Work vs. Labour

Your statement seems to be correct. My friend (Google Ai) also added:
Philosophical Distinction (Werk vs. Arbeit): In some philosophical analyses of Marx, particularly concerning his theory of alienation, a distinction is drawn between Arbeit (labor as a physical, often alienated activity under capitalism) and Werk (a more holistic, creative, and fulfilling human activity or "work" in the sense of a creation or an accomplished project). While Marx primarily uses Arbeit (labor/activity) and Arbeitskraft (labor power/capacity to work) in his economic critique, the concept of unalienated human activity that results in an object reflecting the individual's personality (Werk) is part of the philosophical discussion surrounding his early manuscripts.
General usage: As a common German word, Werk appears in general references within his texts, such as a "work" of art or a completed project, and in discussions of production processes.

Dunno about this. From the Grauniad: “English "work" has an Indo-European stem werg-, via Greek ergon, meaning deed or action without punitive connotations; and Latin urgere, to press, bear down upon or compel. It is cognate with Gothic wrikan, to persecute, and Old English wrecan. Thus, in the word "work", violence is latent, and it appears in the form wreak, when we speak of wreaking havoc or vengeance. "Toil" derives from Old French, meaning argument or dispute, fight and struggle.”

I hate work and labour, and we’ll soon have robots (from the Czech for forced labour) to share the misery.

It’s here we’ll divide, I’m afraid. As Confucius said, they who seeks revenge digs two graves. Course, from Leninoid gulags to CNT-FAI work camps, they outsourced the digging, lazy shithouses. Love probably a more inclusive and substantive motivator.

I prefer leisure to be honest, less effort, less hostility.

goff wrote: It’s here we’ll divide, I’m afraid. As Confucius said, they who seeks revenge digs two graves. Course, from Leninoid gulags to CNT-FAI work camps, they outsourced the digging, lazy shithouses. Love probably a more inclusive and substantive motivator.

Never mind the fact that Chinese youths and revolutionaries rebelled against reactionary-imperial Confucianism in stuff like the New Culture Movement,[1] or other stuff like how the Western Federation of Miners took "class war" literally by actually arming themselves against mine operators who were themselves employing violent means (e.g. Pinkertons and militias, and the threat of starvation itself). Never mind also how things like struggles for improved working conditions or revolutions have rarely been without violence. You're seriously arguing for socialists to "love" capitalists out of existence (i.e. for workers to take a class-collaborationist approach)?

1. See novels like the anarchist/socialist Ba Jin's Family, which was an explicit attack on reactionary Confucianism (e.g. obedience toward elders and older generations in general).

As Confucius said, “It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.” I’d note your reforms were the easiest and most cauterising amongst your examples. I’m mostly arguing for anarcho-socialists to pack up their Class War FC Subbuteo figurines along with the rest of their spooks and get the fuck out of the way of the bitchin’ (in the far out, radical, skate sense, not gender) future movements to come. Marx backs me here; “The social revolution cannot take its poetry from the past but only from the future.”

And if you’re wondering, I’m bringing up fucking Confucius, isn’t that contradictory? Yes.

Westartfromhere, agree to disagree homie. When someone is leisured to death, I’ll reconsider.

goff wrote: As Confucius said, . . .

goff wrote: And if you’re wondering, I’m bringing up fucking Confucius, isn’t that contradictory? Yes. [yeah, it is.... explain maybe??]

You sound confused and make absolutely no sense, maybe because you're too busy trying to impress people with your flowery prose (totally working class!), quoting random authors, etc., instead of actually making sound arguments based on stuff like facts, history, and data. But it's nice to know that you're a "Confucian anarcho-socialist" who's in favor of a "peaceful road to socialism" and that you see no contradiction in invoking one of the ruling ideologies of imperial China that actual Chinese socialists rebelled against.

Adri, no offence, but there is someone out there that would enjoy your rational, logical, anal retentive Marxist-Terminus to and fro. That someone is not me.

But when in Rome, let’s bring this topic back on track again, and speak logically *spits*. Amazon are the 5th largest worldwide employer, 2nd in private sector. Internally they’re planning to automate 75% in less than a decade and where the top Yanks go, the world follows. If I know my unions, they’ll argue the misery belongs entirely to them, pro work, dignity of labour, knighted ex union chief crying on GMTV saying down with robos, you’ve seen the reruns by now. Problem is anti-work is already in the zeitgeist. Robos are here to stay, like them or not, they’re good at what they do and they’re maybe friendly. The precariat are probably going to do a screw face about going back into the warehouses to piss in bottles for shit pay. Would take a brave person to bring up the distinction between good work and bad labour at that point. We could actually back a winning horse here in advance. For once.