. No doubt.

Fucking hell. Straight edge is a load of shite, but if you believe that you are a complete fucking cretin.

He's fucking spot on though, hardline isn't an aberration from sXe (as articulated by the likes of Earth Crisis) it is it's logical conclusion, just as fundamentalism is the truth of religious faith, even if most religious people don't follow through to such ends.

That song Firestorm is totally proto fascist!