Trans Help Lines

I think the number one piece of advice i would give to other trans comrades, one which i generally follow myself, would be not to read libcom.

But then again people have a tendency to learn lots of self destructive coping mechanisms so here I am clicking on a forum subject that says "the poverty of identity politics." i'm sure this will go well.

Between Your Teeth

I think the number one piece of advice i would give to other trans comrades, one which i generally follow myself, would be not to read libcom.

Well, fair enough, but doesn’t that really just equate to ‘don’t read anything on the internet’?

Just an fyi, instead of making this into a discussion thread, you can also send out a message to multiple people in the messages tab (just separate names with commas). It seems kind of counterproductive to have another thread that will attract the same type of commenting as in the previous thread.

zugzwang

Just an fyi, instead of making this into a discussion thread, you can also send out a message to multiple people in the messages tab (just separate names with commas). It seems kind of counterproductive to have another thread that will attract the same type of commenting as in the previous thread.

Oh god, you’re probably right, they would invade this thread too. Hopefully not though as they seem to have cut and run. For now...

Noah Fence

Between Your Teeth

I think the number one piece of advice i would give to other trans comrades, one which i generally follow myself, would be not to read libcom.

Well, fair enough, but doesn’t that really just equate to ‘don’t read anything on the internet’?

Alot of us use more closed spaces or places where it's easy to just block people. Libcom is particularly terrible tbqh. I really should stay the fuck off here.

Fuck, I’m sorry it’s that way. What do you think the reason is that it’s so poor here? If indeed it is.(I mean, I’ve nothing to compare it to and probably just don’t notice things in the way you do).

No blocks, simple as that tbh. You end up engaging with people you'd just ignore and block elsewhere. So it gets under your skin more. Tbh, I quit these forums years ago, pre transition, because they were really bad for me and I've only come back because I'm struggling to leave the AF thing alone.

i would also add that if no one posts stuff about trans things in case in attracts the wrong kind of attention it basically means surrendering the forums to bigots. thats why i think its incredibly misguided to tell people in a marginalised group not to discuss issues surrounding it, thats been the general response in gaming spaces and look how thats gone

radicalgraffiti

i would also add that if no one posts stuff about trans things in case in attracts the wrong kind of attention it basically means surrendering the forums to bigots. thats why i think its incredibly misguided to tell people in a marginalised group not to discuss issues surrounding it, thats been the general response in gaming spaces and look how thats gone

RG, you are absolutely right, yet if you look at Ticking Fool’s recent comments you can understand why they would not want to take part. If they don’t though, people like me that have practically no understanding of the issue at hand but genuinely would like to offer solidarity, will be the less able to do so, and much less able to challenge assholes who perpetuate such vile views in real life.

I chanced upon a video about work by a comic called Steve Hughes which was really on point. I then watched a few more vids and whilst he clearly wasn’t a radical of any sort, he had a pretty good critique of government, corporations and some aspects of social relations. He was also very funny. So I thought he was a good find.
Then I clicked on what turned out to be an interview and found myself listening to a vile rant about trans people, likening them to people that identify as unicorns! It really was unbelievable and as stupid as it was hateful.
Seriously, where does this extreme bigotry come from? What is it about trans stuff that brings out such fevered hatred and preposterous ideas and misunderstandings in even people that seem in other areas to take a sensible view of things?

I don’t normally pay much attention to such things but who is the fucking fool that down voted RGs comment? Ffs.

Lucky Black Cat

Noah Fence

I don’t normally pay much attention to such things but who is the fucking fool that down voted RGs comment? Ffs.

Steve Hughes

Full marks comrade! You win the Libcomedy award!

radicalgraffiti

i would also add that if no one posts stuff about trans things in case in attracts the wrong kind of attention it basically means surrendering the forums to bigots. thats why i think its incredibly misguided to tell people in a marginalised group not to discuss issues surrounding it, thats been the general response in gaming spaces and look how thats gone

I'm not sure if this is directed at me? If so I never said we should not post trans-related material on the forums. I only meant it seems counterproductive to have a crisis resources thread for trans people with transphobes in the comments below. There are many people here who know of someone or might themselves be crisis-prone. If we're being serious I'd rather have an updated libcom crisis resources page (assuming anyone would ever stumble upon and benefit from that).

zugzwang

radicalgraffiti

i would also add that if no one posts stuff about trans things in case in attracts the wrong kind of attention it basically means surrendering the forums to bigots. thats why i think its incredibly misguided to tell people in a marginalised group not to discuss issues surrounding it, thats been the general response in gaming spaces and look how thats gone

I'm not sure if this is directed at me? If so I never said we should not post trans-related material on the forums. I only meant it seems counterproductive to have a crisis resources thread for trans people with transphobes in the comments below. There are many people here who know of someone or might themselves be crisis-prone. If we're being serious I'd rather have an updated libcom crisis resources page (assuming anyone would ever stumble upon and benefit from that).

it was, and i think saying that is counter productive to start this thread amounts to "dont post about trans stuff on the forums", we dont have to have trans phobes in the comments, although if they turn up its probably more important to have resources like this

Noah Fence

radicalgraffiti

i would also add that if no one posts stuff about trans things in case in attracts the wrong kind of attention it basically means surrendering the forums to bigots. thats why i think its incredibly misguided to tell people in a marginalised group not to discuss issues surrounding it, thats been the general response in gaming spaces and look how thats gone

RG, you are absolutely right, yet if you look at Ticking Fool’s recent comments you can understand why they would not want to take part. If they don’t though, people like me that have practically no understanding of the issue at hand but genuinely would like to offer solidarity, will be the less able to do so, and much less able to challenge assholes who perpetuate such vile views in real life.

right, people who are trans are not obliged to comment, and seeing how libcom has been i could certainly see why they might not want to, but it would be good if we could create a supportive environment for those that do want to

Noah Fence

I chanced upon a video about work by a comic called Steve Hughes which was really on point. I then watched a few more vids and whilst he clearly wasn’t a radical of any sort, he had a pretty good critique of government, corporations and some aspects of social relations. He was also very funny. So I thought he was a good find.
Then I clicked on what turned out to be an interview and found myself listening to a vile rant about trans people, likening them to people that identify as unicorns! It really was unbelievable and as stupid as it was hateful.
Seriously, where does this extreme bigotry come from? What is it about trans stuff that brings out such fevered hatred and preposterous ideas and misunderstandings in even people that seem in other areas to take a sensible view of things?

i think as other areas of bigotory have been closed off as legitimate opinions trans people have become the symbols of everting the right hates, while the left and liberals have tended to ignore the issue allowing large amounts of anti trans discourse to pass its self off as common sense, especially since most people are not well informed about gender or biology

Noah Fence

I don’t normally pay much attention to such things but who is the fucking fool that down voted RGs comment? Ffs.

well it could be someone i've personally annoyed or it could be a committed transphobe, even a nazi, its one of the disadvantages of the current voting system that you dont know why someone down voted something, in my opinion removing down votes tends to reduce toxicity, although its far from the only factor

radicalgraffiti

it was, and i think saying that is counter productive to start this thread amounts to "dont post about trans stuff on the forums", we dont have to have trans phobes in the comments, although if they turn up its probably more important to have resources like this

I'm going off the current situation. I don't think you'd like reading hurtful comments as you're seeking help. I don't believe anyone "needed" this thread or was waiting for someone to share this info with us. (And what does that say about all of us who didn't start this thread?) If we're going to be at all consistent, with the criterion being "there might be someone out there who is crisis-prone," then we should start similar threads for them as well (or not). If you know of someone specifically then it would make more sense to message them directly.

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zugzwang

radicalgraffiti

it was, and i think saying that is counter productive to start this thread amounts to "dont post about trans stuff on the forums", we dont have to have trans phobes in the comments, although if they turn up its probably more important to have resources like this

I'm going off the current situation. I don't think you'd like reading hurtful comments as you're seeking help. I don't believe anyone "needed" this thread or was waiting for someone to share this info with us. (And what does that say about all of us who didn't start this thread?) If we're going to be at all consistent, with the criterion being "there might be someone out there who is crisis-prone," then we should start similar threads for them as well (or not). If you know of someone specifically then it would make more sense to message them directly.

my impression was this was aimed at people who have already read such comments on the other thread. its a thread about trans help lines because there was just a thread where people where being shity about trans issues, thats when this sort of thing is going to be most relevant to a forum, and thats why this issue

If anyone wants a trans (leftist) safe-space I can recommend this discord server that I am a mod of. Despite my username, it is a largely anarchist dominated.

There's a lot of information for young trans people on the Mermaids website, also for parents of trans young people too. They have a helpline on 0344 334 0550 Mon-Fri, 9am-9pm, and are great. Donating to them is a great thing cis people can do to support our trans comrades.