Would you work in a cooperative with Donald Trump?

Meh far as I am concerned, post revolution people like Donald Trump should be hanged

X - you and he could bond over your mutual disdain for women! ;-)

Yes to both of the above posts.

Many celebrities are very highly paid wage workers and there's a difference between - God help me - an unapologetic capitalist like Trump and Bieber who is actually really critical of the US's privatized health care system, for example.

Anyway, I'd actually advocate, post-revoution, ex-employees should be able to decide a punishment for their ex-bosses. Mostly I think working the shittiest of shit jobs (in as much as jobs will exist) for x amount of time will suffice. But, in extreme circumstances, a good kicking is definitely in order.

Chilli Sauce

Anyway, I'd actually advocate, post-revoution, ex-employees should be able to decide a punishment for their ex-bosses. Mostly I think working the shittiest of shit jobs (in as much as jobs will exist) for x amount of time will suffice. But, in extreme circumstances, a good kicking is definitely in order.

Utopia:
"But... but.. isn't this kind of work obsolete under communism?"
"Sure it is; now keep breaking those big rocks into little rocks with those other rocks, you bourgeois freeloader!"

[This is better if you imagine yourself giving the order on a hoverboard and Donald Trump is dressed like Charlton Heston at the end of 'Planet of the Apes']

Once again, Libcom plunges into yet another form of myopia. I mean, think of the wealth of hair styling advice hanging with The Trumpster would afford us!

XirmiX

commieprincess

X - you and he could bond over your mutual disdain for women! ;-)

Are you one of those people who think "If you're against feminism you're against women"? Because if so then... *facepalm* women aren't feminism!
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Fun Fact: Reactionaries describe most forms of oppression as being beneficial to the oppressed.

Still thinking about what should happen to people like Trump. So far, all I can think of is some kind of hunger games style competition with him and Jeremy Kyle.

X - No, I'm one of those people who thinks that if you say a cat-call is a compliment, say women are asking for it by being dressed in certain ways, and don't actually listen to a single woman's point of view, then yeah I'd say you're "against women"... But thanks for explaining feminism to me!

Ed

Chilli Sauce

Anyway, I'd actually advocate, post-revoution, ex-employees should be able to decide a punishment for their ex-bosses. Mostly I think working the shittiest of shit jobs (in as much as jobs will exist) for x amount of time will suffice. But, in extreme circumstances, a good kicking is definitely in order.

Utopia:
"But... but.. isn't this kind of work obsolete under communism?"
"Sure it is; now keep breaking those big rocks into little rocks with those other rocks, you bourgeois freeloader!"

[This is better if you imagine yourself giving the order on a hoverboard and Donald Trump is dressed like Charlton Heston at the end of 'Planet of the Apes']

Do it: http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/

the current economic system facilitates/rewards/holds up for admiration "type-A" personalities. i'd think that a horizontal system would dissuade/deter such behavior. but imo this is a matter of psychology before economics. there will be type-A people after a revolution, and how to deal with them?

Off-topic comments unpublished. Please do not derail.

Edit to add: There is already this thread if you want to engage X in his (in my opinion, absurd) views about feminism and cat-calling.

The revolutionaries do not have a taste for blood, nor a
spirit of vengeance. The revolts of the past show that
blood was indeed spilled, but only a very small share of
that bloodletting was due to the actions of the
insurrectionaries. Hope extinguishes hate.
It was the counterrevolution that massacred, imprisoned
and deported. Blood flowed during battles but often also,
after the fighting was over, when military victory was
assured. Murderous fury was born from the terror of the
owning classes. The reaction had to crush the enemy
forces. To them, the revolution seemed to reside in the
revolutionaries. Therefore, the latter had to be
destroyed.
The spirit of vengeance might play a role in workers
revolts. But that is all it was, compared to the repression
carried out by the forces of Versailles, by the Kuomintang
in 1927, by Franco’s forces….
The workers revolts have been much less characterized
by vengeance than were the anti-feudal peasant
rebellions. This is because the revolution is not an act of
desperation. Acts of destruction of goods and reprisals
against persons are often the work of those who do not
see any way out of their misery and who are satisfied
with annihilating those who embody their oppression.
Vengeance is not just petty, but stupid. It condemns our
enemies in advance on the basis of their past and
reinforces their resolve to oppose us, out of fear and
determination to survive. And it makes enemies among
those who, rightly or wrongly, feel that they, too, have
done something incriminating. And it encourages a
situation in which personal grudges can be settled.
We must offer our enemies the opportunity to change
sides. Communist principles do not in and of themselves
dictate a uniform mode of conduct. To the contrary, they
imply that it is possible to express a diversity of
characters, situations and past histories of those who
participate in the revolution. More precisely, they imply
that, just as our enemies do not view us as anything but
“red worms”, we must for our part continuously strive to
recognize even the worst of our enemies as human
beings. Without any illusions about human nature.
It would be stupid to attack doctors, engineers, peasants,
since many of these people would soon join us without
our having to make any concessions to the myth of the
specialist, to a hierarchy of labor, or to property. This
means that the councils should sometimes protect the
possessions of certain people. This will contradict the
principle of equality but it will make it possible for some
people to come over to the side of the councils by
offering to allow them to keep something they value. The
doctor could be guaranteed the use of his residence and
of his professional equipment on the condition that he
does not emigrate and that he treats those who need
medical assistance. Certain second homes, located in the
countryside, could be returned to their legal owners, or
handed over to their parents or their friends, without
thereby allowing anyone to possess two homes when
others are living in broken down shacks.
On the other hand, those who seek to preserve their
privileges or take advantage of the situation to feather
their own nests must know that they will not be able to
benefit from the mercy of their victims.
The more securely consolidated the revolutionary
councils are, the more capable they are of decreeing
clear rules and rapidly transforming reality, the less
necessary the use of violence.

http://libcom.org/library/world-without-money-communism-les-amis-de-4-millions-de-jeunes-travailleurs

XirmiX

So, you're working in a cooperative together with your comrades, helping each other out, making progress on whatever you're doing and generally having a decent time when suddenly Donald Trump comes in who has now joined the cooperative. I'm willing to bet that you and everyone else would have that "no me gusta" face when seeing him because the guy's fucking infamous. Even better; imagine how that would be for celebrities, like Justin Bieber for example XD

I actually think that much of the bourgeois won't actually get on board with anything productive. Much of the counter-revolution will be a long period of sabotage precipitated by entirely too much tolerance for our former rulers.

History will have taught us that the 'freeloader' problem was a capitalist myth. That said, I imagine communes would be more concerned with taking on disruptive and abusive people than they are supporting a couple of parasites.

The thing is that if a revolution remade the entire social fabric, people like Trump would feel entirely empty within it. It would be like the movie cliche when you go into an alternate universe where the successful person is a hairy, crazy, grumpy homeless man. He would live on the margins of society and when people would ask about him, you would say, "Oh, he calls himself The Donald. He mostly sticks to himself in his little cabin on the hill." "But why does he keep painting the same picture of himself over and over again on a napkin dispenser?" "He paints his dreams of the old times. That is why he calls himself The Donald."

I'm doing it man, I'm submitting this shit to Jim'll Paint It this weekend!

David Icke once referred to Trump as a 'preposterous human being'. As usual David was right.

Check this shit out.

http://youtu.be/83hOWOZBKi4

Go Donald!

I love shit like this, my five year old runs about the house singing nonsense songs like that every five minutes. She did a good one about parecon being a skydiving young conservative called 'I look like a big willy in my own sheet' while chewing a Belgian bun three minutes ago, bless.