So, according to The Telegraph, the couple who have just got arrested for holding three women hostage for 30 years were Maoists, active in the 70s in squats/communes, and recruited their female captives from other far left groups:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10471517/Slavery-case-two-arrested-ran-a-revolutionary-Communist-collective.html
it also says that they didn't use force to hold the women captive. So seems like a very bizarre case (possible shades of Jim Jones - http://libcom.org/library/suicide-for-socialism-jonestown-brinton).
Anyone know more about them or the groups they were in?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Institute_of_Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism%E2%80%93Mao_Zedong_Thought
Allegedly.
this one:
this one: http://marxists.org/history/erol/uk.hightide/index.htm#wimlmzt ... probably their leading figures
Thanks guys. Entdinglichung I
Thanks guys. Entdinglichung I would have said that they sounded delightfully barmy, but of course this domestic slavery case means that there is a much darker side to it all…
shows some similarities to
shows some similarities to this cult: http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v04n3-4/Cadre_or_Cult_1.html the National Labor Federation (NATLFED)/Communist Party USA (Provisional) led by "Gino Perente"
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-slaves-case-arrested-couple-ran-communist-sect-in-the-1970s-8962452.html
Article here on the sort of
Article here on the sort of brainwashing techniques used in another Maoist group (but which some Trotsky groups are not immune from either).
Steven. wrote: Thanks guys.
Steven.
I've a vague recollection of their not being regarded very fondly by groups whose meetings they intervened at. Their texts did use to provide a good deal of (unconscious) entertainment - the ones posted at marxists.org are good examples. I used to have a copy of an open letter to the Chinese leadership circulated by one side (i.e one person) of a split inside the group which was truly beyond satire.
Looking at their writings now they seem to exhibit all the indicators of a classic millenarian sect based on an apparently literal belief in the immanence of global revolution.
('On Building a Revolutionary Stable Base Area' 1977)
It's a little sobering to contemplate in the same text :
and relate it to this household which appears to be the degenerated vestige of the original commune.
some good points in Tariq
some good points in Tariq Ali's Graun article
Don't think so much of Tariq
Don't think so much of Tariq Ali's piece myself.
That ethnic profile scarcely applied to the largest Maoist group, the Birchite CPB (M-L), nor to Michael McCreery's Committee to Defeat Revisionism for Communist Unity. My recollections of the CPE (M-L), which the Workers Institute were expelled from, was of seeing them demonstrating at cultural events (this was the group Cornelius Cardew and friends belonged to). My memory is of them being overwhelmingly white and middle class, but it's entirely conceivable that what I saw wasn't representative.
Don't think this begins to get to grips with things. Small as UK Maoist and Hoxhaist groups were, they still replicated the divisions seen in Maoism elsewhere, between 'Old Left' varieties (based on anti-Kruschevism and ultra-Stalinism) and 'New Left' varieties. The 'Old Left' Maoists tended to have internal regimes based on that of the CPGB. Some of the 'new left' varieties - the Workers Institute being a prime example to judge from the account in Steve Rayners phd thesis - took their example from the image of the Cultural Revolution, and operated internal regimes that exemplified radical forms of the "tyranny of structurelessness", within which unity was maintained by political skill and the constant reshaping of an obligatory consensus, rather than through an exercise of formal authority within clearly defined bureaucratic structures.
I think A. Belden Field's account of Maoism in France is very useful about these divisions although they expressed themselves differently and on a much smaller scale in the UK.
3 women held hostage for 30
3 women held hostage for 30 years. Why look for explanations in their ideology? Looks tasteless, prurient and trainspottery all at once.
It's peoples' lives FFS.
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This. As appalling and shocking as it is, and whatever fucked up strain of ideology it came out of, the media are all over them, naming them, finding pictures, old neighbours, speculating about this, that and the other. Until they decide to talk for themselves, and they might not ever want to, it seems to me to be that the kind thing to do would be to leave them alone. I know that no-one is actually doing that here but I can imagine at the very least going from being held captive for 30 years to being the subject of massive amounts of what doesn't add up to much more than gossip must be utterly overwhelming, to say the least.
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I presume this is addressed to me as much as anyone else here :
As far as I was concerned this thread was about the political group not the specifics of these women's circumstances which I was a little reluctant to speculate about. I'm sorry if that leads you to conclude I was exhibiting insufficient empathy.
I entirely agree discussion of this matter should respect the women. Quite a good starting point would be to stop describing them as 'hostages' or 'captives' or 'slaves' but as what they are - victims of serious long-term domestic violence and abuse.
Why do I say that ? Because the backlash against the women has already begun - take this nauseating shit from the repellent contrarian scum at Spiked who question the media coverage in order to conclude :
In other words they were 'asking for it' and the 'handcuffs' weren't invisible they were non-existent.
The media circus seems to have been fuelled by the fact that after they initiated an escape from their situation by approaching a charity which deals with forced marriages the case was taken up by the Met's Human Trafficking unit. The other side of the exploitative coverage that resulted is that they at least seem to have approached a charity with the resources to help them. Although the government has expanded the definition of domestic violence to specifically include 'coercive control', actual services for victims of domestic abuse have been savaged by the same governments cuts.
I entirely agree that the ideology of the group doesn't explain how this household became what it was. But I do think if there's going to be discussion about political groups and their ideologies and practises it should attempt to be accurate. (And that applies as much to 'ours' as to 'theirs').
As for interest being 'prurient' well I can only speak for myself. I am (sadly) old enough to remember the 70s and I spent a long time working in social housing - specifically a small community with a higher than average proportion of politicos and ex-politicos of various kinds. Back in the day I saw some pretty awful anarchist and libertarian communal situations involving 'actual people ffs' being 'actually' damaged. I've experienced a fair number of situations where I had to get involved. Some of these situations were pretty disturbing and in a couple of cases I'm still troubled by the way I responded to them. None of these situations were 'explained' by the political ideology or practise of those involved, but it did underlie the formation of the households and communities in which they took place. I'm afraid there is nothing about anarchist or communist politics which automatically insulates those involved from 'comrade on comrade' abuse, manipulation or exploitation.
I don't think the situation of these women should be used as a springboard for 'lessons' to be drawn until and unless we know much more than media speculation. But I do think its reasonable to take interest from the point of view that these could have been, not abstract victims, but comrades.
agree with Lurdan, not the
agree with Lurdan, not the situation to score points, sadly every major political current on the left has its skeleton in the cupboard
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10476181/Slavery-case-Not-all-political-extremists-are-mad-and-I-should-know.html
I actually preferred this article to Tariq Ali's which felt a little lazy
Much as it's in the Torygraph
Much as it's in the Torygraph and in spite of the author being a former flat-top-sporting RCPer :upnorth: that Brendan O'Neill article makes some very good points.
yep, good stuff there,
yep, good stuff there, personally sad to have grown up in the 'end of ideology' period, an environment so suspicious of politics. still ingrained to some degree with the implicit message given in school that all social ills have been addressed, as if. takes effort to shake it off even now
http://cpgb.org.uk/home/weekl
http://cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/989/maoist-slaves-combating-the-fascist-state-in-brixton
http://tendancecoatesy.wordpr
http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/balakrishnan-workers-institute-of-marxism-leninism-mao-thought-charged/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/cult-leader-sexually-assaulted-and-brainwashed-followers-court-told
http://www.theguardian.com/uk
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/13/commune-leaders-daughter-rejected-life-of-abuse-court-told
http://www.theguardian.com/uk
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/29/maoist-cult-leader-jailed-for-23-years-as-slave-daughter-goes-public
http://weeklyworker.co.uk/wor
http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1092/devotion-to-dogma/
https://www…
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/cult-leader-who-raped-women-23644960
So not immortal after all…
So not immortal after all then. I hope his death brings some peace to his victims.