War between Syria and Turkey?

A few hours ago, a bomb has stroke a house in a small turkish village in Urfa near the Syrian border killing 5 people including at least two children and their mother.

A few hours ago, a bomb has stroke a house in a small Turkish village in Urfa near the Syrian border killing 5 people including at least two children and their mother. An angry crowd marched to the government buildings in the town and many violent clashes occurred between the people and the police. The Turkish state was openly supporting the so called "insurgents" which were mostly Islamist militia and locals were angry about this, feeling that this was an imperialistic intervention towards a friendly people. Especially in majority Alavite (a non-Sunni non-orthodox Muslim sect which is also Baas' and Esad's religious sect) towns (such as Antakya) there were mass demonstrations against Turkish military support for the insurgency.

On the other hand, the government seems to be planning to intervene militarily using this last incident as an excuse. One of the government ministers already told that, "this was the last drop and we will react accordingly." In some Turkish tv channels it is said that Turkey has bombed Idlib in Syria. I will try to update this as soon as I learn more.

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mikail firtinaci
Oct 3 2012 20:09

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klas batalo
Oct 3 2012 20:41

yes looks like turkey has struck back. msm reports saying they did so after telling UN/NATO they would. Hilary Clinton denounced the syrian strike.

looks like shit is gonna escalate.

mikail firtinaci
Oct 3 2012 22:34

Turkey is playing a Machiavellian game. The Turkish government was obviously provoking Syria by opening its borders with Syria (many journalists are telling that) and hence letting the Islamists to fight. Many Islamist fighters are fighting in Syria during the day and returning to Turkey to the camps allotted to them by the government. So this incident was not surprising at all. In fact this is not the last time a bomb has fell on a Turkish village or town close to the border... However government did not care at all and there were a lot of demonstrations in the border regions against the Turkish governments policies.

Entdinglichung
Oct 4 2012 15:33

Turkey also does not like that some border areas in Syria have been taken over by Kurdish forces

mikail firtinaci
Oct 4 2012 16:11
Entdinglichung wrote:
Turkey also does not like that some border areas in Syria have been taken over by Kurdish forces

That is spot on. Turkish government expressed overtly its concern for the northeastern region of the Syria which is mostly under the control of PKK's Syria wing right now. My impression is, it is possible to expect a Turkish military operation to northeast Syria against the PKK basis and towns.

Also as of today, the Turkish parliament ratified a bill giving the government legal excuse for an intervention in Syria.

Entdinglichung
Oct 7 2012 12:39

http://supportkurds.org/news/saturday-6-october-2012/

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The Kurdish Youth Movement (TCK): ?”We respect the Syrian revolution and we are engaged in it (peacefully), that’s of a great honor for us doing it”.

A call to all honorable Syrian Kurds… Let us make Qamishlo stay far from destruction and sabotage under the name of lebiration.. it doesn’t need your liberty, you opposition . People of Qamishlo are only the ones who decide to do it, and you have to return (where the regime falls) .. this will not bring the regime down when draging the Kurds into the midst of fatal war. Go taking your bombs to the tyrant there; we are far from the destructive culture of revenge .. We believe in a culture of tolerance without surrender. When Saddam, the glorified man by you, annihilated the Kurds, we had never done an explosive act under the name of religion in Baghdad or any of Saddam cities . We respect the Syrian revolution and we are engaged in it (peacefully), that’s of a great honor for us doing it. We will not accept humiliation any more . We will show our pure culture and spirit filled with peace and safety. We will get victory through this culture as we did in Iraq. We respect every single drop of the Syrian blood. Will the regime fall if we carry the weapon? Is it not enough that we embraced our brothers from Deir-ezzor, Homs, amd other Syrian cities? Do you want to displace and destroy the rest of the cities? Let me remind you???who push to engage the Kurdish areas in the war??? of (Mahatma Gandhi), we never forget Mahatma Gandhi, the spiritual leader of India, and the spiritual leader of the peaceful revolution that led to India’s independence from Britain. Just go to where the regime falls (we brought down both the regime and the opposition for a long time ago ).

Kurdish autonomy in Syria troubling for rebels, Turkey: With the Syrian rebellion has come a rise in Kurdish autonomy. The rebels have tense relations with the Kurds, and Turkey fears northern Syria may become a haven for the Kurdish militia the PKK. By Los Angeles Times October 5, 2012.

AFRIN, Syria —This tranquil town in northwest Syria is a haven from the warfare convulsing much of the country, but the calm points to profound challenges facing the country — and the entire region — when the fighting ends.

The laid-back guards at the checkpoints are Kurdish militiamen. The mustachioed man whose image greets visitors is Abdullah Ocalan, who is serving a life sentence in a Turkish prison for his leadership role in the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, a group deemed a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and the European Union.

Here, the PKK is widely lauded as the vanguard of Kurdish nationalism, a movement that has unsettled countries in the area for decades. In recent months, the de facto “liberation” of Syrian Kurdish communities like Afrin has ranked among the most unanticipated and broadly significant outcomes of the Syrian rebellion.

Newly established Kurdish control here presents a quandary for Syria’s Sunni Arab-led rebel movement, which has a tense relationship with the Kurds, and for whatever government emerges should Syrian President Bashar Assad fall. It also has troubled Turkey, which this week fired artillery into Syria after apparently errant cross-border shelling killed Turkish villagers. Turkey, a regional power and NATOmember, appears to have few good options.

The cross-border shelling illustrated how Turkey’s relationship with Assad, who had kept Syria’s Kurds in check, has crumbled. But Assad’s weakness and possible fall from power present Turkey with an even more dismaying prospect: a swath of northern Syria firmly under control of the PKK.

Turkey has waged a long and bloody war against the Kurdish group on its own territory, and has suffered a recent surge in PKK attacks. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened to attack Kurdish areas of Syria if they become a haven for the PKK, one-third of whose fighters, according to a recent study, are of Syrian origin.

For now, conflict seems far away from Kurdish towns like this agricultural hub, known for its olives and pomegranates and dotted with craggy hills featuring the toppled remnants of Roman temples, early Christian basilicas and medieval citadels.

While battles rage in Aleppo, just 40 miles to the southeast, markets here are lively and, in the evenings, men at animated eateries sip arak, the clear, anise-flavored liquor that turns cloudy when mixed with ice and water.

Assad’s stretched forces gradually withdrew, culminating in a near-total pullout in July that occurred with barely a shot being fired, Kurdish leaders say.

“We didn’t suffer a drop of blood,” boasts Atouf Abdo, a coordinator here with the Democratic Union Party, or PYD, a close ally of the PKK and the dominant Kurdish faction here.

Nearby, rebel-held Arab cities like Azzaz and Al Bab have become doleful and depopulated battlegrounds, rubble-strewn ghost towns where remaining residents dart for cover when fighter jets buzz overhead. But the main evidence here of the war raging nearby are thousands of Arab refugees, most of them women and children. Kurdish leaders say that noncombatants have been welcomed, but that they have kept out armed rebels.

Kurdish aspirations for more autonomy, or outright independence, have long perturbed Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

Officially, Syria has more than 2 million Kurds, about 10% of the national population. Kurdish activists claim the real number approaches 20%.

At least 4,000 Syrian Kurds have been killed while fighting for the PKK, according to Kurdish activists here.

Many Turkish officials view the PYD as nothing more than a front for their archenemy, the PKK. Some Turkish officials call the Syrian government’s withdrawal a deliberate strategy by Assad to embolden PKK sympathizers here to strike back at Turkey to retaliate for Ankara’s support of the rebellion. Kurdish leaders here reject suggestions that they collaborated with Assad.

Kurdish representatives said they seek a measure of self-rule within Syria, not independence. The dispersed nature of Syria’s Kurds — the densest population lives nearly 300 miles east of Afrin — makes a separate Kurdish Syrian state unlikely. One aim of Kurdish leadership is to begin formal Kurdish-language instruction in schools.

“We’re looking for a democratic, pluralistic state and to isolate the state from religion,” said Mustafa Hussein, an activist here with the Kurdish National Council, an umbrella group.

Mutual mistrust characterizes relations between the Kurds and Syria’s Sunni Arab majority. Kurds say they also have faced discrimination during much of the 40-plus-year reign of the Assad family, who are members of the Alawite minority, an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Once Syria’s rebellion erupted in March 2011, Assad’s administration generally sought to placate the Kurds, part of a broader effort to present the government as a defender of minorities. Still, many Kurds blamed the government for the assassination last year of a celebrated Kurdish pro-democracy activist, Mashaal Tammo.

Kurdish officials say they sympathize with efforts to overthrow Assad. But wariness abounds about Arab nationalism in general, and what many here view as the increasingly Islamist face of the Syrian rebellion. Kurds, like most Syrians, are predominantly Sunni Muslims, but Kurdish activists here say their region has a strong secular tradition.

“As the revolution has continued over a long period, it has opened the door to more extreme ideology,” said Hussein of the Kurdish National Council.

Many Kurds see the rebel Free Syrian Army and its supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood, the pan-Arab political movement, as hostile to their aspirations.

Checkpoints manned by Kurdish militiamen line the roads and deny access to rebel forces. Kurdish “self defense” units have been receiving basic military training in Iraq’s quasi-autonomous Kurdistan.

PYD forces provide police and other services and appear in control of the infrastructure, somewhat to the chagrin to other Kurdish groups. The PYD, the most militarized Kurdish faction, has faced charges of using strong-arm tactics to put down rival Kurdish factions, allegations it generally denies.

Asked about the rebel fight to oust Assad, Mohammad Jarnas, 42, a teacher here affiliated with the PYD, responded, “Their struggle is a legitimate one, but it is a bit chaotic. It is not our fight now.”

Kurdish leaders view Assad’s fall as a matter of time, and they are preparing for what they view as an inevitable violent scramble for power among various Sunni Arab factions, all hostile to Kurdish self-governing aspirations.

“We will not hesitate to defend the rights of the Kurdish people,” says Abdo, the PYD coordinator here. “The arming of the Kurdish people is a fact, in every Kurdish village. We will defend ourselves.”