A discussion about the current crisis/crises in the ICC AWAY from their forums seems necessary.
One of many reasons for this is that free discussion is currently being stifled there. As some may have notice posts disappear and re-appear over weeks and months and the only explanation users of the forums are given is the "spam filter". Not sure how long this has been taking place, i.e. how long the "spam filter" has been turned on to these "settings".
In the interests of fairness we should give the ICC a chance to explain itself. But in my editorial opinion this "spam filter" is a boat load of bullshit. It can be anticipated how the ICC will respond to this–they will blame actual spam, which happens on their site like every other forum on the internet, from time to time, or they will blame hostile elements whose intention is not fair discussion but solely to attack and demean the ICC.
Given the ICC's behavior over the last 5-10 years they have fair grounds for doing so. But the idea that the ICC is "fostering a culture of debate" on their web forums is a load of crap. When ICC comrades intervene on the site 9/10 times it's for the purpose of defending ICC positions and bludgeoning us with repetitive, robotic lines from their literature. The minority opinions are rarely granted serious consideration, which seems to be a ongoing trend in the organization.
The truth about the ICC forums is that they never had the full support of the organization. And obviously they've never come close to the full participation of the organization. We have to wonder, especially after the Turkish ex-sections statement, which elements of the ICC support the usage of the open internet for discussion and organizational purposes and which don't.
It seems safe to assume the "conservative" tendency doesn't want the forums. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say the expansionist/"opportunist" elements have attempted to use it a recruitment tool.
Beyond the obvious irony of the situation, it also seems quite ironic that the majority of the most committed users of the ICC forums are NOT ICC members. Yet despite all this the forums are being masqueraded around the web as the "public face" of the ICC. This couldn't be further from the truth. This is why I'm begging users on that forum to stop contributing to it.
The reason why ties in to major issues that affect the whole milieu. The ICC is dangerously dissimulating itself as the only hope for left communists, and even for the whole working class. If that's the case we are so utterly and entirely fucked that it's no wonder people have started calling themselves "nihilist communists".
It's incredibly disturbing that when talking with the ICC if you point out the age of most of the comrades in the organization–you are a generationalist. If you point out they are almost exclusively European and male, you are a racist and a sexist, even though it is the ICC platform that denounces everything but patriarchy. Coincidence or causality?
The ICC's behavior and propaganda is leading to atrocious attitudes like these:
Personally, I think some of the criticisms are overblown...
The departure of the ICC's Turkish section...doesn't matter much. I get the feeling that they never really belonged as a section...the biggest problem they had was that of language...The "serious problems" brought up yet again...revolved yet again around "the woman" whoever she is and what ever she did or didn't do.
I do not see any reason to discussion with people who do not follow basic rules of comradely discussion...the ICC should not be a Good Samaritan. If these people did not want to discuss...the ICC just need to say goodbye...
If ICC is in trouble so is the working class.
The ICC and the ICT are all we have as class conscious workers.
I've always found a bit of kiss ass always makes everybody feel better!
In the past, the ICC has always reported on its internal crises.
What is extremely worrisome is the attitude towards ICC in this time of crisis. Some people show outright hostility and even joy with the sight of crisis in the ICCs. Some are treating the ICC as if it is an old dog that should be put to sleep. Many don't seem to even care. These reactions are just expressions of a pure anti-social petty bourgeois nihilism.
...The ICC...is the healthiest and most important internationally centralized communist organization...I think defending the ICC is very much a moral responsibility. Communists have to defend the ICC in any capacity they can. Can ICC succeed in its goals?...I think these are only secondary questions and perhaps even insignificant ones. We need to be a bit Hegelian on this point, because in some historical struggles only by entering the fight we can develop healthy guesses on the outcome of the struggle.
Mikail seems to have taken Link's advice to heart. He also is not an ICC militant.
Why the sniping at and dissing of the ICC’s attempts to understand and deepen issues of ethics and morality?
Because this "morality" is clearly being used to defend a conservative and monolithic organization.
I just wanted to express my support for the uncompromising and lucid posts by mikhail and KT...
I support the very positive position of Mikail above and other such positive posts.