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Standoff in Nevada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

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A 20-year legal dispute between the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and cattle rancher Cliven Bundy in southeastern Nevada over unpaid grazing fees eventually developed into an armed confrontation between protesters and law enforcement. The dispute began in 1993 when Bundy refused to pay bills to the US government for his cattle grazing on federal lands near Bunkerville, Nevada. Bundy was eventually prohibited from grazing his cattle on the land by an order issued in 1998 by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada in United States v. Bundy. After years of repeated violations of multiple court orders, in early April 2014 the BLM began rounding up Bundy's cattle that were trespassing on the land, confronted by protesters and armed supporters of Bundy.

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In media interviews, Bundy used the language of the sovereign citizen movement as a rallying call, beckoning support from members of the Oath Keepers, the White Mountain Militia and the Praetorian Guard.[25] Armed individuals and private militia members from across the United States joined peaceful protesters against the trespass cattle roundup in what has become known punningly as the Battle of Bunkerville.[3][26] BLM enforcement agents were dispatched in response to what was seen as threatening statements by Bundy, such as calling the events a "range war".[27] There was no armed battle and no shots were fired in the incident.

With many roads closed to insure safety during the cattle removal, designated First Amendment areas where protesters could safely congregate or exercise their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble were marked with signs and orange plastic fences adjacent to the road.[28][29] On April 8, 2014, Nevada Governor, Brian Sandoval issued a statement, calling for the removal of the First Amendment restrictions he described as offensive.[30] After stating that peaceful protests had crossed into illegal activity, the federal agencies allowed protesters to go anywhere on the public land as long as they were peaceful.[31]

On April 10, protesters crowded around a BLM convoy.[3] Bundy's sister was pushed to the ground by law enforcement.[32] A protester drove an ATV into a bureau truck driven by a civilian driver.[3] Officers protecting the truck driver had Tasers and police dogs.[3] Officers say a police dog was kicked.[3] The officers then tasered the ATV driver.[3] The protesters angrily confronted the rangers.[3]

On the morning of April 12, a heavily armed crowd rallied under a banner that read "Liberty Freedom For God We Stand".[25] Camouflaged militiamen stood at attention, communicating with earpieces. Most had signs, many of which chided "government thugs".[25] Addressing the protestors, Bundy said "We definitely don't recognize [the BLM director's] jurisdiction or authority, his arresting power or policing power in any way," and "We're about ready to take the country over with force!".[25] After the BLM announced a suspension of the roundup, Bundy suggested blocking a highway.[25] Armed protesters blocked a portion of Interstate 15 for over two hours causing traffic backups for three miles in both directions.[33] Protesters also converged at the mouth of Gold Butte, the preserve where the cattle were corralled, where a tense, hour-long standoff ensued.[25] Militiamen took position on a highway overpass, offering cover as horse-mounted wranglers led protesters to face off against heavily equipped BLM rangers and snipers.[25] After the standoff ended the militia promoted the use of human shields; former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, who was with the protesters, said that they were "strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they're gonna start shooting, it's going to be women that are gonna be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."[34]

bloody hell :/

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Apr 16 2014 20:14

to be honest I'm kinda surprised this hasn't garnered more attention - not here specifically but in general, most of my American friends don't seem to know or care about it.

in some ways it's a case study of the American far-right, with a clear thread running between the militia movement, the "sovereign citizen" style patriotic-conspiracy theorist scene, Tea Party activists, the fringes of the Republican party (including elected officials), and media like Fox News and certain radio hosts, all of whom have to varying degrees lent their backing to Bundy and the protestors (armed and/or unarmed).

comparisons to the 90s (specifically to things like Ruby Ridge and Waco in this case) seem tempting in some ways...

This article from CNN isn't great but does detail some of the more widely covered incidents of violence from the organised far-right, starting with a shooting at a Jewish community centre in Kansas. It also references a 2009 report (pdf) from the Department for Homeland Security.

What to make of all this?

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Apr 16 2014 22:39

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/16/bundy-supporters-reportedly-har...

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Apr 17 2014 13:29

Fairly interesting discussion of the American far right including Bundy here:

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/16/was_kansas_shooting_avoidable_whit...

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Apr 18 2014 21:44
jonthom wrote:
What to make of all this?

I think you nailed it here;

jonthom wrote:
in some ways it's a case study of the American far-right, with a clear thread running between the militia movement, the "sovereign citizen" style patriotic-conspiracy theorist scene, Tea Party activists, the fringes of the Republican party (including elected officials), and media like Fox News and certain radio hosts,

The far right is posed to be the pawns of the fringe GOP. That fringe GOP is going to experience the same frustrations with the Oath Keepers/Sovereign Citizens that the mainstream GOP experiences with the fringe. Basically, the fringe GOP will need to accommodate Oath Keeper bat-shittedness with their own and not all bat-shittedness mixes together homogeneously.

One thing I'd caution the class-struggle @'s against is taking the rise of this kooky shit as an impediment to building a working-class movement. The IWW operated at its height during a time of emboldened right-wing militia types who were then, the pawns of both the elite with direct economic interest in quashing certain struggles as well as a mainstream right.

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Apr 18 2014 20:08

http://irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-an...

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A second lesson from the conflict is the double standard employed by the federal government in enforcing its grazing laws. The treatment of Bundy stands in stark contrast to the human rights violations committed against Carrie and Mary Dann (Mary Dann passed in 2005) by the U.S. government. The Dann sisters, members of the Western Shoshone tribe, grazed cattle on their ancestral lands in what is now central Nevada. In contrast to the Bundy incident, where the federal government had clear jurisdiction over the lands, the Dann sisters exercised reserved rights to use the land under the 1863 Treaty of Ruby Valley – a treaty that ceded no lands to the United States, only granting the U.S. certain access rights to lands. The Indian Claims Commission – created in 1946 to “compensate” tribes for unfairly taken lands (but not return the lands) – decided that U.S. title to Western Shoshone lands had been obtained through gradual encroachment by whites – that is, United State’s title to the land was based on simply taking it!

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Apr 18 2014 21:42

Also referencing the Dann sisters. . .

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The memory of the proud Dann sisters standing up to demand that the Ruby Valley Treaty of 1863 be upheld. In 1979, the Us government offered the Western Shoshone miniscule amount of money to abandon their claims to the land. 80% of the Western Shoshone people voted against the settlement and the tribe, the nation, demanded the treaty be upheld. It has never been upheld. This situation is extremely troubling. The fact that the land that Cliven Bundy was grazing his cattle on was possibly on disputed Ruby Valley Treaty land that had been stolen from the Western Shoshone is more than ironic.

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Apr 19 2014 15:41

Wiki has a very good entry for it which by coincidence i had just been reading before visiting here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

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Apr 19 2014 15:42

Ooops i see someone already linked to wiki...

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Apr 19 2014 23:40

http://www.politicalresearch.org/2014/04/17/frazier-glenn-miller-the-ong...

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Apr 23 2014 22:42

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/23/back-at-the-bundy-ranch-more-mi...

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Apr 24 2014 15:21

Cliven Bundy is a massive pro-slavery racist shocker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html

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Apr 24 2014 21:13

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/24/mainstream-supporters-scatter-a...

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Apr 24 2014 21:44
fleurnoire-et-rouge wrote:
Cliven Bundy is a massive pro-slavery racist shocker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html

Its funny how in his eyes government subsidy caused black people to live worse then slaves, and yet he's so desperate for a form of government subsidy via access to state grazing lands. Does this mean he'd do better as a slave picking cotton?

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Apr 25 2014 10:42
fleurnoire-et-rouge wrote:
Cliven Bundy is a massive pro-slavery racist shocker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html

At the bottom of the story, there is gallery of pictures. The first one has a collection of placards. One of those placards has a quote from an old Woody Guthrie song, "This Land is Your Land".

Woodie (who was a Wobbly) would be rolling in his grave.

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Apr 25 2014 12:27

A bit of satire that highlights the issues the fringe GOP is already experiencing with the militia-right.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/04/republicans...

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Apr 27 2014 09:28
Ablokeimet wrote:
fleurnoire-et-rouge wrote:
Cliven Bundy is a massive pro-slavery racist shocker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html

At the bottom of the story, there is gallery of pictures. The first one has a collection of placards. One of those placards has a quote from an old Woody Guthrie song, "This Land is Your Land".

Woodie (who was a Wobbly) would be rolling in his grave.

You know who else tried to use that as a campaign song? George W. effin' Bush.

But I agree, it's painful. The apparently unconscious co-optation of a socialist anthem. I mean, Jesus, just listen to the lyrics!

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Apr 27 2014 15:13

They probably both remember the kids' satire:

This land is my land
This land ain't your land
If you don't get off
I'll blow your head off...

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Apr 28 2014 02:42

Just a quick myth to bust, Woody was never a member of the IWW, but rather was on the fringe of the CPUSA.

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Apr 28 2014 08:36

Bundy denies that he is racists.

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Apr 28 2014 15:44

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bundy-ranch-uncensored

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A self-trained lawyer tells me the same. He adds that Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. “That’s what they do with all their clients.”

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Apr 28 2014 20:13
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http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bundy-ranch-uncensored

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A self-trained lawyer tells me the same. He adds that Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. “That’s what they do with all their clients.”

Hmmm looks like Bundy's attracted some Larouchians to add to the mix.

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Apr 29 2014 09:46

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bundy-ranch-uncensored

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The crowd, fresh off their victory at the Battle of Bunkerville, gives Bundy a standing ovation. But he doesn’t seem pleased. He reproaches the crowd for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter – which he says is being delivered through him. They failed, for example, to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.

"The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.”

Um, seems like Bundy is getting kind of cult-y?

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Apr 29 2014 09:55

Bundy is a figure somewhere at the (right-wing) fringes of official Mormonism, according to Daily Kos, he is a big fan of Cleon Skousen

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Apr 29 2014 13:57

Send in the drones...

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Apr 29 2014 14:02
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Send in the drones...

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Apr 30 2014 21:24

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/30/back-at-the-bundy-ranch-its-oat...

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As you can see in the video below, the angry militiamen – led by a Montana “Patriot” named Ryan Payne, who has been acting as the spokesman for the militiamen at the ranch – held an impromptu gathering at the camp to discuss the situation. They openly talk about shooting Rhodes and other Oath Keepers leaders – because in their view, the Oath Keepers’ actions constituted “desertion” and “cowardice” – and describe how “the whole thing is falling apart over there.” At the end, they vote unanimously to oust the Oath Keepers, or at least its leadership, from the Bundy Ranch camp.

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May 1 2014 10:18

from that spl piece

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Alias also tried to explain the incoming-drone rumor:
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Yes, it is true: Oath Keepers received a bizarre bit of leaked info which could not be verified but which also could not be ignored. Our contact is connected with the Department of Defense – or ‘was’. The info we received stated that Eric Holder of the Department of Justice had okayed a drone strike on the Bundy ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada, within a 48 hour period over the weekend of April 26/27, 2014.
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That, fortunately, turned out to be ‘dis-info’ – a false rumor. And though it came from a trusted source, Oath Keepers could neither prove nor disprove it.
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In the ensuing panic at the camp, “Oath Keepers advised people there to consider evacuation,” Alias said. He referred to the angry reaction of the militiamen as “backwash”.

LOL. Remember kids - you heard it here first.

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May 2 2014 14:19

meanwhile in Montana: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/05/01/montanas-natural-man-defies-cou...

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“Do not tell me to shut up! I am the living, natural man, and my voice will be heard!”

has the Outlaw moved to the States?

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has the Outlaw moved to the States?

Nope. I heard he was railing against SolFed for refusing to join in common cause with the Living Man though.

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May 6 2014 14:25

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/horsford-tells-sheriff-sandoval-move-m...

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Horsford said another man called Bundy a “welfare rancher” who’s living off taxpayer subsidies while getting rich by running cattle on public land.