The unsurprising reason Jonathan Pie rants sound straight out of Spiked

If you've ever thought that Jonathan Pie's contrived rants sounded like they could've been written by someone from a left-liberal rag obsessed with getting speaking gigs for fascists, you were right.

Submitted by libcom on February 6, 2018

Jonathan Pie emerged in 2015 as a fictional news reporter who lets his own 'left wing' views spill out into his reporting amongst a barrage of swearing. It turns out the people behind him have some interesting real-life connections.

On 2nd February 2018, in response to Bristol Antifa's heckling a speech given by ultra-conservative Jacob Rees-Mogg, Jonathan Pie tweeted 'Antifascists acting like fucking fascists. Grow the fuck up you stupid cunts'.

Neither the sweary tone nor the boilerplate liberal catchphrases are out of character for Jonathan Pie: in another video he blames Brexit and Trump's election on left-wing censorship (rather than, you know, years of the majority of print and television media fomenting racism against migrants and Muslims, which interestingly doesn't get a mention) saying that "It's time to stop banning people from speaking at universities" and that if people are 'triggered' by his comments, they can "fuck off to [their] safe space."

That these preoccupations (supposed left-wing censoriousness, especially at universities) dovetail those of the notoriously awful Spiked Online is no coincidence. Andrew Doyle, co-writer of Pie alongside Tom Walker, has written over 20 articles for Spiked Online between August 2015 and January 2018.

This obviously isn't the result high-end detective work on our part; the Jonathan Pie website mentions Andrew Doyle as a co-writer and it was easy to figure out from there. We're just not in the habit of googling shit 'comedy' acts, so hadn't realised the connection. But, then again, neither have most people.

Spiked is perhaps best known for its university 'free speech' rankings, published annually and reported both gleefully and uncritically by Britain's broadsheets. Yet, for anyone who spends five minutes examining them, one of the factors they count against institutions is simply having a 'bullying and harassment' policy. Worth panicking about censorship over?

Doyle's own articles on Spiked contain lines such as:

It’s a sobering reminder that bad ideas are only defeated through language and debate. Political violence is an oxymoron. The hostile modus operandi of groups such as Antifa has alienated those who might otherwise be sympathetic, as well as enabling white supremacists to portray themselves as martyrs.

We've covered why this is a hopelessly bad take before, but suffice to say that Jonathan Pie's tweet precisely reflects Andrew Doyle's views rather than simply being 'comedy'.

The conflation of any attempt to protest a serving politician with 'fascism' ignores what the politics and methods of fascism actually are. For example, the Traditional Britain Group, whose dinner Rees-Mogg attended in 2013 and later apologised for (even though he had been informed by anti-fascists beforehand), would like to repatriate all black Britons to Africa and the Caribbean and halt immigration. It does so by lobbying Tory politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg at expensive dinners.

So who here is acting 'like a fascist'? People taking part in a protest against a politician or the far-right lobbyists wining and dining the hard-right of the Tory Party? More than anything, Jonathan Pie's writers show a lack of understanding about what fascism actually is.

What's more, there seems to be a complete double-standard as to what counts as an attack on free speech and who deserves to be defended.

In 2011 Rees-Mogg called for public sector strikers to be summarily sacked. More recently Rees-Mogg met with Steve Bannon, until recently editor of Breitbart and former chief strategist to Donald Trump. While editor of Breitbart, Bannon described that he wanted the news site to be "the platform for the alt-right". Bannon was also in post at the White House when Trump issued an executive order immediately banning citizens of seven-Muslim majority countries from entering the US, resulting in even long-term US residents with Green cards being detained and deported on arrival, and protests at airports from New York to Birmingham, Alabama.

For Doyle and his alter-ego Pie, political violence is an anathema, showing they have no critique of state violence at all. In this formulation, heckling someone is bad but calling for strikers to be sacked in parliament is fine - despite mass sackings of strikers having considerably more implications for free speech. Heckling is like fascism but the poster boy of the Tory hard right meeting a man who ran a multi-million dollar far-right news website and was part of a government which detained and deported people based on the country they were arriving from doesn't merit a mention.

Of course, if you reduce 'acting like fascists' to 'doing banal things that fascists also do' then it seems unfair not to mention that Jonathan Pie himself had a show on the British arm of Russian state television network Russia Today from 2015 to 2016. RT is known for regularly interviewing fascists and white supremacists, such as Richard Spencer 1, 2. 3 4, 5 6, Matthew Heimbach 1 and 'third-positionist' Alexander Dugin 1. An alternative explanation for the rising public profile of Spencer et al would need to take into account their promotion by RT and liberal-left publications such as Mother Jones in the US, something which has been happening since 2012, long before Spencer got punched.

If 'doing something that fascists might also have done' is the test for being as bad as the fascists, and we exclude things like breathing air or eating or wearing coats in winter, does attacking the left on RT count? Doyle himself described the moment when he woke up to Trump supporters sharing aforementioned Jonathan Pie video all over social media following the US election result with this remark:

In any case, I consider it a small victory that so many Trump supporters are now sharing a video that refers to their hero as a "pussy-grabbing, wall-building, climate-change-denying, healthcare-abolishing, tax-dodging, shit-spewing demagogue".

Interesting that Doyle mentions clime change denial. You know which, publication has a history of climate change denial and supporting fossil fuel development?.

In his HuffPost article Doyle laments:

I'm more convinced than ever that part of the problem is an over-emphasis on identity politics at the expense of the class struggle. Identity politics is not necessarily progressive. It's a bourgeois fig leaf, an illusion of progress that distracts from the realities of economic inequality.

Unfortunately, as with many other 'left' critics of identity politics, Doyle fails to articulate what a class politics might be. Later in the article he waxes lyrical about social mobility - exactly the sort of 'bourgeois fig leaf' that New Labour was very fond of. When we talk about class politics at libcom we mean abolishing the class system, not just encouraging Oxbridge admissions from (white) working class grammar school boys like John Major.

Heckling and even physical confrontation of politicians is nothing new. In 1909 suffragette Theresa Garnett horsewhipped Winston Churchill on a train platform in Temple Meads shouting "Take that in the name of the insulted women of England!" If the Bristol anti-fascists were acting like fascists, then no doubt so was Theresa Garnett? Churchill would later send 10,000 soldiers armed with machine guns, six tanks and a 4.5 inch Howitzer to Glasgow in 1919 to break the 40-hours strike. Whether that would count as 'acting like fascists' is unclear.

Twenty years ago Chumbawamba drummer Danbert Nobacon threw a bucket of ice water over John Prescott at the 1998 Brit awards shouting "That's for the Liverpool dockers!" (who had been on strike since 1995, but had been stonewalled by the then new New Labour government and eventually had to concede defeat). The mainstream press mostly laughed off 'two-jags' Prescott in the late '90s.

Recent years have seen an increased boldness among both far-right street movements and their chauvinistic representatives. Any response, whether physical opposition to fascism or the mild heckling of MPs, is being met with increasing hysteria. Publications like Spiked, and sockpuppet comedy aliases like Jonathan Pie, provide left-liberal cover for far-right nationalists: not only do they discourage any direct action in opposition, but they actually encourage us to allow space for bigots to spread their message. And they've got the nerve to call us stupid cunts?




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Submitted by Laika on February 18, 2018

Interesting that Spiked promotes climate change denial - its predecessor Living Marxism magazine was set up by a bunch of weird libertarians the LM Group - they were funded by the GM Food industry. LM Group also set up the Institute of Ideas which now seems to have morphed into IAI (Institute for Art and Ideas) - this is the organisation behind "the world's largest philosophy festival" How The Light Gets In (Chomsky's there this year).

IAI's website features a video titled Corruption and Climate Change ("Is there enough evidence to support man-made climate change?"). There's also a video in which Spiked editor Brendon O'Neill and Hilary Lawson appear together - Lawson promotes How The Light Gets In, he also made a few Equinox docs for Channel 4 including The Greenhouse Conspiracy (a conspiracy to promote false claims supporting climate change).

LM Group leaders Frank Furedi and Claire Fox also appear on the website and at the festival. I'd be interested to know who funds this lot now.


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Submitted by Croy on February 18, 2018

Wow I totally didn't know about this. I'd shared some videos of his in the past, a lot of his anti tory material is fairly un objectionable. Thanks for drawing attention to this, won't make the same mistake again.


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Submitted by gerbil on May 8, 2018

For those with long memories of the UK revolutionary Left, Spiked is the latest manifestation of the vanguardist Trotskyist sect that started out life as the Revolutionary Communist Party in the late 70s. Together with its more 'intellectual' sibling, the Institute of Ideas, it's run by the same tight cadre as ran the RCP back in the 80s, under the eminence grise of Frank Furedi. It's most (in)famous for media entryism and for spawning a multitude of front organisations, and is all over the UK media like a bad rash.

More info and gossip on the LM Group on SourceWatch, Powerbase, and RCP/LM Watch. Once you pop info on the RCP/LM, you just can't stop.

R Totale

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Submitted by R Totale on May 9, 2018

RCP/LM/Spiked watchers may be interested to see that O'Neill is set to appear alongside infowars/Red Ice alt-right conspiracy theorist Patrick Henningsen at the Merthyr Rising "festival of working-class culture and resistance". (Sorry for no link, on phone but easy to google.) Someone put real effort into coming up with the most obnoxious lineup possible for that thing, you have to feel sorry for the longdead valleys miners the whole thing is supposedly commemorating.

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Submitted by Noah Fence on May 9, 2018

There is another highly suspicious aspect of this Pie - it’s my understanding that comedy characters/sketches are supposed to actually be funny, aren’t they?

Mike Harman

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Submitted by Mike Harman on May 9, 2018

R Totale

RCP/LM/Spiked watchers may be interested to see that O'Neill is set to appear alongside infowars/Red Ice alt-right conspiracy theorist Patrick Henningsen at the Merthyr Rising "festival of working-class culture and resistance". (Sorry for no link, on phone but easy to google.) Someone put real effort into coming up with the most obnoxious lineup possible for that thing, you have to feel sorry for the longdead valleys miners the whole thing is supposedly commemorating.

Good timing with his post on the Socialism of fools just a month ago, except of course he probably thinks it's a moral duty to share platforms with anti-Semites.

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Submitted by Mark Saulys on August 24, 2018

Jonathan Pie's positions vary quite a bit from Sp!Jed's. He may share their concern for free speech, as many lefties do, but Pie is a real lefty not a fake one or a Right Winger in lefty clothing like Sp!ked.

R Totale

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Submitted by R Totale on June 9, 2019

Doyle has a new venture:


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Submitted by Jim on June 9, 2019

There were at least two more extreme alt-right people present. Michael Brooks and Lucy Brown are both whining on Twitter about "journalism standards" being broken (they haven't) because of that article. They both got mentioned but neither of them were named (perhaps deliberately?).

According to Hope Not Hate, Brooks has described himself as “14 and 88” in Facebook chats and was more recently a volunteer for racist vlogger Carl Benjamin's failed MEP campaign. I once saw Brooks wearing an 'Anti-Communist Action' t-shirt and flag as a cape.

Brown was Tommy Robinson's former camera woman and is now trying to build a career as an alt-right vlogger. Brown has recently revealed she's close to neo-Nazi Mark Collett after having a meltdown on his YouTube channel (this was in an interview with Colin Robertson where she clarified how she's on the fence about the JQ rather than against it being discussed). She is also producing videos for her YouTube channel hoping they will lead to the arrests of anti-fascists.