The recent announcement by Islam4UK for a demonstration at Wootton Bassett has caused the intended media flap and reactions from many sides and the far right are about to capitalise on it.
The recent announcement by Anjem Choudary for a demonstration at Wootton Bassett has caused the intended media flap and reactions from many sides. Knight in White Supremacist Armour Nick Griffin of the BNP is going to manfully oppose it by physically blocking the road with Richard Barnbrook and Andrew Brons. Given the amount of free lunches Griffin is now swilling down at the EU trough, he could probably do this by himself. The English Defence League (EDL) immediately issued a call to arms and their forum claims 1200 new members following the announcement; Gordon Brown said that the march would be “completely inappropriate” (Steady on!); members, families and supporters of the armed forces were understandably insulted; and the Muslim community is under enough pressure without this unnecessary provocation raising more anti-Islamic sentiment.
A Facebook group set up and gathered ½ million members claiming that it is “not an anti-Muslim group. This is a non-political group.” The creator Jo Cleary is a supporter of British troops but Michael Parker, one of the admins, is an admirer of Nick Griffin and Stuart Toman, another admin, is a member of “If you live in England, speak English” group. Whatever Cleary’s intentions, it is clear that the event is going to be hijacked by members of the far-right and not only Griffin but the more extreme and violently racist crowd.
Choudary has done this kind of thing before but on a much smaller scale. In October Islam4UK announced a march in central London which they then called off following ‘threats.’ An interesting side note is that the EDL and Combat 18 turned up to oppose it and had a slight spat which ended in one C18 member getting hit with a fire extinguisher and this has caused bad blood ever since between them.
Islam4UK
Islam4UK are connected to the illegal Al Muhajiroun who advocate Sharia law and are pro-Al Qaeda. I4UK also kicked off the fuss in England about the Danish cartoons which only helped circulate them more widely. Most people would never have seen them if he had not started on about it. That deliberate provocation is part of Choudary’s strategy (whatever that may be) is clear by the group’s antagonistic choice of name. He knows that the decision to march is an inflammatory one and that it could well be banned. If it goes ahead it will certainly be closely contained by the cops and massively opposed by local residents, ex-members of the armed forces, their families and their supporters. The BNP and the EDL have already announced their intentions. If it is banned then Choudary will have achieved a pretty unique media scoop by simply writing a letter. It is not necessary to be a fervent militarist to see that this march is 1/ stupid, 2/ deliberately calculated, 3/ publicity guaranteed and 4/ that it will end in tears.
The Islam4UK website is currently down but the Telegraph quotes some unrealistic demands that seem suspicious. They want to turn Buckingham Palace into a mosque, ban alcohol and flog drunks: they have more chance of opening a McDonalds in Mecca. All these demands are impossible and clearly provocative which begs the question, what are they actually doing and for whom? Without getting too conspiracy theorist, do they really think they can make the UK an Islamic state? Are these actions for publicity? And if so for what purpose? To publicise the ‘Islamic movement’? Magnify the ego of a vain Messianic? Or does the publicity attract violent extremists into a context where they be easily monitored by the state in the same way that Combat 18 was alleged to have been. That Choudary is in direct pay of the state is unlikely, although he does sign on, but it is not a difficult task to infiltrate and coerce a group using agents. It is documented that state agencies have been trying to recruit Muslims faced with legal difficulties, prison sentences or deportation orders to spy on their communities. Or perhaps the state agencies know that these groups often form, fragment and crumble by themselves with only a little ‘guidance’ to prevent mass outrage. Are they sitting back observing an essentially deluded gang of idiots full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?
Nazi Chat
As usual the Nazi forums have got a lot to say on the matter. On NWN one said:
“could Mr Choudary be working for the secret services to whip up enough hatred against them that the British people won't bat an eyelid when our army bombs Iran?”
And another replied:
“My thoughts exactly, whatever the reasoning, the march shouldn't be allowed.”
Over on VNN one poster fretted about possible negative publicity: “EDL and co - PLEASE stay away. A photo of one of you lot giving Roman [sic] salutes behind Nick, Andrew or Richard is NOT NEEDED!”
Nick Griffin’s publicity statement co-opts the Spanish anti-fascist No Pasaran! which has annoyed some posters and the National Front are miffed at Griffin’s stunt claiming that this was “our idea first” before accusing Griffin of being a “splitter.” They then ask that the BNP stand with them on the frontline but the idea of Nick Griffin joining hands with the likes of Eddy Morrison and the NF is as bizarre as it is unrealisable.
At the time of going to press Choudary has said he will call off the march if I4UK can meet Gordon the Brown to discuss Afghanistan. Again, this is dancing in the media spotlight to a very feeble tune: the idea that Brown would talk to him is clearly a non-starter and Choudary knows it. After all, he represents very, very few people. And so does Choudary. This impossible demand will keep Islam4UK in the spotlight that they crave. If the march goes ahead there is the potential of violent altercation between marchers and protestors, EDL/BNP doing battle with the cops or each other and any other counter-counter-demonstrators that turn up. Choudary’s actions will only encourage more racist sentiment in the UK and do little to hinder the cause of the BNP. Alongside the publicity for Islam4UK will be that for the BNP and the EDL who will capitalise on areas of racist tension for their own nefarious ends. It’s a publicity win/win for all concerned: Choudary gets his; the BNP and EDL get theirs, even the NF were on the front of the Swindon Advertiser. The far-right want this kind of thing to happen to ‘unite’ in a ‘common cause’ with people who ordinarily find their views abhorrent by showing “the true face of Islam.”
Conclusion
Does Choudary really think the UK will convert wholesale to Islam? And if it won’t, which it clearly won’t, then why waste all this time and effort? And if the UK is so bloody awful why stay? Given these unrealistic demands, what is he really doing and who for?
Anarchists and radical leftists should treat Islam like any other religion or repressive ideology. Condemning fundamentalist Islam and Islam4UK is not ‘racist’: Islam is an ideology not a race. Anarchists and radicals must see Choudary as an intolerant ideologue. We support neither Islam4UK nor the right wing who will make this protest theirs.
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Quote: And if the UK is so
That's clearly a non-starter - the same applies to the rest of us, and the obvious answer is that we don't have an alternative. A better question is - "If Islamic states are so much better, why not move to Iran or Saudi Arabia?"
Kaze no Kae wrote: "If
Kaze no Kae
To spread the Good News, obviously. I think you're missing the point of a proselytizing religion.
Quote from article: 'Nazi
Quote from article:
'Nazi Chat
As usual the Nazi forums have got a lot to say on the matter. On NWN one said:
“could Mr Choudary be working for the secret services to whip up enough hatred against them that the British people won't bat an eyelid when our army bombs Iran?”'
Thinking back to the Burnley/Bradford 'race riots' of a few years ago and the role of organised Nazis/racists in goading a defensive, ultimately riotous, response from Asian lads, it struck me at the time that there may have been 'hidden hands' at work. For some time in the run-up, the BNP seemed to reserve particular ire for Muslims, in what seemed a pretty disproportionate way. Reading between the lines I felt that the American Friends of the BNP (which I suspect has raised - via the CIA/FBI? - the majority of the funds which keeps the BNP going), backed by the security services of the US state, might have had some input into this. Put it this way, the US state hasn't batted an eyelid about fomenting pogroms and 'ethnic cleansing' in the former Yugoslavia, and I don't think it would have any scruples about facilitating the same in the UK, directly or indirectly through Islamicist and nationalist/fascist stooges. If bait is being dangled to get people's blood up to the levels necessary for a 'Balkan situation' then ROGUE's post above suggests this 'strategy' (if it really exists as a strategy and is not a part of my fevered imagination) is working for at least one individual. In the wake of 911 (no I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories about that) I read somewhere (The Guardian?) that the CIA was absolutely appalled that there could be a large Muslim population in the UK. This organisation has had absolutely no qualms about employing Nazi war criminals in the past (Klaus Barbie?).
Needless to say, the unwanted intervention of Islam4UK and the characterisation of it by Gordon Brown as an 'anti-war march' helps derail any principled, class-based opposition to capitalist war - in Afghanistan and elsewhere - which may have included those who have lined the streets of Wootton Bassett.
There are McDonalds in Mecca.
There are McDonalds in Mecca.
'Or perhaps we British should
'Or perhaps we British should launch a counter party and call it “Christianity4Afghanistan” '
There is a bit of irony in this statement considering troops from a christian country are currently occupying Afghanistan.
Where I'm from there is an extremely small Muslim population so I have very little experience with this kind of racial/religious tension. What is the consensus in the UK about how anarchists should deal with this (if at all)?
What's a devout Englishman?
What's a devout Englishman? Is that like Kosher laws, only in this case, one would refuse to eat any decent food?
Should include that the
Should include that the reason the site is down is because of various DDoS attacks and some successful hacking attempts.
When you blow away the media hype, you notice that it's simply the press who loves this idea of utterly radical militant Islam. In reality, very few support it. It's just stupid.
Quote: may I suggest that we
Seriously like, that was more than eight years ago now. On another continent. And was carried out by Saudis, not Afghans. And at rough estimates, the number of people we've killed in Iraq/Afghanistan outnumbers those killed on 9/11 (and since then) by a factor of at least 100. What I'm saying here is that in the "who's got the most coffins to parade around with" game it's not really much of a contest.
admin - just, no.
admin - just, no.
how do you know there are
how do you know there are McDonalds in Mecca? Have you been?
"Muslims are in the West for
"Muslims are in the West for the sole purpose of bringing the West under islamic rule. Some will admit this, others will not, but that is the goal. "
That is bullocks most muslims in the Uk (which is in the West) are the children of the immigrants who came here to fill in the factory jobs etc in the 60s,70s,80s. Anyway islam, judaism, christianity they are just as bad as each other in my opinion.
Quote: how do you know there
Google mecca and kfc, mcdonalds or whatever fast food chain and you'll get articles and images of it. In fact, for some hotels there, it's a selling point. Fast food in the Arab world is food for the rich. A big mac costs at least a day's wage for most people.
You're also igoring the fact that historically the hajj has always been very profitable. Hajj caravans had to be protected, or raided, people have to eat and sleep while in Mecca, you can sell water from the place, prayer beads, head scarves etc. Why should it be different now? It is quite natural that you will get western fastfood chains in Mecca.
I noticed another Luther
I noticed another Luther Blissett yesterday, involved in bringing attention to notorious racist BNP fuckwit Dennis Raines involvement with "No to the islam4uk march through Wootton Bassett" (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=228021139869). The facebook group is crawling with EDL, BNP and SIOE. The woman organising - Jo Cleary (also using JoJo Cleary) invited her 'friends' (mainly BNP, SIOE and EDL activists) to help her as admins. EDL are accused of using that group to garner support for Stoke demo, among other things.
The admin have deleted/banned people that are upset with BNP/EDL/SIOE involvement but leave white-power/EDL and BNP links. The disclaimer is a meaningless joke.
The group have been collecting evidence: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=14736&id=100000663694740
well, who could have guessed,
well, who could have guessed, they have now cancelled it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/11/islam4uk-cancels-march-wootton-bassett