ICC online public meeting, 20 January: Against massacres and wars, what is the proletarian response?

Submitted by Alf on January 8, 2024

Massacres and wars in Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, Azerbaijan... Capitalism sows death! How can we stop it?

An online public meeting that will seek to place the intensification of war and destruction across the planet in its historic context: the decomposition of the capitalist mode of production. Faced with this spiral of barbarism, what response is needed from the working class and its internationalist minorities?
See our international leaflet on this topic: https://en.internationalism.org/content/17421/massacres-and-wars-israel-gaza-ukraine-azerbaijan-capitalism-sows-death-how-can-we

2pm-5pm, 20 January 2024.

If you want to take part, please write to us at [email protected]

westartfromhere

1 month 3 weeks ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on January 12, 2024

War and destruction is capital recomposing itself, not the "decomposition" of its mode of production.

Its decomposition is brought about by our class struggle against capitalist recomposition.

Alf

1 month 3 weeks ago

Submitted by Alf on January 13, 2024

Or, war and destruction in these days is capitalism that has reached the point where it can no longer recompose itself, no longer reconstruct, and is dragging our whole species towards extinction.
Come to the meeting and we can discuss this.

westartfromhere

1 month 2 weeks ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on January 14, 2024

[The bourgeosie] is dragging our whole species towards extinction.
Come to the meeting and we can discuss this.

Sounds like the End of Days! I better go stock up on baked beans and go dig my bunker instead. ;-)

Submitted by jaycee on January 22, 2024

westartfromhere wrote:

[The bourgeosie] is dragging our whole species towards extinction.
Come to the meeting and we can discuss this.

Sounds like the End of Days! I better go stock up on baked beans and go dig my bunker instead. ;-)

Are you just being a sarky bastard or do you actually doubt that capitalism poses a threat to human survival?

westartfromhere

1 month 1 week ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on January 23, 2024

It is no threat. The bourgeoisie and its mercenary vindicators take human life every day.

jaycee

1 month 1 week ago

Submitted by jaycee on January 23, 2024

Obviously capitalism has does and will kill people everyday and entire cultures, modes of life and millions of human beings have and will continue to be destroyed. But clearly there is a historical difference between this and the threat posed to human existence and an entire 'round' of evolution that capitalism poses today.

"Whoever kills any soul it is as if they have destroyed the whole world" etc

westartfromhere

1 month 1 week ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on January 24, 2024

Capitalism includes the labouring class, as well as the mercantile class. To say that "capitalism does and will kill" lets the latter, mass perpetrators of killing, off the hook.

The quote is badly translated. In the Hebrew mindset, the soul, one's essence, cannot be killed. Only one's existence can be extinguished. Perhaps the following is true?

Whoever kills any one part kills the whole.

westartfromhere

1 month 1 week ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on January 24, 2024

In answer to the question posed by the Internationalist Communist Current, What response is needed from the working class and its internationalist minorities (see footnote)?

This is one response:

Money for the World from all our pockets! All that remains for our own people is rubble and ashes.

Banner of proletariat converging on Berlin, Germany, to reject the displacement of food production to production of war.

FOOTNOTE: By "its internationalist minorities" we must assume this to mean those of the proletariat actively involved in struggles that cross inter-national borders.

westartfromhere

3 weeks 5 days ago

Submitted by westartfromhere on February 7, 2024

See, The historical moment that produced us: global revolution or recomposition of capital?, by Loren Goldner

http://insurgentnotes.com/2010/06/historical_moment/