Live updates and discussion from the Egyptian uprising which began on 25 January 2011.
From the Egyptian Chronicles blog...
http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2011/01/jan25-is-getting-serious.html
The January 25th protest is getting serious attention more and more. More Facebook pages and groups are calling for the #25 Jan and more political groups are going to participate in the huge event "They are about 17 groups".Many are praying that it be the start of a new thing in Egypt. Now if you are interested in following the protest on twitter to know its updates then follow this hash tag (#Jan25)
Surprisingly “Salafist movement for reform” aka “HAFS” has announced that it will participate in the event , this is the first time a Salafist movement participates in something like this considering the Salafist believes and teachings. I have my fear and my suspicion which I will keep it to myself. I know that this particular movement has its political believes still ....
The Mahalla workers will participate too , you may remember how they made their own day on the 6th April from couple of years ago.
Another huge surprise or even change in this protest is its location in Cairo and Giza, it is no longer Down town or Nile corniche but rather at the famous Gamaat Al Doul street in Mohendessin , the heart of the middle class in Giza !! The other places are : Cairo university in Giza , Dawaran Shubra and Dawaran Al Mataria in Cairo.
The NDP will participate too , of course in pro-regime protests of love …etc. May be this will be a showdown between the regime and the opposition , the real opposition in Egypt on who has got the word in the street. There are rumors that the MOI will launch its thugs to create chaos and violence , all what I know for sure is that the police will not enjoy their holiday because they will have to work. Personally I think the regime will let that day pass peacefully in order not to push the people in to another degree of anger , the world is now watching the Arab countries post-Tunisian revolution in an anticipation.
The Egyptians in London are going to protest next Sunday January 23, 2011 at 1 PM in front of the Egyptian embassy in London , if you are there and interested in joining them then here is the Egyptian embassy address : 26 South Street, Westminster, London W1K 1DW. There will be also insh Allah a protest in Bologna , Italy. It will be held on the 23rd of January at 12 PM at Piazza del Nettuno. Also on Sunday there will be a protest held at 1 PM in front of the Egyptian mission to the UN HQ in New York at at 304 East 44th Street. Now it will not be the last capital in the world that will witness a protest in front of the Egyptian embassy or mission on that coming Sunday because there will be a protest in our embassy in Madrid at 1 PM too.
Our great Tunisian brothers are going to protest in solidarity with the Egyptian people in front of the Egyptian embassy next January 25, 2011. Also our dear Jordanian brothers are going to protest inn front of the Egyptian embassy next January 25 ,2011. Our brothers in Yemen sent a solidarity email to the admin of “We are all Khaled Said” page.
Just like El General in Tunisia the Egyptian rap singers and bands are making songs for the #Jan25 just like this one by rapper Ahmed Rock.There are lots of video clips on YouTube made by activists to encourage the people to participate in the protest of #Jan25.
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Aljazeera have reported that
Aljazeera have reported that many of the demonstrations by striking workers were largely about economic demands, not 'pro-democracy', and included people who wanted Mubarak to stay. I think this is very important: class demands can't be eased by political reforms.
Genuinely surprised, I was
Genuinely surprised, I was expecting the Establishment to throw Mubarak under the bus but he's just announced he's staying.
He's really fucking things
He's really fucking things up. What a crap speech! So disconnected from reality! Worst speech ever. Big FAIL.
Tsar Nicholas II eat your
Tsar Nicholas II eat your heart out. A man in touch with history. Communiqué #2?
Arabist wrote: . here is the
Arabist
http://www.arabist.net/storage/post-images/Tahrir.pdf
VP Suleiman telling folks to
VP Suleiman telling folks to leave Tahrir.
Omar Suleiman
He's pissing people off even more.
Suleiman also said that the
Suleiman also said that the reason to go back to work was to defend the gains of the revolution of 25th Jan. What's the arabic for chutzpah?
@ Khawaga #603 since when can
@ Khawaga #603
since when can speeches--and particularyly speeches given under extreme circumstances--be read/heard literally?
Hieronymous's post on the
Hieronymous's post on the previous page bears re-reading in the context of events because it points to a faction fight, or rather faction fighting and tensions going on in within the Egyptian bourgeoisie.
Some time today, the CIA said that Mubarak was going to stand down from information that they'd got from their Egyptian military sources. The Egyptian Military attache in Washington told the White House that he was going. Before the broadcast, soldiers close to the demonstrators in the square told them that "their demands were going to be met".
Paul Aman in the post of H above details the different fractions of the state and confirms that the army and sections of the police moved against Gamal and co a week ago. There is more reckonings to come as the interests of different sections of the state fight for their own corner. I would think that a combination of military and Suleiman's police would be the strongest but things are not clear.
This is all the more reason for the working class to try to stick to its own ground.
Quote: @ Khawaga #603 since
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
it's pretty much a waste of
it's pretty much a waste of time to get into this--there are more important things right now, i guess. but since you're asking for it:
pl elaborate or are you just referring to your dreams (of a revolution) that he fucked up?
you seem to have expected something that pleased you.
when i read such a statement that has been made in the last 5 min by pretty much every media outlet, excuse me, i get the jitters. tell me about the real Egyptian reality, and especially the connex between Mubarak and the arm of the army/secret services that will still lend him a hand.
are you a teacher? or did you just miss something?
but as i said, i have no interest in flame wars, not here not anywhere. however, sometimes i don't feel like eating every diet. so don't get mad.
the situation in Egypt has now obviously become very dangerous and, although i go with taking any active political countermessures into the equation, when they seem appropriate, i do hope this is going to end without greater bloodshed. but that's only my hope.
to regorge about the power play at work here i refrain simply because i feel a little short on "real" inside knowledge.
but what i know is, there is something much more important going on here than most of what i read and hear seems to have any hunch of.
bioport wrote: but what i
bioport
Well, let's hope so. Please do inform us of it if you can.
Thank you for your
Thank you for your contribution bioport. It was both informative and useful.
Bioport, I don't understand
Bioport, I don't understand your point. You take my comments to be political tracts rather than visceral reactions to a guy I literally hate? Don't get me wrong, I don't think the speech was aimed at the protesters, he was posturing for a completely different audience. However, what he did say did piss people off; whether he intended that or not I am not sure.
Btw: I wasn't/isn't trying to start any flame war. I sincerely do not understand what you were asking or what your point is.
@ waxlax #612 to put it
@ waxlax #612
to put it simply, i think this is the Magna Carta moment of the Middle East. only it is not going to take 600 years this time.
Friday EA
Friday
EA liveblog
Guardian
Al Ahram
Al Jazeera
Al Jazeera live stream
http://twitter.com/3arabawy
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23egyworkers
Robert Fisk: as Mubarak
Robert Fisk: as Mubarak clings on... what now for Egypt?
Brian Whitaker: Mubarak teases Egypt as his regime fragments
From the Arabist blog...
The wiles of Mubarak
Silawa
EA liveblog Quote: 1003 GMT:
EA liveblog
Guardian Quote: 9.24am: As
Guardian
Al
Al Ahram
Al Jazeera Quote: 10:07am
Al Jazeera
EA liveblog Quote: 1125 GMT:
EA liveblog
Al Ahram
http://twitter.com/3arabawy
Cairo protest map
Cairo protest map
a case of life imitating
a case of life imitating art?
Guardian
Egypt's economy suffers as
Egypt's economy suffers as strikes intensify
I was interested in this idea
I was interested in this idea from the arabist
which turns out to be a reference to a piece last week in the NYT from Amr Shalakany
A Week in Egypt’s Twilight Zone
And this reminded me of some of the stuff about worlding from the Free Association in their Worlds in Motion piece for Turbulence 1, together with having only recently read China Miéville's The City and the City. Together with the mentions that have been repeatedly made about Mubarak and Egyptian State TV currently inhabiting an alternate reality.
I like the concept of two alternative zones of reality & time fighting it out in the streets and workplaces of the urban environment. Not merely in a simplistic territorial/military way, but in the way workers are confronting their bosses or parts of the bureacracy (e.g. housing dept.) and saying, your unquestioned power is a thing of yesterday, another time, another reality.
Either the Egyptian military,
Either the Egyptian military, or the "assets" that matter, have been lying to the Pentagon and the CIA over Mubarak's departure, either there's some sort of conspiracy between all of them - which I very much doubt, or there's a real danger of a faction fight within the Egyptian bourgeoisie that could lead to bloodshed.
There are two million police in Egypt and while many of these will be low level state employees that still leaves enough of the nasty brigade to cause real grief.
Much is made of the Egyptian army being "kept" by the US to the tune of $1.5 billiion a year. This can't be entirely good for a national army such as Egypt's, which has the defence of its own imperialist interests at heart. At any rate, yesterday the Saudis, defending their own imperialist interests, offered to replace the subsidy if the US tried to cut it off, which I think unlikely. The position of the Americans has been weakened, which was a trend anyway.
Many of the workers' demands reported yesterday and the day before were entirely based on economic demands and its important, if there is a faction fight in the offing, that they stick to them.
ocelot wrote: I was
ocelot
"Get in real world."
Interesting analysis from
Interesting analysis from Issandr El Amrani (the arabist blog)
The idea of the army being afraid to take power for fear of then having more chance of losing power, makes a certain kind of sense. Also if they become the power that people are fighting against, they lose the veneer or neutrality that having a political intermediary layer gives them. Also, being put in a position of having to order soldiers to act against protestors may increase the risk of breakdown in the chain of command.
And just for light
And just for light relief:
There's also the daily rumours that Mubarak has left Cairo. Al Arabiya is reporting that himself and family have decamped to Sharm, Al Ahram is reporting that Al Arabiya is saying that (bit of hedging going on there), but the BBC are repeating the story, via their security correspondant, Frank Gardner. Oh, yeah and the Danish PM Rasmussen has become the first EU leader to call for Mubarak to step down immediately.
From the ridiculous to the
From the ridiculous to the sublime. Brilliantly informative piece on the tactical sleight of hand used to get a critical mass together on Day1 - a non-trivial task in Egypt. As El Amrani says, Rupert Murdoch doesn't deserve these journos.
WSJ: The Secret Rally That Sparked an Uprising
ocelot wrote: There's also
ocelot
thats what it looks like.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12egypt.html?_r=1&hp
From Robert Fisk here:
From Robert Fisk here: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-as-mubarak-clings-on-what-now-for-egypt-2211287.html
I've seen no other mention of this. If true it's obviously very significant and would go a long way towards explaining why the army seems incapable of making any kind of decision, but I'm not sure I quite believe it. Anyone know anymore about this?
Well, he's gone. Suleiman
Well, he's gone. Suleiman didn't look too chuffed.
He's gone.
He's gone.
he's handed power to the army
he's handed power to the army
That statement in
That statement in full
Well, god help you Omar, anyway. 'Cos I'm not sure how many other folks you got watching your back right now. (Plus I have bad news about that god feller...)
re tickling_fool question on the military officers handing in their guns and joining the demo, the Major was on Sky News last night addressing the crowd (screaming at Mubarak and Suleiman to fuck off, basically), plus I believe mention of it made it into the various streams (Guardian, AJ, etc) as well, iirc. It's certainly the case that the particular units that have been stationed around Tahrir for the last few days are no longer reliable at all from the chain of command pov, but that's only a handfull of tank crews and a small contigent of RA. Compared to the size of the army, its a very small fragment. But anyway...
Evenso, I think the confidence of Tantawi and the General Staff on the loyalty of the troops in the face of a general order to attack the protesters and wipe them off the streets, no matter the casualties, is still probably open to question. The possibility of some troops disobeying and fighting against other still obeying orders, would create the kind of messiness that could threaten the chain of command.
Meanwhile, outside of Cairo,
Meanwhile, outside of Cairo, violence has continued this afternoon
Sohag is Upper Egypt, on the Nile, not that far from El Kharga where the fatal clashes took place day before yesterday, Arish is on the north Sinai road, just west of Sheikh Zuwaid, where it appears there's been a virtual armed insurgency by the Sinai Bedouin against police and army for over a week.
ocelot wrote: Arish is on the
ocelot
Not surprising at all, Arish is one of the most militarized and most repressive towns in Egypt. Your update begs the question: is this how military rule will look like in Cairo as well or is it "merely" a continuation of the general volatility of Upper Egypt and Sinai?
Looks like after that
Looks like after that difficult second album, the widely-panned "Communiqué #2", critics are anticipating a return to cutting-edge relevance with the much-trailed third offering from the Supreme Council. Despite speculation that the third offering from the new chart-topping act might be entitled "From the Frying Pan, Into the Fire" or even the more funk-influenced "Who's the Daddy Now?", record company executives have confirmed that the actual title will be "Communiqué #3", continuing the post-ironic minimalism of their first two titles.
Oh well. Party tonight, hangover tomorrow, strike the day after? We shall see.
Reuters wrote: Egypt's
Reuters
Khawaga wrote: Your update
Khawaga
Well absolutely. It seems to me that this moment provides a strong opportunity for a recuperative movement - hail the revolution and it's glorious martyrs, it's now the duty of every patriotic Egyptian to get back to work to save the country and the economy... type of thing. The possible counter-tendency would be a continuation of the disintegrative process of the ancien regime emboldening people to challenge long-standing injustices in the workplace, against local government & bureacractic corruption etc. Not to mention the cops...
Which of these tendencies will predominate, or how will the army respond to possible further disruptions like transport strikes etc? I guess we'll see.
ocelot wrote: It seems to me
ocelot
Yeah, I think this is likely. It's no longer about the "people", but about class. So I see it likely that we will see this:
ocelot
at the same time.
The Guardian reports today
The Guardian reports today that: "Earlier this month Naguib Sawiris, an Egyptian telecoms tycoon and one of the world's richest men, gave his tacit support to the anti-government uprising, claiming that the end result would be a 'more solid foundation for future growth'. Despite worries about short-term instability, other major business players appear to be backing Sawiris's position."
Well, apparently the
Well, apparently the relevance it had for me at the beggining of the thread a split in the army, has been confirmed by the facts. However it is equally true what ocelot says about the moment of recuperation. Things look quite encouraging for a moment tho. I hope the blood bath posibility vanishes in the air definitely. I hope the egyptians in the know bear in mind the portiguese solution tho.
Is there any confirmation
Is there any confirmation that that account of the tank commanders refusing orders is correct?
Following on from the above
Following on from the above support for the "revolution" from the heights of Egyptian capital, Abdel Latif, an Egyptian economist said today: "One of the potential upsides is that labour productivity (very low in Egypt), increases when the system's cathartic atmosphere changes as a result of the revolution".
Meanwhile, the US bourgeoisie, in the form of its Director of Intelligence, James Clapper, has, following the long-term initiative of the British Foreign Office, been praising the Muslim Brotherhood as "secular" and "against violence". I don't think that the US is all that keen on ElBaradei given his percieved closeness to Tehran.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/feb2011/disa-f11.shtml
Trotskyist perspective on the transition from Mubarak to the military. It's not us, but it's good enough for now.
What happens now is critical. If Tantawi and Suleiman are allowed to remain in power, they will become just as bad or worse than Mubarak was. Remember that they were heads of the secret police and military. All they know how to do is use force. They won't allow another movement to gain nearly enough strength to do this again, much less free and fair elections.
By tonight, I think we'll know more about the short-term direction of the protesters. Will they fizzle out? Or will they continue? A new government won't solve the economic problems that caused the revolution. Even if the protests fizzle out, there will still be some more awareness of the problem. If we're very lucky, this is only the February Revolution for a later October.
Jazzhands wrote: If we're
Jazzhands
That's a great line!
Al Jazeera quotes a
Al Jazeera quotes a celebrating protester:
Let us leave this question for tomorrow. All that has happened is that Mubarak is now the ex-president. This is only the first step on the road to completely pulling apart his government.
So they haven't lost perspective just yet, but it's only been a few hours. Like the man said, let's leave this question for tomorrow. My only regret is that I don't speak Arabic, so I can't understand what the protesters are saying.
Here's a story from Al Ahram
Here's a story from Al Ahram this morning that gives some background on Mubarak's speech yesterday and the split between the army and Mubarak and Suleiman. It looks like Suleiman is out of power and maybe this is as important as Mubarak going.
Army and presidency at odds says former intelligence official
"Moments of respite" don't
"Moments of respite" don't come cheap - a price beyond money
http://1000memories.com/egypt
Ah, so there was a coup, a
Ah, so there was a coup, a lame attempt at a counter-coup by Mubarak and Suleiman, and the next day the rest was history.
LOL. Just watching Newsnight
LOL. Just watching Newsnight and General Lord Sir Mark Malloch Brown (to give him his full title, apparently, I mean "General Lord Sir.." who are they kidding?) counted off on his fingers why Mubarak was considered a "friend of the West".
"...he [Hosni] was [counts on fingers] against terrorism, for Israel, for oil..."
Magic. That US Middle East policy in 6 words. Well done.
The same Newsnight had a very
The same Newsnight had a very interesting piece on the way the State Department has been backing the April 6th Movement, or parts of it.
This is a dangerous time for the proletariat, its strike movement and thus its class autonomy could be lost in this wave of nationalism and democracy.
Download from the CGT North
Download from the CGT North Africa site. I don't think I've seen this statement before.
The formation of the Constituent Body of the Egyptian Independent Trade Union Federation
Egypt is witnessing presently unforgettable days… Its people is showing unprecedented valor in its struggle to protect its right to live the life it deserves… its right to dignity, freedom and social justice… its right to equal decent work opportunity and fair wages… its right to live in a democratic society capable of embracing all its members and that provides to each and every one of them his share of the country’s wealth and national income…
a society where some individuals do not own private jets while the majority of the people lack a decent conveyance and where the income of those at the top of the pyramid is thousands of times higher than minimum wages. A society where individuals can breathe freely… talk, interact and express themselves freely, where different categories and classes can defend and negotiate their interests… a society that does not oppress its members nor curbs their ambition and their human yearning for capacity development and better life conditions.
Egyptian workers and employees fought long and participated, especially four years, in a recurrent protest movement — in an unprecedented way in modern Egyptian history — to defend their legitimate rights. Despite the lack of an organized independent union — from which they were deprived for long decades — they were able to attract to their side wider social sectors and to gain a broader sympathy from the Egyptian society and among labour movements and trade unions.
Workers fought for the right to work against the unemployment demon — that haunts Egyptian youth — and called for a fair minimum wage that guarantees a decent standard of living for all wage earners. They fought a great battle for their democratic rights to association in independent trade unions.
This struggle undertaken by workers paved the way in Egypt for the current revolution of the people… Therefore, the Egyptian workers and employees refuse that the “governmental” General Federation of Trade Unions represents them or speaks on their behalf. This federation that denied them their rights and their demands and that issued lately an infamous statement on the 27th of January announcing that it will make every effort to contain any workers protest movement during these days.
Hence, the independent unions and bodies — the Union of the Real Estate Tax Workers, the Union of Wage Earners, the Union of Health Technicians, the Independent Teachers Association and the independent bodies and groups representing industrial workers — who find it impossible now to stand idly by, announce the founding of the Egyptian Independent Trade Union Federation and the establishing of Constituent Body as of today the 30th of January 2011 that took the following decisions:
To adopt the demands of the Egyptian people and youth revolution announced on the 25th of January underlining the following:
1. The Egyptian people right to work — since it is a fundamental right granted by the state and any prejudice of this right entails the right to “unemployment compensation”.
2. To fix the minimum wage at no less than a thousand and two hundred LE (Egyptian pound) to be increased annually accordingly to the increase of prices while granting the rights of all workers to incentives and allowances suitable with their jobs nature and especially the right in adequate compensations for the damages that may occur due to the working environment and risks. The maximum of wages must not exceed ten times the minimum wages.
3. All the Egyptians have the right to a fair social protection including the rights to healthcare, housing and education “with the guarantee of a free education with developed programs that cope with the scientific and technologic evolution” and the right of the retired to decent wages with the compensation of all the derogated bonuses.
4. The right of all workers, employees and wage earners to associate in independent unions where they put the regulations themselves and which is subject to their will and to remove all the legal restrictions on the exercise of this right.
5. The release of all the recently imprisoned and detained individuals since the 25th of January.
The Constituent Body of the Egyptian Independent Trade Union Federation calls upon all the Egyptian workers to form popular committees in the neighboring facilities and sites in order to defend the facilities, workers and citizens in this critical situation. These committees will also organize the protest and strike movements in workplaces.
The constituent body calls upon all workers in Egypt to participate in these movements in order to achieve the demands of the Egyptian people with the exception of vital facilities of strategic importance due to the prevailing situation.
The Egyptian Independent Trade Union Federation, “The Constituent Body” - 30/01/2011
Cairo tonight
Cairo tonight
[youtube]SEdG_Tg2XPg[/youtube]
And for light relief - Glenn
And for light relief - Glenn Beck, "...you have emboldened every revolutionary on earth..."
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/02/11/mubarak-steps-down-glenn-reacts/
never fails...
"...[Algeria, another extremely poor country, al Qaida has a significant presence there], is on the tip, right across the strait of Gibraltar from Spain. So is the Ivory Coast..."
Genuis.
ernie wrote: This is a
ernie
Well, I think that their class autonomy needs to be affirmed or realized before it can be lost. Now is the time to affirm it, and to distance it(self) from nationalist, governmentalist 'solutions'. Perhaps you meant that the fight to affirm the class' autonomy could be lost now. With Mubarak gone, the opposition movement may well fragment. The class will then need to focus on its own demands and interests, and not get sucked into the various different governmentalist factions.
It is a great line, but
It is a great line, but didn't the February revolution pretty much smash the army? There are no soldiers and worker's councils yet, although no doubt it could happen...
Quote: Jazzhands wrote: If
It is a great line, but didn't the February revolution pretty much smash the army? There are no soldiers and worker's councils yet, although no doubt it could happen... (Forget previous post)
Just heard on the radio that
Just heard on the radio that a significant minority of people in Tahrir Square are resisting army attempts to dismantle the barricades and empty the square, though a majority are "happy" to leave.
Waslax. this is indeed what I
Waslax. this is indeed what I was trying to say
a call for
a call for soviets?
http://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article20203
David McNally: Mubarak's
David McNally: Mubarak's Folly: The Rising of Egypt's Workers
Entdinglichung wrote: a call
Entdinglichung
Not necessarily. What do they mean by the call for workers to "establish their own independent union"? It could be a single 'revolutionary' union, it could be a federation of trade unions, or it could be soviets.
Also, on the sixth point, the call is for an assembly of "all sectors and all political trends of the people", without any reference to class. Not really compatible with soviets as understood as workers' councils.
But a sign of movement in a
But a sign of movement in a definitely proletarian direction. The issue of 'independent trade unions' is not even settled on libcom, so we can't expect the workers of Egypt to leap beyond it immediately. The key thing would be to develop the element which emphasises assemblies and committees, and which therefore points towards real workers councils in the future.
Labour strikes and protests
Labour strikes and protests continue
Ahram Online
The workers, middle class,
The workers, middle class, military junta and the permanent revolution
Hossam el-Hamalawy
(No subject)
I was wondering as a born and
I was wondering as a born and bred leftie how has all the discourse of the left has shifted to the Arab world? If I can be a reductionist, I do not share any values with with the Arab world which is established on religious traditional narrative. Opposing the US does not constitute "them" as an alternative. I am very bewildered from these ambiguous connections: Marx-Humeyni-Chavez?I think it is transverse imperialism to ignore the vast difference in values only to negate western capitalism.
Mr. human bondage wrote: I
Mr. human bondage
radicalgraffiti
Mr. human bondage: take it
Mr. human bondage: take it somewhere else. You're wasting both your and our time here.
Just saw this in the
Just saw this in the Guardian:
Anyone got any idea of the base of this council: is it a self-elected elite, does it represent something more or what?
Regarding industrial action,
Regarding industrial action, from: http://www.arabawy.org/blog/
And a few more recent tweets from http://twitter.com/3arabawy
(No subject)
[youtube]Hcqk47ezdgY[/youtube]
http://twitter.com/search?q=%
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23egyworkers
Edit: From Al Jazeera
Guardian Quote: 10.24am: The
Guardian
Edit: Chris McGreal on twitter just now
Photo report from Jano
Photo report from Jano Charbel
Army and military police forcefully disperse Tahrir Square protest
http://twitter.com/JanoCharbel
Guardian Quote: 11.07am: An
Guardian
...and very bloody. Also,
...and very bloody.
Also, they might well be under international pressure to make an example of the Egyptian working class to the rest of the world of what happens if you go beyond the limits of wanting merely political change.
Quote: There are already
In 1989 (I think) in Algeria 800-900 people were slaughtered in an uprising (it was hardly mentioned in the world media, attention being focussed on Tiananmen Square). 300 or more dead in Egypt's "peaceful revolution" is nothing compared with what they could do if necessary, possible and userful for them. Their problem would be to present workers' struggles as being an obstacle to the progress towards a stable democracy, and therefore give justification for crushing them. We know that all significant social movements nowadays risk, in the short term or long term, depending on what part of the world, a very brutal repression, and perhaps it's not much use in speculating - though I'd guess it's there in the minds of many of the working class in Egypt.
Egypt Stock
Egypt Stock Exchange
The Exchange was supposed to re-open today (Sunday is a workday).
Smells like panic to me.
Update on that Reuters
Update on that Reuters story
Dunno if the delay's significant or not.
Overall, from a point of view most concerned about recuperation. Great - bring it on. (I know that's a bit of a dickish thing to say from the safety of an EU living room, but you know what I mean...)
Quote: In 1989 (I think) in
That was 1988, not 1989. Before Tiananmen, that is. And it was, if I remember correctly, basically a revolt against unemployment, high prices etc. Authorities repressed it - and then opened the door to multy party elections in 1992, with the Islamists winning the first round, a military coup to prevent whem winning agein, and the civil war that ensued from that.
It seems what is happening in Egypt is much broader - and much more risky to repress (they tried in recent weeks, and they did not succeed). That is why they decided that getting rid of Mubarak, opening up the political process - combined with threats against further street and strike movements - seems to be their strategy now.
True. It is not a matter of them objecting morally to instigating massacres (they don't have such objections), but of strategic choices.
The question is 1. is it necessary for them? I would say: not yet, as long as workers' struggles are on an on-off basis, rather fragmented, and not on an enormous scale as yet, as they seem to be at this stage. The numer of strikeers are in the thousands, not in the millions as were the number of demonstrators. I think they believe they can manage, with a combination of concessions and selective repression. Of course, this may change.
2. Is it possible? At the moment: hardly. Just a few days after millions have been on the streets, giving the military ample reason to dump Mubarak (and Suleiman), people have broken through barriers of fear. And there have been encouraging signs of dissent among soldiers and now even among police.
This is NOT a good time for them to go for frontal, all-out repression. It would easily provoke an even bigger, much more openly working-class-based, explosion. It does not seem to be a useful strategy for them at all - as long as the confidence of people is so strong and the memory of the revolt of recent weeks so fresh. That is, not in the short run. In the long run? That depends on how workers' struggles either subside or grow stronger - and on what happens in other countries.
Quote: That was 1988, not
Got it wrong then. But remember thinking how little the media said about it, compared with the massacre in Tiananmen (the hundreds in Algeria being a far greater proportion of the population than 6000 in China.). Not really relevant to Egypt at the moment though.
It got mentioned a lot in
It got mentioned a lot in France! Of course, France has always taken an interest in Algeria after the war for Algerian Independence. Just like it is now with the protests.
I think, Samotnaf, you were
I think, Samotnaf, you were right in a sense. The comparison, however, was not with the massacre in 1988, but in the army coup after the Islamist election victory in 1992. Army action in Tiananmen: widely opposed by Western leaders and media. Army intervention in Algeria: widedly supported by Western leaders and media. Maybe that is the comparison you meant to highlight. A bit off-topic, indeed - though the underlying ruling class/ media hypocrisy is as current as can be...
Steve Negus wrote: A despised
Steve Negus
From the Arabist.
ocelot wrote: David McNally:
ocelot
This seems most relevant:
McNally
Like the stock exchange the
Like the stock exchange the banks are now closed until Wednesday
AA: Egypt banks closed tomorrow, reopen Wednesday
also
Reuters: Egypt rebellion spreads to sprawling state economy
Employees of Egypt's public
Employees of Egypt's public banks in revolt
Ahram Online
Guardian Quote: 10.06am:
Guardian
The strikes
The strikes continue...
http://twitter.com/3arabawy
Egypt Stock Exchange
Egypt Stock Exchange spokesman drops plan to re-open Wednesday and goes for unspecified date in the future. Panic and confusion.
Reuters: Egypt stock exchange delays reopening again
Al Ahram site (English and Arabic) is down at the moment, but other news sources say that the redcaps successfully cleared Tahrir square of the last of the protestors this morning (seemingly confirmed by pictures at egypt daily news).
Although, now AJE reports
edit: same source
http://english.ahram.org.eg/N
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/5575/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-tourism-workers-stage-Pyramids-protest.aspx
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/protesters-block-vital-cairo-tunnel
That statement from the army
That statement from the army about strikes has finally been read out on State TV, however, I think the Reuters report is wrong somehow, as Communiqué #5 was read out yesterday (translated full text here) and was the dissolution of parliament/suspension of constitution, etc, statement (no mention of unions). Not the statement on industrial unrest being threatened since yesterday.
Reuters: Egypt army urges unity, criticises strikes
The Guardian puts it like this
Which is not at all informative on the all-important detail (they appear to be more interested in Bahrain and Iran today, I guess in the goldfish attention-span of the media, Egypt is "so yesterday", forget Tunisia...). However, taking both badly flawed reports together, it looks like the threatened interdiction of all union meetings and activity has been replaced with an exhortation to cease and desist, which is a bit of a different story.
from the bbc Quote: Many
from the bbc
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/assiut-workers-protest-living-conditions
7.500 workers/ employees in action, in one city alone...
blackrainbow
blackrainbow
Naw, that's just the "statements about statements" from yesterday. It seems like the actual statement has been made this afternoon on State TV and didn't have any of that stuff in it, neither banning meetings by labour unions and professional syndicates, nor threatening those creating "chaos and disorder". I say "seems" as the actual coverage has gone to shit today, guess all those budgets are spent up and the Western reporters on their way home now that they can't hang out in Tahrir square all day.
According to my twitter feed
According to my twitter feed it seems like the military junta has indeed banned strikes etc. The class struggle is heating up. E.g. this just happened:
Arabawy
Strikes spread... Quote: The
Strikes spread...
Workers demand dissolution of
Workers demand dissolution of state-run trade union federation
Jano Charbel
Edited to add:
[youtube]Unxt2drRlTg[/youtube]
It seems that the army has
It seems that the army has backed away (for the time being) from its intention to ban strikes and meetings of strikers. Instead, they are just criticizing them as "leading to negative results". Surely this is because they have assessed the situation, and decided that they do not, at this time, have the capacity to enforce such a ban, and thus, if they were to try to do so, they would be exposed as not all-powerful, and then things could really start to unravel, for them. On the other hand, given that their intention to ban the strikes was leaked ahead of its planned announcement, and they have since backed off from it, they also risk appearing as less than all-powerful. They screwed up, but the choice they made limits the damage for them. But it can only embolden the strikers. Hopefully we will see more strikes spreading. And hopefully workers are widely discussing this idea that their strikes will "lead to negative results" and see it for what it is, the view of their class enemy. I don't think these hopes are at all unrealistic, given what we have seen so far.
This is really getting
This is really getting interesting now…
From Al-Masry
From Al-Masry Al-Youm
A long video but worth
A long video but worth watching through. It's a shame that Issandr El Amrani (The Arabist) gets cut off in the middle of talking about the strikes.
[youtube]jBkipM9kW0o[/youtube]
Call me a pedant, but for
Call me a pedant, but for some reason this sloppiness from news sources over the numbering and timing of the army communiqués is starting to disturb me. Al Jazeera's at it now:
AJ: Army urges Egyptians to end strikes
Just for the record let's get the timeline and content of the communiqués down
#1 - Thursday 10 Feb - we had a meeting. we're going to have more.
#2 - Friday 11 Feb, morning - we had another one
#3 - Friday 11 Feb, 10 pm (Cairo GMT+2) - sssumption of power
#4 - Saturday 12 Feb - current govt. as caretaker, reaffirm international treaties [Israel], stop hating on the cops plz
#5 - Sunday 13 Feb - dissolution of government, suspension of constitution, rule by decree, new constitution and elections by 6 months, reaffirm international treaties (again)
#6 - Monday 14 Feb - please stop with the strikes already
sources:
Full text #1
Full text #2
Full texts of #3 & #4
Full text #5
Egyptian Chronicles reports #5 Sunday
Angry Arab commentary on #5 on Sun 13 Feb
Angry Arab commentary on #6 on Mon 14 Feb
Unfortunately no-one seems to have bothered their arse to actually obtain and translate the full transcript of yesterday's statement, being happy with the two short quotes from Reuters.
About the only possible clue to this is from Daniel Berhane's coverage where he has the Sunday statement down as a "Constitutional Proclamation" rather than a communiqué.
Apologies, I've no idea why mainstream news sources getting the most basic facts wrong should bother me at all really, but so it is.
But the interesting political point is what waslax stated, the relative backing down from the more aggressive position they had been trailing for 24 hours previously.
Reuters: Egypt declares
Reuters: Egypt declares Wednesday, Thursday bank holidays
Waslax wrote: It seems that
Waslax
I think this is pretty spot on, but would add that since the strike wave started the Egyptian regime has been at a loss to what to do with strikers. Rather than the typical concession and then repression tactic from the past, they only did the concession part, which made workers more confident since the worst thing that could happen with a strike was that their demands would be (partially) met. The military junta must re-assess how to deal with an emboldened working class and cannot, as Wasalax states, go on full attack now. However, as soon as they find some partners in the Egyptian bourgeoisie (I am thinking of el Baradei and folks like Wael Ghonim) that are willing to legitimize attacks workers I think we will see more repression. But by that time I hope that workers are even more organized and ready to defend themselves.
I don't think that the
I don't think that the Americans want ElBaradei involved.
The Egyptian state can relatively easily accomodate the Muslim Brotherhood and the likes of the April 6 movement but not the demands of the working class over the longer term.
I can't find any reports of strikes today but a consistent demand over the last five or so days in differnt strikes has been against the casualisation of work (echos of South Korea in 2007) and the integration of part-time and temporary workers into full-time pay and conditions. This will be diametrically opposed to the needs of Egyptian capital and productivity. A real class opposition opening up here.
Quote: I don't think that the
Maybe not, but he is one of the guys that the April 6 movement likes. If not him, then a figure like him that can effectively recuperate the non-working class elements of the protesters. Wael Ghonim looks like a figure that could do that (he's even met with the junta already and has made plenty of statements that would wet the pants of any liberal capitalist).
Still desperately kicking the
Still desperately kicking the financial can down the road
Reuters: Egypt bourse to stay shut on Sunday
On the industrial front.
On the industrial front. Remember the banks are shut until at least Sunday now, so that action in the public banks and insurance sector both against precarity and lack of contracts for workers and to evict the placemen of Gamal & Co.'s crony capitalist network, can't go further this week (a deliberate cooling off period, by the looks of it).
from Guardian stream
http://juralibertaire.over-bl
http://juralibertaire.over-blog.com/article-luttes-de-classes-en-egypte-16-fevrier-67290084.html
Some more detail on numbers
Some more detail on numbers of folks involved in the strikes mentioned above, and some mention of the knock-on effect of the bank closures to industry
Reuters: Egyptian bank shutdown and strikes hit industry
also, as well as the banks, all schools and universities are still closed and Al Masry Al Youm reports:
ocelot wrote: On the
ocelot
That's the point. Maybe before the army is able to do something, industry and finances are planning a massive lockout. What do you reckon?
Egypt's Mahalla workers
Egypt's Mahalla workers strike, bring demands to the military
At the risk of repetition,
At the risk of repetition, just some clarification on how that strike ended up taking the form of an occupation
AMAY: Mahalla's textile workers strike despite army warnings
Just from that article - "An army tank is strategically stationed outside the main gate of this massive industrial complex..." - the image of the tank sitting impotently outside of the gates of the occupied factory is, imo, emblematic of the limits of military power to manage industrial conflict.
ocelot wrote: At the risk of
ocelot
You are right. My fault, i didn't bother to read the text in full.
A Message to Egyptian
A Message to Egyptian Workers
Colleagues in all workplaces,
Now that the republic of fear, despotism and corruption has fallen, now that the 25 January revolution succeeded in overthrowing the Mubarak regime, it is incumbent upon us, we workers, to purge the country of the remnants of the regime and its servants.
President of the Egyptian Trade Union Federation (ETUF) Hussein Megawer and his coterie, have been imposed by the state security apparatus to talk in our names through rigged elections found null and void by the Administrative Court. They sold our interests and betrayed our cause. They lived their lives servants for every authority and slaves of all rulers. All they cared about was the accumulation of illicit gain, and indeed they became millionaires living in villas and luxurious apartments, and driving around in luxury cars. We challenge them to disclose their wealth and its sources, and to provide a public statement about their financial status.
Today is the day of judgment. It is the day on which these people should pay the price of their crimes against workers. We will not remain silent regarding those who stole workers’ money, who facilitated and profited from the sell-off the public sector. We will pursue them through all legal means.
In the name of the martyrs of the revolution who spilled their blood to pave our road to freedom, and against whom Hussein Megawer and his gang conspired, by issuing statements against the revolution and hiring thugs to attack the insurgents in Tahrir Square, do not allow those people to remain unpunished for their crimes. Let our first step on the road to freedom be the immediate withdrawal from the governmental federation that fell with the downfall of the regime. On 30 January 2011, the Constituent Body of the Egyptian Federation of Independent Trade Unions was formed in a meeting attended by representatives of the Independent Union of Real Estate Tax Collectors, the Union of Pensioners, the Union of Health Technicians, the Independent Union of Teachers, as well as workers’ leaders from Mahalla, Helwan, 10th of Ramadan and Sadat City. Let us join the new independent federation.
Today, Egyptian workers can build their independent trade union organization. They can build it freely as a strong trade union organization capable of defending their interests and improving their conditions of work.
Let us start today, not tomorrow. The road is clear. We all have to withdraw from this governmental federation that fell with the fall-down of the regime. Let us all ask the management in our workplaces to stop deducting union subscriptions from our pay. Let us together build our independent union and our independent federation, a federation subject to the workers’ will rather than the powers that be.
The Constituent Body of the Egyptian Federation of Independent Trade Unions.
February 13, 2011
From the CGT North Africa site
Do we know anything about the
Do we know anything about the currents - political or trade union - involved in this group/appeal?
Reuters Quote: CAIRO Feb 18
Reuters
Israeli govt. loving that
Alf wrote: Do we know
Alf
Not really, apart from the real estate tax collectors being involved in the euro-mediterranean union network, along with the CGT, CNT-F, the Tunisian CGTT, and various independent Algerian and Moroccan unions. Hence the information from the CGT North Africa site. Maybe Khawaga would be able to say more about the Egyptian left and who might be involved in this.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/N
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/5900/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-military-says-will-not-allow-strikes-to-cont.aspx
Military tries it again, somewhat more forceful than earlier...
The Muslim Brotherhood, in
The Muslim Brotherhood, in the person of its intellectual leader Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradawi, has joined the military and industrialists, in calling for an end to strikes.
Guardian Quote: 12.40pm,
Guardian
Army says it will not allow
Army says it will not allow more labor protests
Al Masry Al Youm
Quote: http://www.marxist.com
===========
Mahalla workers win 25% pay rise...
Egypt's workers rise up
Egypt's workers rise up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/23/libya-gaddafi-showdown-live-updates#block-24
Ahram Online wrote: The human
Ahram Online
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/6254/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-police-allegedly-set-building-on-fire-in-pos.aspx
Wave of post-revolution labor
Wave of post-revolution labor strikes, protests continues nationwide
Al Masry Al Youm
Army breaking up protests in
Army breaking up protests in Tahrir Square
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23jan25
Egyptian Chronicles
Zeinobia
More on the break up of
More on the break up of protests in Cairo last night
AJE is reporting that the Military Council have apologised, so I'm not sure what is going on
http://twitter.com/JanoCharbel#
A couple of stories from Jano Charbel's blog
Police shooting leads to localized uprising in Maadi
Workers and professionals demand independent unions
Interesting discussion on
Interesting discussion on Twitter right now amongst those who were in Tahrir Sq last night as regards the chant of "the people and the army are one". It may seem naive while the military are beating them off the streets, but surely the anti-regime movt should be encouraging mass defection on the part of the military?
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/labor-protests-escalate-throughout-egypt
Caiman del Barrio
Caiman del Barrio
Occupied Cairo: The Army and the Police are one
The sad events of tonight will hopefully bury that relatively misguided phrase الجيش و الشعب أيد واحدة, “the people and the army are one hand” and reveal that the true nature of the situation in Egypt is better described as الخيش و الشرطة أيد واحدة “the army and the police are one hand.” A group of several hundred peaceful protestors, attempting to stay the night in Tahrir square and in front of the People’s Assembly to protest continued military rule and the persistence of the old regime’s illegitimate presence in government, were violently attacked and driven away by Military Police, Army officers and commandos wearing balaclavas and wielding sub-machine guns. One protestor, taken inside of the People’s Assembly building by army officers and beaten, was told bluntly “don’t fuck with the army.”
The victims of this assault were the committed remnants of an earlier protest of thousands in front of the square, whose numbers were perhaps artificially low since the army had kettled those already camped out and prevented others from joining them. These would-be demonstrators were quickly and unflinchingly attacked by military police and army soldiers using nightsticks and cattle prods, beating and shocking them until they were forced to scatter. Many people were abducted, including Shady al Ghazali Harb and one ‘foreign’ journalist who was taken away early (whereabouts currently unkown). Many more people were injured to varying degrees, some quite seriously, including several people passing out from the voltage of the stun batons; some of the injured required treatment at hospital.
The putative excuse for this assault was that protestors were in violation of curfew; aside from a curfew violation not justifying extreme physical violence without warning, this is effectively the same curfew that was flaunted without consequence throughout the entire initial sequence of this revoultion. The army, since taking control over the executive, has been increasingly strict (read: arbitrary, violent) in its enforcement of the curfew, seemingly in order to prevent sit-ins and other nighttime demonstrations. We saw no property damage or other violence during curfew hours in previous weeks (except that perpetrated by government-hired thugs), and so the presumption that this is “for our own protection” is a farce that hardly warrants discussion. Collective punishment, an air of anxiety, and the disruption of continued control and presence of key protest sites are the only observable motives of this curfew.
The greater point, however, which comes as no surprise to most involved in this revolution, is that the army is no friend of the people. This institution is as much a part of the regime as any other, representing not just the same entrenched military-political elite that have ruled Egypt for 60 years but also enormous and substantial business interests that benefit from preferential treatment and systemic corruption. There has been little doubt in anyone’s mind that the army’s preference would be to maintain most of the country’s infrastructure (police and political) just as it was before, while placating the people telling them that it was their ally and guardian. And yet, and yet, we see the same violence directed at citizens here that we have seen in the hands of police (and only a day after a police officer shot a microbus driver during a verbal argument in the street). The army has shown its bloody hand, and the only hope is that the news of this will spread fast enough that people can realize their complicity and duplicity before any more blood need be spilled.
This remains a regime and a system which has been trained and taught to regard people as a threat to their continued privilege and prosperity, who in the name of stability create chaos, pain and anxiety for anyone who would seek to be present in public, to voice an opinion or seek after their long-lost rights. Whatever expectations the Egyptian people may have had from the army, and whatever the army may have done by way of protecting civilians during the early weeks of protest (as they did somewhat, but not enough) should be meaningless now. Now in the seat of power, they display the same callous paternalism and heavy hand that the old figureheads of the regime did, and whether this is their desire or this is simply the machine controlling its operator, serious structural and institutional change is the only possible acceptable outcome.
Out with the army, out with the police, out with the old regime. All one hand, all working together to drive the Egyptian people into despair, subjection and quiescence. We, however, have had a taste of the immediacy of freedom and will neither be placated by the gifts of the state nor cowed by its criminal, unacceptable violence.
Guardian Quote: 2.24pm Egypt:
Guardian
The Arabist: Egypt the
The Arabist: Egypt the military's gambit
The Mahalla workers...
The Mahalla workers...
[youtube]fTj3yVGFOLE[/youtube]
Labor and the future of the
Labor and the future of the Egyptian revolution - from a social democratic point of view
From here: Quote: Many
From here:
anyone read thomas friedman's
anyone read thomas friedman's article on the hidden hand behind all this? http://inanities.org/2011/03/this-is-just-the-start-and-it-never-fucking-ends/ is a response.... hilarious
Quote: Americans have never
As it appears to have escaped
As it appears to have escaped the record, the Egyptian stock exchange postponed re-opening yet again last Sunday, until this coming Sunday, 6th March.
Bloomberg: Egypt's Exchange Risks Losing Overseas Investors as Locals Protest Opening
Also, on the state finance front
Reuters
12% on a 6 month bill? Yipes.
squaler wrote: anyone read
squaler
Absolutely brilliant. Are we sure Friedman doesn't post on here?
Jano Charbel wrote: After
Jano Charbel
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/337515
Ahram online: Egypt workers
Ahram online: Egypt workers lay down demands at new trade union conference
Occupied Cairo: The post-revolutionary road
from the g
from the g liveblog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1jnh8wo49c&feature=player_embedded
Video just posted to YouTube appears to be from inside the state security HQ in Alexandria, showing mounds of shredded documents and some of the protesters who stormed the building.
Al-Jazeera also has an eyewitness to the siege of the state security building in Alexandria:
"People are still there, the state security forces are still inside, surrounded by the army. There's probably hundreds and thousands of people here now, in the building ... [the army] is also saying they have orders to arrest [the state security officers]," but say they can't do so until they are able to take them out of the building safely, the eyewitness says.
The clashes broke out earlier this evening, with the eyewitness reporting seeing Molotov cocktails thrown from the building and ammunition fired.
Today protesters stormed and
Today protesters stormed and captured state security's HQ in Nasr City in Cairo. They discovered all kinds of documents, secret cells, torture chambers etc.
Edit: a version of the event from Egyptian Chronicles: http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/night-capital-of-hell-fell-down.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+EgyptianChronicles+(Egyptian+chronicles)
Egypt: The day the secrets
Egypt: The day the secrets were revealed (Global Voices)
http://twitter.com/#!/search?
http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23amndawla
havent found news on it but havent looked hard... on the net there are messages though about people being stuck inbetween thugs and military at the ministry of interior HQ... seems many have escaped but some cant get out, others are being pushed around but regrouping in tahrir I've read.
AJE: fearing leaked #SS
AJE: fearing leaked #SS #AmnDawla documents in past 2 days, #USA #Obama sends Defence Secretary Robert Gates to #Egypt http://bit.ly/f3wnjk
Meanwhile it appears that
Meanwhile it appears that media sources have got so bored with reporting that the Egyptian stock exchange has still not re-opened, that no-one has reported that yesterdays' deadline has passed and still no opening.
The only up to date (yesterday) mention I could find was this
MENAFN.com
seems some proper disgusting
seems some proper disgusting things happened today to the intl womens day demo in cairo. looks like it built up into a brawl/stampede vs a counter demo of men... women say they were repeatedly groped etc.
also I saw on twitter 1 copt killed today in clashes vs muslims, though later people were tweeting that a copt demo entered tahrir to general applause... and that they are chanting together eed wahda (one hand)... yeah didn't see it in the news though
also some tweets from #tahrir in the last hour
The protesters in #Tahrir square are preparing to DEFEND themselves against a second attack by thugs #Jan25 #Egypt
Groups of thugs yelling and screaming armed with pipes and stones heading towards #tahrir from bab el louq. Mltry police doing nothing
http://www.arabawy.org/2011/03/09/jan25-video-thugs-attack-tahrir-revolutionaries/ Video of thugs attacking #Tahrir
Around 20 lunatics throwing Molotovs at #tahrir protestors but not reaching #Jan25
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/08/egypts_syndicalist_future
On yesterday's attack on
On yesterday's attack on protestors in Tahrir
AJE: Clashes erupt in Cairo's Tahrir
You know you've reached a
You know you've reached a certain stage when the dictats of the government are justified in the name of fighting the counter-revolution.
Egyptian Chronicles: These men are dangerous on the revolution
* Statement from Egyptian Cabinet, including statement of standing against the counter-revolution (Arabic) here.
Al Ahram: Why does the
Al Ahram: Why does the counter-revolution target women and Copts?
Quote: * Statement from
lol @ counter-revolution:
ocelot wrote: You know you've
ocelot
That blog you linked buys into this line of reasoning, which is not so much surprising as revealing about the nature of the 'revolution':
What the communiqué identifies as counter-revolution is first of all strikes. These don't have to be only from workers, it can also be within the security forces (like in Algeria). These do effect national unity, which is after all the slogan used by protesters on Tahrir square.
There is also nothing surprising about the fact that the government labels religious tensions counter-revolutionary, and that protesters agree with that; again, the harmony between Copts and Muslims on Tahrir square was under the banner of national unity. In effect the religious bloodshed is harmful to the national unity (I don't think these are part of a Machiavellian plot of the state).
Quote: again, the harmony
That may be so, though I am not at all sure about the role of state security in all this.... still, I'd rather see unity between people from different religious background, than violence between Copts and Muslims. Whether security forces are instigating the violence or not, these clashes undermine workers' potential strength much more than they undermine 'national unity'. And they give state forces all kinds of excuses and credibility to restore 'order' and pose as 'friends of harmony'. They may or may not have a hand in this, but they certainly profit from it.
It's the gift that keeps on
It's the gift that keeps on giving
AA: Opening of Egyptian Bourse postponed - again
The constitutional amendment referendum is due this Saturday 19th. Army, NDP establishment, the MB and the Salafis are for a Yes vote, Copts, liberals, leftists etc. are for a No.
AA: Will Egypt vote 'Yes' or 'No' to constitutional amendments?
Jano Charbel: New era for
Jano Charbel: New era for Egyptian trade unions
AA: Army violently disperses
AA: Army violently disperses new Copts' protest
AA: Suez Cement Group trade
AA: Suez Cement Group trade unionists attacked by thugs
How big were they, again?
Interesting question... AA:
Interesting question...
AA: Egypt's bourse: Much ado about nothing?
Quote: Post-Mubarak Egypt
- from UPI.
- from here.
Samotnaf
Samotnaf
This is a side-issue, I agreed with the main thrust of the article, but that particular argument needs to be watched out for. It's a lazy market fundamentalist argument - because markets are an efficient mechanism for balancing supply and demand, therefore it follows that... the recent hike in food prices is due to an increasing mismatch of supply and demand.
In fact, not necessarily so. There is a more complex story around the recent hikes in food prices. I've been meaning to write on this, on a political level for some time. But in the meantime, there are a couple of good critical sources from a liberal, specific issue perspective.
First is Frederick Kaufman's "The Food Bubble" (pdf) article for Harper's last year.
Then there are the resources that the World Development Movement have put up in support of their "make the government stop evil capitalists, now!" campaign around this issue. While you may consider the form of their demands to be hopeless, the educational information about the issue is useful (if, limited).
Long interview on background
Long interview on background of and prospects for this year's events; http://libcom.org/library/revolt-egypt-hazem-kandil
"Clashes between protesters
"Clashes between protesters and security forces engulfed Cairo once again on Tuesday night, as the fiercest street battles since the fall of Hosni Mubarak left dozens injured."
From today's Guardian. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/29/egypt-battle-tahir-square-tear-gas
Carrying on today - pretty
Carrying on today - pretty large scale by the looks of it:
Al Ahram: Live updates
edit: add
Gigi Ibrahim's account of last night
Guardian live blog
which will no doubt be giving the cops something to worry about
edit2: like this in fact (from Al Ahram live blog)
Guardian: Quote: 11.08am:
Guardian:
Prompt, but unsurprising response from the authorities.
Guardian/AMAY: Quote: 1.16pm:
Guardian/AMAY:
Sheesh.
meanwhile, earlier:
(from AA)
Guess someone decided the Zamalek and Ahly fans would be better off in the stadium tonight. Quite what happens after the match may be interesting.
Quote: OVER 1, 000 WOUNDED
from here
- here.
Quote: A key youth group,
- here.
http://www.jadaliyya.com/page
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/2041/egypt_the-struggle-continues
Large protests have been
Large protests have been called for the coming Friday. From friends I heard that the clashes last week were full on. Maybe the lull is over now?
Daily News Egypt
Daily News Egypt
http://thedailynewsegypt.com/human-a-civil-rights/workers-demos-intensify-during-first-half-of-2011.html
Quote: Riots in Egypt after
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/5238899/Riots-in-Egypt-after-court-releases-police
Quote: Hundreds of Egyptian
from here.
Some more info I got from
Some more info I got from friends in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood will apparently turn out for the Friday protests (tomorrow). They've been thrown out of demos in Alexandria before, and (maybe I read it in this thread; can't remember where I get some of the news now) have tried to broker "peace" between the security forces and relatives of those that lost their lives during the February uprising. So it will be interesting to see how they're received in Tahrir.
I also heard rumours about the 6th April Youth Movement trying to control protests, stopping folks from marching at the HQ of Amn Dawla (state security). That movement are the liberal, affluent youth. I would expect that sort of behaviour from the Trots (who btw, have not operated at all like the SWP. See the libcom interview with Jano for some details).
Al Ahram Live
Al Ahram Live blog
Odd curio. Time magazine blogger evokes Marx and declares Tantawi regime 'Bonapartist'
Marx, Bonaparte and the Egyptian Revolution: Another Friday in Tahrir Square
Quote: "Our revolution
- http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/index.php?action=news&id=19713&title=Egypt+mass+demo+target+new+rulers
Jano Charbel wrote: Around
Jano Charbel
http://she2i2.blogspot.com/2011/07/photos-july-8-tahrir-sq-protests.html (with pics)
Quote: Tens of thousands of
- here.
Quote: Egypt's military junta
- here.
Nothing new, but , speaking
Nothing new, but , speaking for myself, I missed this from Sunday:
- here. (bolded emphases mine)
Apart from continuing mass
Apart from continuing mass demonstrations (Tahrir Square continues to be massively occupied), the following is NOT good news from Egypt this morning:
(here)Any further information about/interpretation of this or of its potential consequence?
Likely bedouins stepping up
Likely bedouins stepping up their campaign against the state from what I've heard. There's been violence between the bedouns and the police for years. Post-february it seems like they've ratcheted up their anti-govt actions. Still, it might be a completely different group. Still, I don't think anyone in Egypt apart from the usual suspect thinking this is an issue. Both gas deals have been very unpopular among the shaab.
Khawaga - thanks for the
Khawaga - thanks for the clarification.
More about today:
- here
And this:
- here.
another comment by j. beinin
another comment by j. beinin on suez:
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/2116/revolution-and-repression-on-the-banks-of-the-suez
Interesting informative link,
Interesting informative link, subprole - especially these bits (I'm putting it here partly because on my computer the print on your link is painfully small and I caqn't enlarge it):
That was a really interesting
That was a really interesting piece, thanks subprole. Beinin really knows his stuff on Egypt.
Quote: Egypt purges security
http://ww4report.com/node/10125
Early retirement! - that'll show 'em.......!
Quote: Protesters end sit-in
http://thedailynewsegypt.com/egypt/protesters-end-sit-in-near-suez-canal-gather-at-el-arbaein.html
Quote: Cairo- Protesters
http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201107161759-cro-ren1060-tensions_between_crowd_and_ruling_military_mount_in_egypt
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-ml-egypt-an-8-life,0,6707998.story
A few critical bits and
A few critical bits and pieces about April 6th Youth here, and implicitly some aspects of its reformism and political mentality:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/egypt-social-media-activist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
etc.etc.etc.